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"Male Manifesto"

This is a call for my fellow tripods to stand up and claim their dignity back.
For too long we've been cast as the villains. Male dominated workplaces, pubs etc. Then the tide turned and females rose to prominance.
This is cool, I have no problem with that. Except when it's at the expense of male pride of the idea of maleness.

We have lost our way. Or as Tyler Durden puts it in Fight Club, "We are a generation of men raised by women, I'm thinking is another woman the answer".
This is not an anti-woman post before you all start throwing estrogen grenades at me or shrieking like angry chickens.
This is me saying that man have lost their identity, pride, dignity and balls. And it's time to take them back.
You doubt that we're seen as a floundering, clueless emasculated gender?
TV commercials. We're seen as incompetant at housework, useless at social functions and utterly lost. Blokes in dresses advertising kitchen-tissue,a bloke licking a trail of beer around the house to get him to clean up only to fall asleep when she pours it on herself?

And you men know what I'm talking about.
Ever wanted to hang out with mates but you're spending "quality time" together so you don't do that?
I used to, I know this. Staying at girlfriend's over the weekend, used to come back Sunday afternoon to meet mates and play video games. Did I tell her this? No.
Why not? Because she had my balls in her purse. And deep down you know you've done the same. You've kept quiet for an "easy life", passed up being with males to keep her happy. Yet she'll quite cheerfully go out with her mates, or have them over for the evening and you're expected to sit outside the room.
But when you do that, she gets moody right?

It's time to claim your pride back.
All these little books you can buy - for women. "Women are from Mars, Men are From Sperm", "Little book of calm" blah blah blah. Trite nonsense designed to meet certain emotional needs.
Blokes, how many times have you heard this:
"So and so at work is bugging me"
"I'll smash his face off for you"
"No, I dont want you to fix it, I just want to moan"
That's the fundemental difference here, we hear the woman has a problem,we want to fix it.
It's primal, the protector instinct. But it's been bred out of us, we've become domesticated household pets.
We have become this prissy little appendages good for mocking when they're at work (and she *does* moan about you, I promise) and her female mates all cluck and nod in sympathy.

"New Man" - a media myth that we bought. We fell for it hook, line and sinker. We started to think about "our emotions" and lost the plot. Sensitive, weepy new-age men that "understand your pain" and write poems about how hard life is.
I'm not saying we should be insensitive chauvenist pigs. I'm saying you shouldn't be afraid to say "I'm seeing my mates this weekend, sorry".
Or instead of dragging round the shops in woeful misery, say "Nope" and pick her up afterwards.
Blokes dont enjoy shopping m'kay? We know what we want before we leave, we go straight there, buy it and leave. No traipsing around Lakeside for 5hrs just browsing.
But you'll see herds of lost, sad men in Debenhams/John Lewis carrying the bags. We see another male and nod in recognition before wandering around exhaling slowly and thinking about how to get past the boss on that game.
They know this, some stores now have "creches" for men with magazines and tv. They're called "creches". You see how this is working?
We're helpless infants still needing "mum" to help us.

Well balls to that.
I'm a bloke. I smoke, I like porn. I like playing video-games, I like seeing my mates. I like playing my drums (no women at rehearsals, that's Gospel). And I'll be damned if I ever surrender my identity or happiness for the sake of a girlfriend.
That's not to say I treat it like warfare, I just set it out from the start.
I wont do dinner parties, I wont do IKEA on a Sunday looking for lampshades. And you know why? Because blokes dont care about that crap.
My 1st flat, me and a mate. There were movie posters, a Scooby Doo print and ONE plant - bought by a parent.

And trust me, women are getting fed up with blokes acting like ball-less little wimpy men.
You doubt that? Go find a woman and ask her if she saw "Gladiator".
She'll nod and make a comment about Russel Crowe. Why? Because he was nails-hard, fought for her honour/vengeance and she knows she'd be safe out with him.
Take your new-age, simpering wimpering little ideas of what a man should be and cram them.

I'm a bloke and I refuse to shuffle around in a woman-enforced idea of who I am and how I behave.
Men - take back your pride and dignity and stand up for yourselves. It's genetic, it's primal. We're hunter/gatherers, not sympathetic whiney men that take candle-lit baths *unless* you ask us and we're gonna get laid afterwards.

Be proud of being a bloke for chrissakes before we're in a museum.
Chris Martin? New-age fairy man that women think are "sweet"
Maximus? Old school bloke that women want to hump silly and try to tame.

And if you still need proof, ever heard this?
"You're like my brother"
"I really like you as a mate"
"You're sweet, I feel I can tell you anything"

That means you blew it Conan, you ain't ever seeing her naked. Which is the ultimate goal of every bloke here when talking to a woman in a social situation that isn't
(a) Related to you
(b) A minger
(c) Illegally young

Fact: If you're in a pub/club etc and a bloke comes over and starts to tell you how interested he is in you as a person blah blah, he's exactly the same as the bloke that comes over and says "Alright darling, is that a ladder in your tights or a stairway to heaven?"

Men, it's time to make your choice.
Nice, polite, understanding Coldplay type bloke that is a "good mate" and will end up being cheated on because "He's nice but boring" or the type of bloke that women want to "tame"?
It's the challenge they like, to be able to think they broke you like a pony and now you're "theirs".

Be a bloke - dont be a p****-whipped crybaby.

Goatboy wrote:

> A woman stands up and comes out with her manifesto (a la Bridget
> Jones) and she's heralded as a icon of feminine strength.
> Where's the male version? Nick Hornby? Dont think so.

On a side note GB, read John O'farrells 'The best a man can get'.

It is the most bloke orientated and funny book ever, and It does cover some of the points here.

Blokes shouldn't be tied down, but women make them feel guilty if they aren't.

> Goatboy wrote:

> Remember how you discovered his porno-thing and how upset you were?

oh, and what was the point of bringing that one up? I think I missed the point somewhere :S

Goatboy wrote:


> Remember how you discovered his porno-thing and how upset you were?

Rember that it wasn't the Porno thing that upset me. It was the lying to me and trying to hide it, when previously we had shared similar thing (sounds dirty ooops), and also the fact that even though after he had previously promised never to lie to me again he still did. Just putting the record straight there.

I'll give my interpretation.
And it's not labelling women as manipulative etc, it's saying situations arise like that because blokes have lost the courage to say "I'm not interested in shopping/dinner parties/watching Titanic".

But if someone sticks their head above the parapet and says "This is wrong and we're a bunch of simpering fairy-men", then he gets dragged through the village towards the stocks.

A woman stands up and comes out with her manifesto (a la Bridget Jones) and she's heralded as a icon of feminine strength.
Where's the male version? Nick Hornby? Dont think so.
Males have no accurate representation in the media, the closest (albeit with amplification for comedy) is Men Behaving Badly.
You want a true portayal of how blokes act with no female inteference?
Watch Jackass.
Blokes being stupid and laughing at each other.
That's how we bond.

Rosalind wrote:
> Goatboy wrote:

> I realise you aren't intending to critise women, but you must realise
> that you haven't been particularly kind toward them either. You have
> portrayed us as manipulative and selfish.

I think this is an opionion, Ros, he didn't put it down as fact.

I share this opinion, as do many other of 'the nice guys' who have fallen into such a hole, and been emotionally crushed, as I have.

Its time that men put emotions aside. I know that after the last month, I will, im intent on becoming the biggest and badest B*****d in swansea.

Goatboy wrote:

> And Ros, this isn't critcising women. This is criticising men that
> have identified part of themselves in the comments raised. I've done
> exactly the things I've spoken about. I did things to keep it quiet
> and stress-free.

I realise you aren't intending to critise women, but you must realise that you haven't been particularly kind toward them either. You have portrayed us as manipulative and selfish.

But that isn't what I was trying to say exactly. I just don't think that things you have written particularly apply to my Life. I really don't think that The Ogre is like your potrayal of a Man. And I'm not sure that I'm exactly your potrayl of an average woman either, but then If I was I probably wouldn't be here.

If your so sure that The Ogre fits your portrait of a man, I would be interested if you could tell me what is going on in is head, under certain circumstances.

Rosalind wrote:
> Since you profess to know so much about the inner workings of my
> boyfriends mind. Perhaps you could explain a few things about him?
----

Gladly.
I'm not trying to angry up the women. I'm merely offering a male view on how other males act.
Remember how you discovered his porno-thing and how upset you were?

I was correct about that situation.
I'm not trying to rile you here Ros.

Slaveunit wrote:
Women at ground level like to be in charge. They like to think that
> men are useless, and that they are better.
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Agree 100%.
Example this weekend, woman making breakfast.
I wander in "Want a hand?"
"How?"
"I dunno, I'll do the eggs?"
"You'll just be in my way, go and watch The Godfather"
"Oh...alright"

I watch movie, she feels good because she's taken charge and I get to sit, smoke and watch a movie about gangsters.
There is a time for game-playing to achieve our goals, but there must be an underlying, non-sacrificial way of living as well.
Co-habiting is good, but you must be able to put your foot down and stand up for yourself too instead of playing these "I'm helpless" games.

And Ros, this isn't critcising women. This is criticising men that have identified part of themselves in the comments raised. I've done exactly the things I've spoken about. I did things to keep it quiet and stress-free.

Goatboy wrote:

> And one thing I can say with 100% correctness: The Ogre would agree
> with a hella lot in this topic.

Since you profess to know so much about the inner workings of my boyfriends mind. Perhaps you could explain a few things about him?

I tihnk it's too late for me personally. I have absolutely no idea how to live my life, and very much doubt I could cope alone.

No Mr. Nomad, Bread-Winner and Lord of the Beds for me. I'm utterly tame.