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Q. Why are the Fire Brigade Union Asking For a new pay deal ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
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Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
----
Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
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Insane Bartender wrote:
> If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting
> service.
Trust me it may be cheap here but it doesn't make up for the fact that its Hull.
> If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting
> service.
Trust me it may be cheap here but it doesn't make up for the fact that its Hull.
Erm...Im not in politics, but i got a B for my higher modern studies.
:¬)
:¬)
Splendide mendax wrote:
> Which is why the firemen Ooop North are quite happy with the original
> offer.
>
> If the pay structure has been so bad since 1977 then why have the
> union not done something about it before and tried to get the wage
> structure index linked.
>
> Maybe this Militant Gilchrist has realised how much the union have
> failed the firemen in the last 25 years and is trying to make a name
> for himself now ?
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Email the address provided, dont post here. It affects nothing. Email the address provided.
> Which is why the firemen Ooop North are quite happy with the original
> offer.
>
> If the pay structure has been so bad since 1977 then why have the
> union not done something about it before and tried to get the wage
> structure index linked.
>
> Maybe this Militant Gilchrist has realised how much the union have
> failed the firemen in the last 25 years and is trying to make a name
> for himself now ?
---
Email the address provided, dont post here. It affects nothing. Email the address provided.
Which is why the firemen Ooop North are quite happy with the original offer.
If the pay structure has been so bad since 1977 then why have the union not done something about it before and tried to get the wage structure index linked.
Maybe this Militant Gilchrist has realised how much the union have failed the firemen in the last 25 years and is trying to make a name for himself now ?
If the pay structure has been so bad since 1977 then why have the union not done something about it before and tried to get the wage structure index linked.
Maybe this Militant Gilchrist has realised how much the union have failed the firemen in the last 25 years and is trying to make a name for himself now ?
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Wait a second. Not only do they want £30k, but they want the
> same rate for every fireman anywhere in the country?
>
> If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting
> service.
---
Email the address provided.
Dont post here, it affects nothing.
Email the address provided.
I dare you.
> Wait a second. Not only do they want £30k, but they want the
> same rate for every fireman anywhere in the country?
>
> If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting
> service.
---
Email the address provided.
Dont post here, it affects nothing.
Email the address provided.
I dare you.
What makes me laugh and shake my head is this:
So many political pundits that have *all* the answers.
Yet how many of you are in politics? Hmmmm?
Well I'm shocked. I would have thought so many eager burning minds would be doing more than....what is it?
Accountant? Office Clerk? Supermarket Worker?
I'm not saying these are rubbish jobs, I'm saying that for people with zero grounding in politics other than shouting on a forum, people seem pretty convinced they've got all the answers.
OR, is it just a bunch of people trying to give the impression they know anything more than they read in the paper?
Myself included.
This is why debates here are, ultimately pointless, because they change nothing. All these lengthy debates and (my personal favourite) those posts that sound so cocksure and "I know the answer" that come from people that do absolutely nothing about these situations they seem so knowledgeable on.
So, unless you do a little bit more than sound off on a computer game forum?
Either shut up and get involved in the "real" world, or stop acting like you have all the answers.
You dont. I dont.
Debate is one thing - it's an exchange of ideas about situations. But the attitudes of certain people reek of ignorant, misinformed chest-thumpings from armchair pundits that (and here's my point again) DO NOTHING EXCEPT POST HERE ABOUT LIFE. If you know the answers, go into politics.
Dont offer up weak excuses, because from posts here I get the impression you can solve everything in the world.
So why aren't you? Why are you wasting your talents in an office/supermarket/retail outlet?
I'm both amused and bored by reading post after post from people that think reading an article and watching the news think they've become an expert on things.
Myself included.
Argue away kids, fight and scream. You ain't doing a damn thing other than a few words on a screen.
Yeah, like your opinions matter.
So many political pundits that have *all* the answers.
Yet how many of you are in politics? Hmmmm?
Well I'm shocked. I would have thought so many eager burning minds would be doing more than....what is it?
Accountant? Office Clerk? Supermarket Worker?
I'm not saying these are rubbish jobs, I'm saying that for people with zero grounding in politics other than shouting on a forum, people seem pretty convinced they've got all the answers.
OR, is it just a bunch of people trying to give the impression they know anything more than they read in the paper?
Myself included.
This is why debates here are, ultimately pointless, because they change nothing. All these lengthy debates and (my personal favourite) those posts that sound so cocksure and "I know the answer" that come from people that do absolutely nothing about these situations they seem so knowledgeable on.
So, unless you do a little bit more than sound off on a computer game forum?
Either shut up and get involved in the "real" world, or stop acting like you have all the answers.
You dont. I dont.
Debate is one thing - it's an exchange of ideas about situations. But the attitudes of certain people reek of ignorant, misinformed chest-thumpings from armchair pundits that (and here's my point again) DO NOTHING EXCEPT POST HERE ABOUT LIFE. If you know the answers, go into politics.
Dont offer up weak excuses, because from posts here I get the impression you can solve everything in the world.
So why aren't you? Why are you wasting your talents in an office/supermarket/retail outlet?
I'm both amused and bored by reading post after post from people that think reading an article and watching the news think they've become an expert on things.
Myself included.
Argue away kids, fight and scream. You ain't doing a damn thing other than a few words on a screen.
Yeah, like your opinions matter.
I really hope they do, and you do. Maybe then your eyes will be opened.
Wait a second. Not only do they want £30k, but they want the same rate for every fireman anywhere in the country?
If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting service.
If they get that, I'm moving to Hull and joining the firefighting service.
Q. Why are the Fire Brigade Union Asking For a new pay deal ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
----
Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
----
Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
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