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Processor
AMD Athlon XP 2400 (2.0GHz)
Case
ATX 400W Alum Midi Tower (AMD/P4)
Motherboard
Asus A7V333 RAID Motherboard
RAM
512MB 333MHz DDR RAM
Hard Drive 1
Seagate 80GB Hard Drive 7,200RPM
CDRom 1
DVD-ROM Drive 16x Speed
CDRom 2
CD Re-Writer 48/12/40 BURN PROOF
Floppy Drive
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive
Graphic Card
128MB DDR GeForce4 Ti4400 AGP
PCI Card 1
Creative SndBlaster Audigy 2 Player
Operating System
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Monitor
17 inch monitor VL700/17 FST .27 70kHz MPR2
£1,088.54 inc VAT
Wihtout monitor is about £980 :o I could pay loads more for a less powerful dell..
I've decided a 400W one would make it more stable...
AMD Athlon XP 2400 (2.0GHz)
Case
ATX 400W Alum Midi Tower (AMD/P4)
Motherboard
Asus A7V333 RAID Motherboard
RAM
512MB 333MHz DDR RAM
Hard Drive 1
Seagate 80GB Hard Drive 7,200RPM
CDRom 1
DVD-ROM Drive 16x Speed
CDRom 2
CD Re-Writer 48/12/40 BURN PROOF
Floppy Drive
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive
Graphic Card
128MB DDR GeForce4 Ti4400 AGP
PCI Card 1
Creative SndBlaster Audigy 2 Player
Operating System
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Monitor
17 inch monitor VL700/17 FST .27 70kHz MPR2
£1,088.54 inc VAT
Wihtout monitor is about £980 :o I could pay loads more for a less powerful dell..
I've decided a 400W one would make it more stable...
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DeltaJava wrote:
> I've always been cautious over user controlled fans - I mean, think of
> the consequences if the fan controller knob was accidentally turned
> without the user knowing - it could fry the insides within seconds!!!
> Or maybe that's just being paranoid.
The fan only goes down so far. You can't turn it off completely, and even at its lowest level it cools the PSU well enough. The only time I have the fans turned up is if I'm doing something processor intensive, when I want the second fan to blow the hot air away from the CPU. But when I'm working I have an almost silent PC, which is incredibly pleasant after a couple of years of studying next to a small helicopter.
> I've always been cautious over user controlled fans - I mean, think of
> the consequences if the fan controller knob was accidentally turned
> without the user knowing - it could fry the insides within seconds!!!
> Or maybe that's just being paranoid.
The fan only goes down so far. You can't turn it off completely, and even at its lowest level it cools the PSU well enough. The only time I have the fans turned up is if I'm doing something processor intensive, when I want the second fan to blow the hot air away from the CPU. But when I'm working I have an almost silent PC, which is incredibly pleasant after a couple of years of studying next to a small helicopter.
I have quite a noisy one but hey... PS2's are the worse. The Gamecube one is quiet.
Miserableman wrote:
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
DeltaJava wrote:
> I've always been cautious over user controlled fans - I mean, think of
> the consequences if the fan controller knob was accidentally turned
> without the user knowing - it could fry the insides within seconds!!!
> Or maybe that's just being paranoid.
Yeah you are. You'd really notice and if you're sensible you'd set some alarms to warn you. And anyway, you'd have to be an idiot to get a baybus that allows you to actually turn your main cooling fan *off*.
> Anyway, somebody mentioned the nForce 2 chipset down the page - does
> anyone know if there's a mini-ATX version of the blighter coming out?
> I need one for a future PC I'm building.
(that was me)
I seriously doubt it.
> I've always been cautious over user controlled fans - I mean, think of
> the consequences if the fan controller knob was accidentally turned
> without the user knowing - it could fry the insides within seconds!!!
> Or maybe that's just being paranoid.
Yeah you are. You'd really notice and if you're sensible you'd set some alarms to warn you. And anyway, you'd have to be an idiot to get a baybus that allows you to actually turn your main cooling fan *off*.
> Anyway, somebody mentioned the nForce 2 chipset down the page - does
> anyone know if there's a mini-ATX version of the blighter coming out?
> I need one for a future PC I'm building.
(that was me)
I seriously doubt it.
Nope i play less graphically upto date games like UT2k3 but it still plays other games fine that doesnt depend on the CPU much.
But my old 500mhz would be alot worse....
But my old 500mhz would be alot worse....
Turbonutter wrote:
> Miserableman wrote:
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
>
> WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played
> UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
You clearly have never used a 1Ghz PC. I don't use a 1Ghz PC either - I foolishly pished away a load of money on an upgrade to an 1800XP, which has increased system performance precisely 0%, and made it a whole lot more unstable (due to sh*tty ABIT mobo). A 1Ghz PC can kick any Windows app around just as fast as anything you've got, and there are no games available today that won't run acceptably speedy on it.
That includes UT2K3. The point is, you must spend an absolute bloody fortune on your rig, but for what? Another 20fps in your favourite FPS, when it was already refreshing faster than your monitor can scan? Far too many people on the internet treat their PCs like a freudian object, and you my friend are one of them.
> Miserableman wrote:
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
>
> WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played
> UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
You clearly have never used a 1Ghz PC. I don't use a 1Ghz PC either - I foolishly pished away a load of money on an upgrade to an 1800XP, which has increased system performance precisely 0%, and made it a whole lot more unstable (due to sh*tty ABIT mobo). A 1Ghz PC can kick any Windows app around just as fast as anything you've got, and there are no games available today that won't run acceptably speedy on it.
That includes UT2K3. The point is, you must spend an absolute bloody fortune on your rig, but for what? Another 20fps in your favourite FPS, when it was already refreshing faster than your monitor can scan? Far too many people on the internet treat their PCs like a freudian object, and you my friend are one of them.
Miserableman wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
> Miserableman wrote:
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
>
> WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played
> UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
>
>
> You clearly have never used a 1Ghz PC. I don't use a 1Ghz PC either -
> I foolishly pished away a load of money on an upgrade to an 1800XP,
> which has increased system performance precisely 0%, and made it a
> whole lot more unstable (due to sh*tty ABIT mobo). A 1Ghz PC can kick
> any Windows app around just as fast as anything you've got, and there
> are no games available today that won't run acceptably speedy on it.
>
> That includes UT2K3. The point is, you must spend an absolute bloody
> fortune on your rig, but for what? Another 20fps in your favourite
> FPS, when it was already refreshing faster than your monitor can scan?
> Far too many people on the internet treat their PCs like a freudian
> object, and you my friend are one of them.
Dude, my mum's PC is a P3 1ghz and I hate it because when I use it it crawls. Word takes ages to load as does a lot of things. When I use a PC I want things to happen instantly, not to wait.
As for the FPS thing, well... you're a retard. UT2K3, which I play a lot, is severely CPU intensive. Even on my 1.85ghz XP2000 the framerate gets seriously choppy during Instagib. This is too slow, there's no way a 1ghz can even be remotely playable.
Another thing, do you do much 3D work? Stupid question, of course you don't. I render lots of stuff in Lightwave 3D and I can tell you a fast COU is REALLY useful. For example my background that I have at the moment takes about 17 minutes to render each frame on high quality. Tell me you don't need a fast CPU for that.
Bottom line: Companies make faster CPUs and people, yes even people who know abouw computers, buy them. Why? Because everyone wants to go faster.
> Turbonutter wrote:
> Miserableman wrote:
> §n][pe® wrote:
> Who would want to overclock.. o.O
>
> My sentiments exactly. Any processor above about 1000Mhz can do
> anything you want.
>
> WTF? I can see you don't do anything worthy on your PC. Ever played
> UT2K3 on your 1ghz wonder? That must crawl.
>
>
> You clearly have never used a 1Ghz PC. I don't use a 1Ghz PC either -
> I foolishly pished away a load of money on an upgrade to an 1800XP,
> which has increased system performance precisely 0%, and made it a
> whole lot more unstable (due to sh*tty ABIT mobo). A 1Ghz PC can kick
> any Windows app around just as fast as anything you've got, and there
> are no games available today that won't run acceptably speedy on it.
>
> That includes UT2K3. The point is, you must spend an absolute bloody
> fortune on your rig, but for what? Another 20fps in your favourite
> FPS, when it was already refreshing faster than your monitor can scan?
> Far too many people on the internet treat their PCs like a freudian
> object, and you my friend are one of them.
Dude, my mum's PC is a P3 1ghz and I hate it because when I use it it crawls. Word takes ages to load as does a lot of things. When I use a PC I want things to happen instantly, not to wait.
As for the FPS thing, well... you're a retard. UT2K3, which I play a lot, is severely CPU intensive. Even on my 1.85ghz XP2000 the framerate gets seriously choppy during Instagib. This is too slow, there's no way a 1ghz can even be remotely playable.
Another thing, do you do much 3D work? Stupid question, of course you don't. I render lots of stuff in Lightwave 3D and I can tell you a fast COU is REALLY useful. For example my background that I have at the moment takes about 17 minutes to render each frame on high quality. Tell me you don't need a fast CPU for that.
Bottom line: Companies make faster CPUs and people, yes even people who know abouw computers, buy them. Why? Because everyone wants to go faster.
For most people huge ammounts of speed and power aren't vital. My dad's got a 1.8Ghz pc and he mostly uses it for messing about in Photoshop and typing letters! Personally I do loads of video editing, 3D and visual effects, plus all the usual junk, so speed is a big deal - if you can reduce a few hours in rendering time it makes a lot of difference!!
Why do people buy Ferraris that can do 180mph, when the speed limit is 70?
Because they can.
Why do people buy Ferraris that can do 180mph, when the speed limit is 70?
Because they can.
Turbonutter wrote:
> Another thing, do you do much 3D work? Stupid question, of course you
> don't. I render lots of stuff in Lightwave 3D and I can tell you a
> fast COU is REALLY useful. For example my background that I have at
> the moment takes about 17 minutes to render each frame on high
> quality. Tell me you don't need a fast CPU for that.
Actually, my final year project is to modify an OpenGL space simulator, into which you can import 3DStudio spacecraft models (85,000 polygon Enterprise E looks swish :O) This was the primary reason for me upgrading from a 1Ghz Thunderbird/Geforce2 Pro to a 1800XP/Radeon 8500. My new computer renders better, but the amount of traffic streaming over the AGP bus (think Doom III uses a lot of textures? Try this simulator) crashes this crappy computer within 30 seconds. The moral of the story is not to buy anything with an ABIT or VIA sticker on it.
A friend of mine at IBM has 4 workstations with dual CPU/4GB memory in each, he breaks high-speed hard disks for a living. The only reason I upgraded from 256MB to 512MB was so I could open a couple of 400MB jpg's (I still couldn't). My point is that if you have a use for extra power, then by all means go get it, but mindlessly drooling over faster machines and better framerates is just paying people to take your money away. And as I've seen to my cost, a faster computer is not always a better computer.
I don't know what's wrong with your Mums PC - there's no discernable speed difference in Windows between my g/f's Athlon 850 and my 1800XP (and there's no speed difference between my 1800XP and a 3Ghz machine) they both do what they are told when they are told to. Hers struggles a bit with the latest games, but nothing unbearable.
Your bottom line is almost right: Companies make faster CPUs and people, yes even gullible nerds who get off over having the fastest widgets buy them. Why? Because people are stupid.
> Another thing, do you do much 3D work? Stupid question, of course you
> don't. I render lots of stuff in Lightwave 3D and I can tell you a
> fast COU is REALLY useful. For example my background that I have at
> the moment takes about 17 minutes to render each frame on high
> quality. Tell me you don't need a fast CPU for that.
Actually, my final year project is to modify an OpenGL space simulator, into which you can import 3DStudio spacecraft models (85,000 polygon Enterprise E looks swish :O) This was the primary reason for me upgrading from a 1Ghz Thunderbird/Geforce2 Pro to a 1800XP/Radeon 8500. My new computer renders better, but the amount of traffic streaming over the AGP bus (think Doom III uses a lot of textures? Try this simulator) crashes this crappy computer within 30 seconds. The moral of the story is not to buy anything with an ABIT or VIA sticker on it.
A friend of mine at IBM has 4 workstations with dual CPU/4GB memory in each, he breaks high-speed hard disks for a living. The only reason I upgraded from 256MB to 512MB was so I could open a couple of 400MB jpg's (I still couldn't). My point is that if you have a use for extra power, then by all means go get it, but mindlessly drooling over faster machines and better framerates is just paying people to take your money away. And as I've seen to my cost, a faster computer is not always a better computer.
I don't know what's wrong with your Mums PC - there's no discernable speed difference in Windows between my g/f's Athlon 850 and my 1800XP (and there's no speed difference between my 1800XP and a 3Ghz machine) they both do what they are told when they are told to. Hers struggles a bit with the latest games, but nothing unbearable.
Your bottom line is almost right: Companies make faster CPUs and people, yes even gullible nerds who get off over having the fastest widgets buy them. Why? Because people are stupid.
You're wrong about the UT2K3 thing though. Everyone wants 60fps in all games, and even on some of the latest hardware it's hard to achieve in that game, and UT2K3 will only be the first game to use that engine.
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