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Q. Why are the Fire Brigade Union Asking For a new pay deal ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
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Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators have their pay set by a formula that is 25 years old and doesn't give a fair wage for the job they do.
Q. Do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get extra pay for working Nights and Weekends ?
A. No Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators get no shift/weekend/night allowance unlike most people who work a shift system.
Q. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators do get a lot of time off don't they?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators work a 42 hour week not the standard 38 hours worked in industry.
Q. So how much do Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control operators earn ?
A. A fully qualified Fire Fighter after four years training earns £21,531 with the starting pay at under £17,000. An Emergency Fire control operator earns £19,827 with the minimum starting pay at £14,163.
Q. Isn't £21,531 a fair wage ?
A. Fire Fighters have 11% of their wages deducted for their pension scheme for when they retire at a maximum of 55 or 60 for officers. They also work more hours per week than normal so their hourly pay is in fact lower and so is their take home pay.
Q. Wouldn't an extra payment help Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff who can't afford to live in some areas of the country ?
A. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do the same job protecting the public across the country and the risks they face are the same from Cornwall to Scotland. Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff should all be paid a fair rate for the job they do and that job is the same no matter where they serve.
Q Don't some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff work on their three days off ?
A. Some Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff do have to work on some of their rest days to earn enough to live where they are sent to work. A fair rate of pay would mean they didn't have to work on their rest days to make ends meet.
Q. Do Fire service employers think that Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are underpaid ?
A. Fire service employers have agreed to a joint approach to the government to ensure Fire fighters and Emergency Fire control staff are fairly paid for the job they do.
Q. Has the Fire fighters job changed that much since their last pay formula claim in 1977 ?
A. Fire fighters today face all sorts of incidents from terrorist acts to chemical spills, from car and rail crashes to property fires. Fire fighters also undertake safety inspections, do community education programmes for children and adults, and still complete their training courses and exams as well as fitness training and lectures on a daily basis. The training of a fire fighter continues throughout their 30 year career.
Q. What is a fair rate of pay for a Fire fighter ?
A. A rate of pay that recognises that Fire fighters have to train for four years to qualify and which reflects a fair wage for people who put their lives on the line and their skills to the test every time they arrive at your local station for another shift.
----
Now, please do me 1 favour.
Before you start posting your views here and then wander off for a coffee?
Any questions or statements of blinding political truth, email them here
[email protected]
That's the Fireman's Union email address.
Email them your comments and post the replies instead of arguing about it on a forum populated by (mostly) kids that dont care about it.
I honestly want to see how many people here that are lambasting the Fire Service have the courage to address the issue directly.
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I was going to rant on for a considerably longer time than that, but the chances of this e-mail both getting read and replied to are extremely slim.
Following some raging and heated arguments going on on internet chat forums across the nation, I have been aske to take the argument to you guys, the logic being that you're best equipped to answer me.
I've been arguing against a 40% payrise ever since I heard about the idea, although I will say from the start that while I have rejected that particular value, I have always supported fairer pay for firefighters.
The problem I have is that £30k is a lot of money. Not only is it a lot of money, but from what I understand, you want the same pay to be given to firefighters across the entire country. Now, £30k for a central london firefighter sounds sane enough, but firefighters in places like Hull must be rubbing their hands with glee. £30k is a veritable fortune in northern parts of the country, and firefighters - who we should remind ourselves are working class citizens - will be left living like kings.
This sort of thing could massively misbalance the economy in northern areas, breed contempt to "high-lifing" firemen, and create a massive influx of people wanting to join the "profession". I know I would. I earn under £30,000 a year myself. I work in finance for a large and reputable company in surrey. But for £30k in an area like Hull, I'd pack my bags without hesitation.
Personally, I'd rather see you accept a proper salary scheme, weighted for different areas in the country. Don't try to palm me off with "life is as valuable in one area of the country as another". Because you aren't being paid lives. No price can be put on life itself. Your being paid a wage, and the value of wages DOES differ across the country, and your demands should sensibly reflect that.
Furthermore, though I've no doubt you will have heard this before from countless others, I feel that both striking and withholding lifesaving equipment from others is nothing short of attempting to hold the country to ransom. As a result, lives are being put at risk for monetary demands. This is nothing short of terrorism.
Thankyou for your time.
Gareth
I've been arguing against a 40% payrise ever since I heard about the idea, although I will say from the start that while I have rejected that particular value, I have always supported fairer pay for firefighters.
The problem I have is that £30k is a lot of money. Not only is it a lot of money, but from what I understand, you want the same pay to be given to firefighters across the entire country. Now, £30k for a central london firefighter sounds sane enough, but firefighters in places like Hull must be rubbing their hands with glee. £30k is a veritable fortune in northern parts of the country, and firefighters - who we should remind ourselves are working class citizens - will be left living like kings.
This sort of thing could massively misbalance the economy in northern areas, breed contempt to "high-lifing" firemen, and create a massive influx of people wanting to join the "profession". I know I would. I earn under £30,000 a year myself. I work in finance for a large and reputable company in surrey. But for £30k in an area like Hull, I'd pack my bags without hesitation.
Personally, I'd rather see you accept a proper salary scheme, weighted for different areas in the country. Don't try to palm me off with "life is as valuable in one area of the country as another". Because you aren't being paid lives. No price can be put on life itself. Your being paid a wage, and the value of wages DOES differ across the country, and your demands should sensibly reflect that.
Furthermore, though I've no doubt you will have heard this before from countless others, I feel that both striking and withholding lifesaving equipment from others is nothing short of attempting to hold the country to ransom. As a result, lives are being put at risk for monetary demands. This is nothing short of terrorism.
Thankyou for your time.
Gareth
Genius idea, I'd like to see what they'd say to direct questioning without news filters.
What did your email say?
Anyway, sent a mail to the address below. Expecting a reply along the lines of "we deserve it because we risk our lives yada yada yada.
I don't care if it's outer mongolia, I'll live like a king.
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