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Dunno if any of you know but NTL have introduced a 1 gigabyte limit on downloaded data per month...
Seeing as a majority of you probably don't sit there all the time downloading things, you won't be affected but for people who do, they're coming out with all the crap that they've been conned and that they are gonna sue NTL for not giving them 'unlimited' broadband like they quoted...
It's not really a month, I just wanted to worry you! It's actually a-gig-a-day!
People don't realise that they don't have an arguement against this, they can't report NTL to trading standards because it allows them to do it in the contract and it's all legal...
Online gaming too, people seem to be saying that this uses massive amounts of bandwidth and that they can't play anymore because of the limits! I've got a 128k line and not only do I get pings of about 18, if anybody can get near a gigabyte of data a day just by playing games, I'll be surprised...
Quote from some site:
"If you are on a 12 month contract
They can't hold you to contract, they have moved the goal posts!
They advertised it as "unlimited" and this is clearly a limit and an unreasonable one at that."
Basically they were saying that NTL could change their contracts, so could we by not paying!
Also, most people on their little forums seem to believe that reporting NTL to trading standards is gonna help because they have broken advertsing laws...
Funny how the person on the site has changed all of what they said yesterday after receiving many complaints telling him that he was completely wrong! Boasting that he had complained to all the authorities about how NTL broke the contract and how they were falsely advertising...
He's changed it all now after realising how much of a prat he was making out of himself!
1 gigabyte a day is an awfully high amount of data to be downloading, EVERY DAY! People say that they have to upgrade Linux which is often 1.5 gig at a time, are they trying to say that this happens every day?
Also, wouldn't your PC fill up after a while if you were downloading updates to software all the time? You can't burn the updates to a disk, maybe the download files...
I've got no problem with what they are doing, BT have already done it by limiting their service and BTGenie also limited their 'unlimited free text' service to 300 a month...
Still though, people continue to complain, it was offered as a 'residential' service when they got it and by continuously downloading, they weren't acting as it was stated in the terms and conditions and limits had to be introduced because people were abusing the service...
All 'unlimited' packages have catches, Freeola's catch in the T&C is that bandwidth is unlimited until it starts to have a dramatic effect on the speed of the server and other people's sites...
Finally, when people are told of the miseries of living in Australia and how they have crappy limits, these people start swearing and being offensive to them because the Aussies should 'stand up for themselves!'
'If people abuse the service, the service abuses them'
Seeing as a majority of you probably don't sit there all the time downloading things, you won't be affected but for people who do, they're coming out with all the crap that they've been conned and that they are gonna sue NTL for not giving them 'unlimited' broadband like they quoted...
It's not really a month, I just wanted to worry you! It's actually a-gig-a-day!
People don't realise that they don't have an arguement against this, they can't report NTL to trading standards because it allows them to do it in the contract and it's all legal...
Online gaming too, people seem to be saying that this uses massive amounts of bandwidth and that they can't play anymore because of the limits! I've got a 128k line and not only do I get pings of about 18, if anybody can get near a gigabyte of data a day just by playing games, I'll be surprised...
Quote from some site:
"If you are on a 12 month contract
They can't hold you to contract, they have moved the goal posts!
They advertised it as "unlimited" and this is clearly a limit and an unreasonable one at that."
Basically they were saying that NTL could change their contracts, so could we by not paying!
Also, most people on their little forums seem to believe that reporting NTL to trading standards is gonna help because they have broken advertsing laws...
Funny how the person on the site has changed all of what they said yesterday after receiving many complaints telling him that he was completely wrong! Boasting that he had complained to all the authorities about how NTL broke the contract and how they were falsely advertising...
He's changed it all now after realising how much of a prat he was making out of himself!
1 gigabyte a day is an awfully high amount of data to be downloading, EVERY DAY! People say that they have to upgrade Linux which is often 1.5 gig at a time, are they trying to say that this happens every day?
Also, wouldn't your PC fill up after a while if you were downloading updates to software all the time? You can't burn the updates to a disk, maybe the download files...
I've got no problem with what they are doing, BT have already done it by limiting their service and BTGenie also limited their 'unlimited free text' service to 300 a month...
Still though, people continue to complain, it was offered as a 'residential' service when they got it and by continuously downloading, they weren't acting as it was stated in the terms and conditions and limits had to be introduced because people were abusing the service...
All 'unlimited' packages have catches, Freeola's catch in the T&C is that bandwidth is unlimited until it starts to have a dramatic effect on the speed of the server and other people's sites...
Finally, when people are told of the miseries of living in Australia and how they have crappy limits, these people start swearing and being offensive to them because the Aussies should 'stand up for themselves!'
'If people abuse the service, the service abuses them'
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They're gonna increase the bandwidth for 1mb users now according to an 'employee' who posted on a forum...
They put this limit on as a guideline, there is NO cap!
If you go over it, then you won't have your connection cut off!
They just want you to try and keep your usage below that limit, you're not gonna get cut off for braking it a few times, just they don't want you to continuously download over that limit...
It may even be increased to 2 gig soon from what I've read...
Just a question, 'Do you go over 1 gig EVERY day?'
They put this limit on as a guideline, there is NO cap!
If you go over it, then you won't have your connection cut off!
They just want you to try and keep your usage below that limit, you're not gonna get cut off for braking it a few times, just they don't want you to continuously download over that limit...
It may even be increased to 2 gig soon from what I've read...
Just a question, 'Do you go over 1 gig EVERY day?'
You're a twit ph1ll1p if you're trying to defend NTLs actions. Were I to have a 1Mb/s connection, I could exhaust my days bandwidth in a little over two hours. Hardly going to attract people to upgrade is it; "sure it's fast, but if you run it like that for 8 hours a fortnight you get cut off". And what do NTL do when BlueYonder and BT up the ante to 2Mb/s? 4Mb/s? You can already get 8Mb/s connections in parts of Asia, in two years time when they're available in this country are NTL seriously going to expect anyone to want to upgrade to a service you can't use at full speed for more than 15 minutes a day?
Put it this way: if Intel started selling chips that overheated if you did intensive computing for more than two hours, would anyone buy them?
The blow would be softer if NTL were any good to start with. 12 months ago when I first got my 128K connection in this area it was fabulously fast, with a 24 hour helpline should something go wrong. Since then NTL have gone to backrupcy and back. Recently my broadband connection has been absolutely f***ing appalling - pings of 25 seconds, MSN disconnecting every 5 minutes because it thinks the world's gone dead. Phoning NTL last night, I was on hold for *80 MINUTES*, and when I finally got answered 5 minutes before their helpline shut, I was told "I'm sorry, I can only speak to the account holder", which is blatantly incorrect. NTL must employ about 10 McDonalds rejects to man their national phonelines, as every single person I've ever spoken to from that company had no clue as to what my problem was, or how to do their job properly. Advice from one advisor often contradicts advice from another, and it took six months of repeatedly calling them "Can you get the second phone line disconnected? We're still being charged for it" before one of them realised that whoever had done the disconnection back in May had forgotten to cancel the line rental charge.
I find it difficult to defend or recommend NTL in any way, and the only reason I won't jump to ADSL tomorrow is because I've also being royally fked over by BT in the past as well. Are all service providers on a secret mission to f*** their customers over?
Put it this way: if Intel started selling chips that overheated if you did intensive computing for more than two hours, would anyone buy them?
The blow would be softer if NTL were any good to start with. 12 months ago when I first got my 128K connection in this area it was fabulously fast, with a 24 hour helpline should something go wrong. Since then NTL have gone to backrupcy and back. Recently my broadband connection has been absolutely f***ing appalling - pings of 25 seconds, MSN disconnecting every 5 minutes because it thinks the world's gone dead. Phoning NTL last night, I was on hold for *80 MINUTES*, and when I finally got answered 5 minutes before their helpline shut, I was told "I'm sorry, I can only speak to the account holder", which is blatantly incorrect. NTL must employ about 10 McDonalds rejects to man their national phonelines, as every single person I've ever spoken to from that company had no clue as to what my problem was, or how to do their job properly. Advice from one advisor often contradicts advice from another, and it took six months of repeatedly calling them "Can you get the second phone line disconnected? We're still being charged for it" before one of them realised that whoever had done the disconnection back in May had forgotten to cancel the line rental charge.
I find it difficult to defend or recommend NTL in any way, and the only reason I won't jump to ADSL tomorrow is because I've also being royally fked over by BT in the past as well. Are all service providers on a secret mission to f*** their customers over?
ERm! im gonna be a regualar soon.
Turbonutter wrote:
> I think they should enforce this with a tollerant view, so the
> connection isn't automatically cut off at 1gig, but if people go over
> 1 gig a day regularly then they can start enforcing it.
You can break it 2 times in any 14 day period, after that, they'll moan at you...
So as long as you don't go over the limit constantly, you'll have no problem...
> I think they should enforce this with a tollerant view, so the
> connection isn't automatically cut off at 1gig, but if people go over
> 1 gig a day regularly then they can start enforcing it.
You can break it 2 times in any 14 day period, after that, they'll moan at you...
So as long as you don't go over the limit constantly, you'll have no problem...
Lol its crazy i hope Blueyonder dont do it cos i'm paying for their full service.
Depends, from a decent server I can do 1gb in under 3 hours - for a game like neocron, where the client download is 1.4gb itself, that limit is going to interfere. The main problem people have is that it used to be quite clearly stated in NTL's faq that there was /no/ limit on how much data could be downloaded, many people signed up, and now this has been changed.
Gaming is an issue, actually, with Xbox live - this uses a total of about 3mb/minute just for game data. That's a total of 5 1/2 hours play in a day - unlikely just for gaming perhaps (although not unheard of), but what if you want to do anything else? Just browsing webpages, downloading music/videos, a combination of all these things could add up fast alongside the Xbox..
I do burn most everything I download to cds, several gigabytes of executables on a stack over there, so space isn't generally an issue. I do digital video work, lots of which is tranferred online, and I wont pretend I'm completely saintly and never touch anything illegal either, which is obviously going to use a lot. Even cutting out any unscrupulous downloads, it's a limit I can certainly push on a few days - especially with game demos anywhere for 80mb to 1.5gb..
I believe they said somewhere that this is enforced on the third time you break this limit in a month?
Gaming is an issue, actually, with Xbox live - this uses a total of about 3mb/minute just for game data. That's a total of 5 1/2 hours play in a day - unlikely just for gaming perhaps (although not unheard of), but what if you want to do anything else? Just browsing webpages, downloading music/videos, a combination of all these things could add up fast alongside the Xbox..
I do burn most everything I download to cds, several gigabytes of executables on a stack over there, so space isn't generally an issue. I do digital video work, lots of which is tranferred online, and I wont pretend I'm completely saintly and never touch anything illegal either, which is obviously going to use a lot. Even cutting out any unscrupulous downloads, it's a limit I can certainly push on a few days - especially with game demos anywhere for 80mb to 1.5gb..
I believe they said somewhere that this is enforced on the third time you break this limit in a month?
I dunno, 1gig a day is a pretty big con. That's only 16% of your daily download capacity, Sure I mean, I can't see myself downloading more than a gig *every day*, but there are certainly circumstances in which I could see myself wanting to download up to 6 gigs in a 24 hour period.
I think they should enforce this with a tollerant view, so the connection isn't automatically cut off at 1gig, but if people go over 1 gig a day regularly then they can start enforcing it.
I think they should enforce this with a tollerant view, so the connection isn't automatically cut off at 1gig, but if people go over 1 gig a day regularly then they can start enforcing it.
But i thought you said it was unlimited.
NTL haven't breahed any contracts...
They can put a limit on the service whenever they want to...
Same way that Freeola could decide to put a cap on the monthly bandwidth...
They can put a limit on the service whenever they want to...
Same way that Freeola could decide to put a cap on the monthly bandwidth...
yeh,when i was on bt openworld ,dial up they introduced a 120 hours per motnh thing without telling me. i decided to leave. even tho a gig a day is plenty its still breachs contract dont it.
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