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So, this morning whilst watching Sky News they ran the piece about the lack of support from France, Germany, Russia and China. My Mum - who I sadly admit does read the Daily Mail - said;
"Well that's the end of that, they can't do it without allies."
Most of you know me, and what I was likely to say. I pointed out that America had us, and could do it themselves if they had to, and have said that all along. She then said the greatest bit of Daily Mail thinking yet;
"Well if there's a war they'll start calling people your age up, how'd you like that ?"
At that I let it drop, and because she'd gone to work. Me ? I'm thinking working as a classroom assistant surounded by the appalingly behaved kids they have where she works is finally getting to her.
Even so, the idea of call ups for the Gulf is slightly ridiculous. Why ? Well here's Belldandy's 5 point reasoning on this;
1* It's going to be an American led operation, sure, we've put a quarter of the army in and other assets, but the tip of the spear is the USA at this point. In a non UN campagin the USA will want to take the major places itself where possible, thus absorbing the brunt of the casualties.
2* So far only specialist units have gone out there, reserves are being used for non combatant roles like signals, engineering e.t.c, but the other units are commando (45?), the desert rats armoured division e.t.c. Not regular units, like what happened in the Gulf War. Elite style units take less casualties as they are not used in equal odds fights. Same goes for american deployments.
3* Any campaign will be begun by air strikes, suggested at 1 week minimum.
4* If casualties did spiral to the point where this was suggested then there isn't public support for it anyway, especially not in the UK. Over half the nation doesn't even want to go there let alone send a generation off to war their. In this scenario I think one of two things most likely; a withdrawal from Iraq, or the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Think about it, a situation where our forces are getting massacred this badly would have to be pretty dire, to tip the balance I really do believe that, in the face of mass casualties and a need to quickly win, we'd use the weapons.
5* Mass casualties would, unless WMDs are used, result from a prolonged war. Does anyone seriously think that, in a full on attack, Iraq can hold out any better than last time ? I don't, even if they go urban they ar finished.
So there you have it. Feel free to reply, point by point, to it, or ignore it, or something. Remember it's all about the oil kids..*sigh* Incidentally, again, Sky News played some footage from a protest about the possible war in Iraq, and there were some people from the Fire Brigade with their messages painted on stop the war coalition sign. What has better pay e.t.c got to do with Iraq ? Er...nothing. If the firefighters want to play silly b&ggers like that then let them, but don't be surprised if they lose more support all the time.
~~Belldandy~~
"Well that's the end of that, they can't do it without allies."
Most of you know me, and what I was likely to say. I pointed out that America had us, and could do it themselves if they had to, and have said that all along. She then said the greatest bit of Daily Mail thinking yet;
"Well if there's a war they'll start calling people your age up, how'd you like that ?"
At that I let it drop, and because she'd gone to work. Me ? I'm thinking working as a classroom assistant surounded by the appalingly behaved kids they have where she works is finally getting to her.
Even so, the idea of call ups for the Gulf is slightly ridiculous. Why ? Well here's Belldandy's 5 point reasoning on this;
1* It's going to be an American led operation, sure, we've put a quarter of the army in and other assets, but the tip of the spear is the USA at this point. In a non UN campagin the USA will want to take the major places itself where possible, thus absorbing the brunt of the casualties.
2* So far only specialist units have gone out there, reserves are being used for non combatant roles like signals, engineering e.t.c, but the other units are commando (45?), the desert rats armoured division e.t.c. Not regular units, like what happened in the Gulf War. Elite style units take less casualties as they are not used in equal odds fights. Same goes for american deployments.
3* Any campaign will be begun by air strikes, suggested at 1 week minimum.
4* If casualties did spiral to the point where this was suggested then there isn't public support for it anyway, especially not in the UK. Over half the nation doesn't even want to go there let alone send a generation off to war their. In this scenario I think one of two things most likely; a withdrawal from Iraq, or the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Think about it, a situation where our forces are getting massacred this badly would have to be pretty dire, to tip the balance I really do believe that, in the face of mass casualties and a need to quickly win, we'd use the weapons.
5* Mass casualties would, unless WMDs are used, result from a prolonged war. Does anyone seriously think that, in a full on attack, Iraq can hold out any better than last time ? I don't, even if they go urban they ar finished.
So there you have it. Feel free to reply, point by point, to it, or ignore it, or something. Remember it's all about the oil kids..*sigh* Incidentally, again, Sky News played some footage from a protest about the possible war in Iraq, and there were some people from the Fire Brigade with their messages painted on stop the war coalition sign. What has better pay e.t.c got to do with Iraq ? Er...nothing. If the firefighters want to play silly b&ggers like that then let them, but don't be surprised if they lose more support all the time.
~~Belldandy~~
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I agree the whole voting thing is scary, and is completely wrong.
I guess that TV companies are putting out what people want, or at least making people *think* that's what they want.
Changing subject slightly, have you seen that advert for the magazine HEAT? Stay with me here.
Bascially, it's a woman in an office showing off that she's got all the gossip about everything, but everyone just completely ignores her, and she looks like a right sad berk.
I wonder if that's what the magazine people really think about their readers...
I guess that TV companies are putting out what people want, or at least making people *think* that's what they want.
Changing subject slightly, have you seen that advert for the magazine HEAT? Stay with me here.
Bascially, it's a woman in an office showing off that she's got all the gossip about everything, but everyone just completely ignores her, and she looks like a right sad berk.
I wonder if that's what the magazine people really think about their readers...
If you watch soap operas and find yourself talking about the characters to other people as if they are real "Oo, Steve last night!","I know, I think Kate should dump him!" - then yes, you are a retard.
And my point was that more people watch that show than voted. That is scary and indicative of where general interest lay. Who cares what poptart is sleeping with who, what does it matter what colour dress Carol Vorderman wore to the tv awards?
Why are there even awards for this drek? Is it an achievement to act out social conditioning to millions of slack-faced primates each night?
And my point was that more people watch that show than voted. That is scary and indicative of where general interest lay. Who cares what poptart is sleeping with who, what does it matter what colour dress Carol Vorderman wore to the tv awards?
Why are there even awards for this drek? Is it an achievement to act out social conditioning to millions of slack-faced primates each night?
Goatboy wrote:
> Look at the viewing figures for pieces of s##t like Eastenders.
> Millions of people, MILLIONS of people tune in and watch these
> retarded morality plays instead of taking an interest in their family
> and friends.
I watch Eastenders.
Are you saying that everyone who watches Eastenders is a couch potato who takes absolutely no interest in anything?
I think that that view is slightly stereotypical, and more than a little harsh. It's all very well taking and interest and doing your bit. Taking an interest in World Affairs etc, but sometimes there is room for escapism.
There just seems to be rather a lot of it around recently...
> Look at the viewing figures for pieces of s##t like Eastenders.
> Millions of people, MILLIONS of people tune in and watch these
> retarded morality plays instead of taking an interest in their family
> and friends.
I watch Eastenders.
Are you saying that everyone who watches Eastenders is a couch potato who takes absolutely no interest in anything?
I think that that view is slightly stereotypical, and more than a little harsh. It's all very well taking and interest and doing your bit. Taking an interest in World Affairs etc, but sometimes there is room for escapism.
There just seems to be rather a lot of it around recently...
Bah.
That's the last time I come up with a load of **** to make you feel better.
That's the last time I come up with a load of **** to make you feel better.
I'm more than happy with my lot in life.
I'm recording an album. I've written 2 screenplays, 1 under option and have representation with an agent in LA. I'm S.G.A certified and currently seeking literary representation for a book I'm co-authoring.
I want for nothing in this life.
But that doesn't mean I don't think that we're retared, hateful and headed downwards at an impossible rate of knots.
I see this planet like Ed Harris at the end of The Abyss, falling through the darkness to god-knows-where and somehow I dont think we're going to be rescued by aliens.
I was watching The Blue Planet on DVD. We've explored 1% of the ocean, we know more about the moon than we do about our own sea and what may be below.
Yet do we pursue this knowledge? Do we take delight in knowing that there is still an entire world to discover? No, we're more interested in who Geri Halliwell is dating and wasn't it shocking when George Micheal was outed!
It's this relentless pursuit of stupidity that I dont understand, this lust for the mundane and pointless pieces of life that benefit nobody.
And it affects me.
Musically it hinders me, because the market is saturated with zombie pop acts. Labels want to concentrate on having 1, maybe 2, hits and moving on instead of putting out decent music. It's aimed at pre-teens with babysitting money. It's near-impossible to get labels to listen because the easy-money is there for 1-hit wonders. It's a rare thing that a band breaks through.
Last year...who? Coldplay...and...er...who else made it to large-scale success that wasn't a pop act?
Writing scripts it affects me because the trend is for mindless explosions and car-chases. Especially in this country, trying to get financed and produced is impossible. I had 32 rejections on a script with comments like "Needs guns" "I see a Vinnie Jones character here". It was only when I looked abroad that it got noticed.
It's this passion for stupidity and people's lack of courage in being inventive and original in life, thought and action that makes it so much harder for people that *dont* want to spend their lives watching Corrie and waiting for 5pm.
And that is why it annoys me and that is why I sincerely, on-my-knees-praying, hope to hope that we collapse in on ourselves and become a mindless, teeming glom of matter.
I'm recording an album. I've written 2 screenplays, 1 under option and have representation with an agent in LA. I'm S.G.A certified and currently seeking literary representation for a book I'm co-authoring.
I want for nothing in this life.
But that doesn't mean I don't think that we're retared, hateful and headed downwards at an impossible rate of knots.
I see this planet like Ed Harris at the end of The Abyss, falling through the darkness to god-knows-where and somehow I dont think we're going to be rescued by aliens.
I was watching The Blue Planet on DVD. We've explored 1% of the ocean, we know more about the moon than we do about our own sea and what may be below.
Yet do we pursue this knowledge? Do we take delight in knowing that there is still an entire world to discover? No, we're more interested in who Geri Halliwell is dating and wasn't it shocking when George Micheal was outed!
It's this relentless pursuit of stupidity that I dont understand, this lust for the mundane and pointless pieces of life that benefit nobody.
And it affects me.
Musically it hinders me, because the market is saturated with zombie pop acts. Labels want to concentrate on having 1, maybe 2, hits and moving on instead of putting out decent music. It's aimed at pre-teens with babysitting money. It's near-impossible to get labels to listen because the easy-money is there for 1-hit wonders. It's a rare thing that a band breaks through.
Last year...who? Coldplay...and...er...who else made it to large-scale success that wasn't a pop act?
Writing scripts it affects me because the trend is for mindless explosions and car-chases. Especially in this country, trying to get financed and produced is impossible. I had 32 rejections on a script with comments like "Needs guns" "I see a Vinnie Jones character here". It was only when I looked abroad that it got noticed.
It's this passion for stupidity and people's lack of courage in being inventive and original in life, thought and action that makes it so much harder for people that *dont* want to spend their lives watching Corrie and waiting for 5pm.
And that is why it annoys me and that is why I sincerely, on-my-knees-praying, hope to hope that we collapse in on ourselves and become a mindless, teeming glom of matter.
OK, now a more serious reply.
Forget the politics. All of it. All the foreign policies, all the potential for conflict, all the poverty, all the disease, all of it. Unless your chosen profession is to be a politician, then the vast majority of it doesn't really concern you, and you have essentially no influence over it anyway.
The world has become an opportunists market. Sure, it's not filled with love and human tenderness which is what some people would like it to be, myself included, but instead, the world is abound with potential possibilities.
Tomorrow you could win the lottery. You could join an acting agency and get a part as an extra in some film, which some of my friends have managed. Where that can lead, who is to say?
You could write a book, or a short story. Submit something to somewhere and whirlwind your way to national fame.
You could be walking along the street and save a kid from being run down by a car, and be a hero. You could suddenly get that dream recording contract, bumping you into the charts and giving you worldwide recognition.
You could move to Singapore, become an ex-patriot like so many do for the single reason that "the women are small, light, and easy to throw about during sex". You could live like a King on a relative pittance and get laid by doe-eyed beauties every night.
You could move to Australia, learn to scuba and swim with sharks, recording your exploits for the viewing pleasure of the National Geographic audience.
The world isn't a great place. It's not filled with grandeur, the brotherhood of all men, or even the idiotic impossibility which is "common sense". The world is really like a dream. Too ludicrous to be real, too bad to believe yet too good to be true.
It's only really that bad when you try to look at it in a bigger scale than you're responsible for.
Forget the politics. All of it. All the foreign policies, all the potential for conflict, all the poverty, all the disease, all of it. Unless your chosen profession is to be a politician, then the vast majority of it doesn't really concern you, and you have essentially no influence over it anyway.
The world has become an opportunists market. Sure, it's not filled with love and human tenderness which is what some people would like it to be, myself included, but instead, the world is abound with potential possibilities.
Tomorrow you could win the lottery. You could join an acting agency and get a part as an extra in some film, which some of my friends have managed. Where that can lead, who is to say?
You could write a book, or a short story. Submit something to somewhere and whirlwind your way to national fame.
You could be walking along the street and save a kid from being run down by a car, and be a hero. You could suddenly get that dream recording contract, bumping you into the charts and giving you worldwide recognition.
You could move to Singapore, become an ex-patriot like so many do for the single reason that "the women are small, light, and easy to throw about during sex". You could live like a King on a relative pittance and get laid by doe-eyed beauties every night.
You could move to Australia, learn to scuba and swim with sharks, recording your exploits for the viewing pleasure of the National Geographic audience.
The world isn't a great place. It's not filled with grandeur, the brotherhood of all men, or even the idiotic impossibility which is "common sense". The world is really like a dream. Too ludicrous to be real, too bad to believe yet too good to be true.
It's only really that bad when you try to look at it in a bigger scale than you're responsible for.
No, but thanks for proving my point.
"I am from the planet Obo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto."
Whilst I'd love to agree, I just find my disillusioned more and more. And it's not "sitting back during WW1 and WW2", I am not guilty of those events and will not be made to feel so.
Short of getting a rifle and blasting holes in people, there is nothing you or I can do, whatever our intentions.
The more I look around this stupid, infantile planet - the less reason I see for bothering to stop global destruction.
And this is just me speaking for myself here, not trying to impose on anyone else's views or thoughts.
Not a day goes by that I don't read about another pointless murder of somebody. Countries are doing their best to blow themselves and others up. Palastine/Isreal. The West Vs The East...whatever. Go Saddam, go Bush, go Kim. Please, nuke it.
We are a petty, mindless species as a whole and certainly a sinkhole of intellect as a country.
Look at the viewing figures for pieces of s##t like Eastenders. Millions of people, MILLIONS of people tune in and watch these retarded morality plays instead of taking an interest in their family and friends.
Literacy is falling year after year, you can see it on these forums.
Teachers complain of class sizes, a mate that trained as a teacher gave up because of the unreasonable pressure.
Kids are violent and disrespectful these days because their stupid fat parents are more interested in voting on Big Brother than they are with educating their children.
You see gangs of these spastic, feral kids prowling after dark whilst parents sit indoors and scream at each other or beat the kids because they got in the way of Who Wants to Win a Million? or whatever the latest distraction from life is.
Nobody cares. Nobody is interested in trying to further their own minds or boundaries. Those that are? Mocked. We live in an age where calling somebody "Einstein" is usually an insult. People that take an interest in books and study are labelled "geeks", whilst zero-talent mediocrity-bound f##holes like Robbie Williams are idolised by millions - yet stem-cell research barely warrants a mention.
We are obsessed with idiocy. Celeb gossip magazines outsell newspapers. More people watch a soap opera each night than turned out to vote.
It's symptomatic of where we are headed in the future. It's a world of easy, immediate relief and satisfaction, nobody is interested in the long-haul benefits of learning stuff.
Harry Potter books is a prime example.
That sparked a world-wide craze amongst kids, for a book.
For a book.
Children became interested in literature again, indulged their interior playgrounds and created worlds like we used to. Now? Movie version available, dont worry about reading.
This planet is beyond retarded and it's rapidly trying to stuff it's own head up it's backside. George W Bush, the most powerful man in the world.
Couldn't even tell you who the foreign heads of state were in a recent interview.
Britney Spears is held as an icon of what we aspire to be.
A vacous lust-object with no discernible talent. She CANNOT sing by the way, Anastasia can sing. There is no competition. We live in an age where someone can become world famous for dressing like a schoolgirl in her debut video and inspiring dubious sexual fantasies amongst males.
You want to chase peadeophiles? Go arrest MTV, go arrest TATU, go arrest The Sun and other tabloids for making "Phwoar" comments about Charlotte Church when she was 14.
Chris Morris produces an intelligent, satirical programme about media hysteria and thousands upon thousands of drooling mongoloids get angry despite never having seen it.
Yet Pete Townsend and Matthew Kelly and John Leslie are villified in the press for what? What proof?
There isn't any, it's just tittle-tattle reproduced on a national scale and we lap it up like the spastic, dependant mongf##s we have become.
Theatre attendance is at an all-time low, yet Big Brother recieved thousands and thousands of contestant applications for their next series.
We are an anti-culture country. We seek the most base, common level of "entertainment" that requires we do nothing more than sit on a sofa watching a tv show and being told what is good and what is not.
You think today's music industry is s##t because of piracy and peer-to-peer?
No, it's going under because they pump out muzak. Simple, no-brainer sheet that turns our kids into non-thinking, vacous cow people that think McDonald's is a good meal, Robbie Williams is talented and that Davina Mcall belongs anywhere else but behind a counter in Top Shop.
I am ashamed of what this country and this planet has become.
A mindless, gurgling, helpless soft flabby retard baby that needs to be told what it likes and what it doesnt.
The sooner we fall off and fly into space the better.
Good ###ing christ I'm angry about where we have ended up as a species.
Short of getting a rifle and blasting holes in people, there is nothing you or I can do, whatever our intentions.
The more I look around this stupid, infantile planet - the less reason I see for bothering to stop global destruction.
And this is just me speaking for myself here, not trying to impose on anyone else's views or thoughts.
Not a day goes by that I don't read about another pointless murder of somebody. Countries are doing their best to blow themselves and others up. Palastine/Isreal. The West Vs The East...whatever. Go Saddam, go Bush, go Kim. Please, nuke it.
We are a petty, mindless species as a whole and certainly a sinkhole of intellect as a country.
Look at the viewing figures for pieces of s##t like Eastenders. Millions of people, MILLIONS of people tune in and watch these retarded morality plays instead of taking an interest in their family and friends.
Literacy is falling year after year, you can see it on these forums.
Teachers complain of class sizes, a mate that trained as a teacher gave up because of the unreasonable pressure.
Kids are violent and disrespectful these days because their stupid fat parents are more interested in voting on Big Brother than they are with educating their children.
You see gangs of these spastic, feral kids prowling after dark whilst parents sit indoors and scream at each other or beat the kids because they got in the way of Who Wants to Win a Million? or whatever the latest distraction from life is.
Nobody cares. Nobody is interested in trying to further their own minds or boundaries. Those that are? Mocked. We live in an age where calling somebody "Einstein" is usually an insult. People that take an interest in books and study are labelled "geeks", whilst zero-talent mediocrity-bound f##holes like Robbie Williams are idolised by millions - yet stem-cell research barely warrants a mention.
We are obsessed with idiocy. Celeb gossip magazines outsell newspapers. More people watch a soap opera each night than turned out to vote.
It's symptomatic of where we are headed in the future. It's a world of easy, immediate relief and satisfaction, nobody is interested in the long-haul benefits of learning stuff.
Harry Potter books is a prime example.
That sparked a world-wide craze amongst kids, for a book.
For a book.
Children became interested in literature again, indulged their interior playgrounds and created worlds like we used to. Now? Movie version available, dont worry about reading.
This planet is beyond retarded and it's rapidly trying to stuff it's own head up it's backside. George W Bush, the most powerful man in the world.
Couldn't even tell you who the foreign heads of state were in a recent interview.
Britney Spears is held as an icon of what we aspire to be.
A vacous lust-object with no discernible talent. She CANNOT sing by the way, Anastasia can sing. There is no competition. We live in an age where someone can become world famous for dressing like a schoolgirl in her debut video and inspiring dubious sexual fantasies amongst males.
You want to chase peadeophiles? Go arrest MTV, go arrest TATU, go arrest The Sun and other tabloids for making "Phwoar" comments about Charlotte Church when she was 14.
Chris Morris produces an intelligent, satirical programme about media hysteria and thousands upon thousands of drooling mongoloids get angry despite never having seen it.
Yet Pete Townsend and Matthew Kelly and John Leslie are villified in the press for what? What proof?
There isn't any, it's just tittle-tattle reproduced on a national scale and we lap it up like the spastic, dependant mongf##s we have become.
Theatre attendance is at an all-time low, yet Big Brother recieved thousands and thousands of contestant applications for their next series.
We are an anti-culture country. We seek the most base, common level of "entertainment" that requires we do nothing more than sit on a sofa watching a tv show and being told what is good and what is not.
You think today's music industry is s##t because of piracy and peer-to-peer?
No, it's going under because they pump out muzak. Simple, no-brainer sheet that turns our kids into non-thinking, vacous cow people that think McDonald's is a good meal, Robbie Williams is talented and that Davina Mcall belongs anywhere else but behind a counter in Top Shop.
I am ashamed of what this country and this planet has become.
A mindless, gurgling, helpless soft flabby retard baby that needs to be told what it likes and what it doesnt.
The sooner we fall off and fly into space the better.
Good ###ing christ I'm angry about where we have ended up as a species.
Personally, I think for the firefighters on 9/11, it was more a case of:
Jim: "I'm not going in there."
Bob: "Jimmy, the cameras are watching - you're on TV"
Jim: "I'm on TV?"
Bob: "Yeah, come on, it's not like the building is gonna fall down on our heads is it?"
Jim: "S'pose"
both run towards the building to do their job, while Jim also takes the time to stop in front of a cameraman and shout "hello mum".
The rest is history...
Jim: "I'm not going in there."
Bob: "Jimmy, the cameras are watching - you're on TV"
Jim: "I'm on TV?"
Bob: "Yeah, come on, it's not like the building is gonna fall down on our heads is it?"
Jim: "S'pose"
both run towards the building to do their job, while Jim also takes the time to stop in front of a cameraman and shout "hello mum".
The rest is history...
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