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Personally, I'm in favour of it. These guys put their lives on the line day after day, and they deserve a decent salary for doing it. It must really grate that some footballers get more than double their annual salary in a week, all for kicking a ball around for a maximum of three hours a week.
40% may seem high, but considering they'll probably only get half that (if anything), then it's fair play. They always say you should ask for double what you actually want!
I appreciate that a strike may put lives at risk, but that's something held over them by government - and if they don't strike, they'll continue getting screwed.
40% may seem high, but considering they'll probably only get half that (if anything), then it's fair play. They always say you should ask for double what you actually want!
I appreciate that a strike may put lives at risk, but that's something held over them by government - and if they don't strike, they'll continue getting screwed.
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Better than being a right wing tw@t.
SHEEPY wrote:
>
> Socialism baby
>
> I think somebody who earns +£50000 gets 40% off in tax
>
> It stays at 40% above that
--
Oh sod THAT! Bloody socialists, full of your "help fellow man" bullsh*t. I hate people like you. Well, not you, you make do funny posts, but socialists in general. Do gooders that don't understand the way the world works.
>
> Socialism baby
>
> I think somebody who earns +£50000 gets 40% off in tax
>
> It stays at 40% above that
--
Oh sod THAT! Bloody socialists, full of your "help fellow man" bullsh*t. I hate people like you. Well, not you, you make do funny posts, but socialists in general. Do gooders that don't understand the way the world works.
Belldandy wrote:
> Splendide mendax wrote:
> Errr - that's what I said....
>
> No it isn't,
Oh no - here he goes again ...........
>
> In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours
> on
> and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to
> strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long
> service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
>
> Not when you take into account higher living costs, taxation and so on
> in this rip off country they aren't.
Er yes they are (comparable that is) and in Germany the comparative value of the pound would be worth an extra 2p. so their 14K-16K would be worth about 14280 - 16320 in this country - so yes they are worse off than our firemen.
>
> Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary -
> it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life
> style.
>
> A Firefighter is not unqualified and you do need qualifications
> anyway.
What ? so you're saying that to join the fire brigade as a 19 year old trainee (for which you get paid 19K) you have to be qualified as a fire fighter ? Yes you need some gcse's or something but that does not make you qualified.
Can't be bothered to argue with any more of it..
> Splendide mendax wrote:
> Errr - that's what I said....
>
> No it isn't,
Oh no - here he goes again ...........
>
> In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours
> on
> and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to
> strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long
> service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
>
> Not when you take into account higher living costs, taxation and so on
> in this rip off country they aren't.
Er yes they are (comparable that is) and in Germany the comparative value of the pound would be worth an extra 2p. so their 14K-16K would be worth about 14280 - 16320 in this country - so yes they are worse off than our firemen.
>
> Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary -
> it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life
> style.
>
> A Firefighter is not unqualified and you do need qualifications
> anyway.
What ? so you're saying that to join the fire brigade as a 19 year old trainee (for which you get paid 19K) you have to be qualified as a fire fighter ? Yes you need some gcse's or something but that does not make you qualified.
Can't be bothered to argue with any more of it..
Splendide mendax wrote:
> Errr - that's what I said....
No it isn't, I'm implying the Government are stupid for not giving the firefighters something closer to what they want, where as you are saying they are stupid for letting them strike in the first place.
> In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours on
> and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to
> strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long
> service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
Not when you take into account higher living costs, taxation and so on in this rip off country they aren't.
> Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary -
> it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life
> style.
A Firefighter is not unqualified and you do need qualifications anyway.
> Meh - as above - you do in the army.
Rubbish. Name the last conflict the regular army went into - the Gulf War. Other duties are mostly UN peacekeeping or humanitarian missions where there is about as much danger as going up most town's pubs at closing time on a firday night. The army do put themselves in danger, but not as much as the firefighters do, or as often.
> And if it was 50K there would be 128 for each post rather than the
> current 28.
This magical "28" is only the number of applications, thats before training has weeded out the idiots and those not suitable. Anyone can apply, just like in any other job, it doesn't mean they'd be any good though.
> Selfish git !! - next time you see one in town begging go and buy him
> a sandwich and see how much he appreciates it - you may well be
> suprised with their attitude towards you.
So what ? When I do give any money I give it to the Salvation Army, not someone on the street who could use it for anything. You seriously telling me you go buy homeless people sandwiches ? Do that in Nottingham and you'll have been mugged for all you're worth in moments. Attitude ? I'm not going to pretend I care to be honest, about 50% of the homeless in Nottingham have dogs with them, can't be so poor can they ? And as for Big Issue sellers, well I'd quite like to walk through Nottingham without having a copy thrust towards me at the start and end of each street, because that is what it is like.
> What's the point in doing that all the time ?
Because I can, and if it annoys a few people all the better ;P
~~Belldandy~~
> Errr - that's what I said....
No it isn't, I'm implying the Government are stupid for not giving the firefighters something closer to what they want, where as you are saying they are stupid for letting them strike in the first place.
> In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours on
> and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to
> strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long
> service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
Not when you take into account higher living costs, taxation and so on in this rip off country they aren't.
> Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary -
> it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life
> style.
A Firefighter is not unqualified and you do need qualifications anyway.
> Meh - as above - you do in the army.
Rubbish. Name the last conflict the regular army went into - the Gulf War. Other duties are mostly UN peacekeeping or humanitarian missions where there is about as much danger as going up most town's pubs at closing time on a firday night. The army do put themselves in danger, but not as much as the firefighters do, or as often.
> And if it was 50K there would be 128 for each post rather than the
> current 28.
This magical "28" is only the number of applications, thats before training has weeded out the idiots and those not suitable. Anyone can apply, just like in any other job, it doesn't mean they'd be any good though.
> Selfish git !! - next time you see one in town begging go and buy him
> a sandwich and see how much he appreciates it - you may well be
> suprised with their attitude towards you.
So what ? When I do give any money I give it to the Salvation Army, not someone on the street who could use it for anything. You seriously telling me you go buy homeless people sandwiches ? Do that in Nottingham and you'll have been mugged for all you're worth in moments. Attitude ? I'm not going to pretend I care to be honest, about 50% of the homeless in Nottingham have dogs with them, can't be so poor can they ? And as for Big Issue sellers, well I'd quite like to walk through Nottingham without having a copy thrust towards me at the start and end of each street, because that is what it is like.
> What's the point in doing that all the time ?
Because I can, and if it annoys a few people all the better ;P
~~Belldandy~~
Belldandy wrote:
> Splendide mendax wrote:
> Yes I know it's a daft idea before Bellbandy comes and rips it apart
> but it's also daft that the fireman have even been allowed to go on
> strike. In most other civilised countries they are treated as civil
> servants and are not allowed to partake in such action.
>
> Surely it is the government who is dafter for allowing it to come to
> this in the first place ?
Errr - that's what I said....
They had six months to sort this, and did
> very little with that time. And, as you put, "in most other
> civilised countries" they are paid a lot more and respected a lot
> more for what they do, and thus do not need to take this action in the
> first place, which is the FBU's whole point !
In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours on and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
They are respected more because they do not take this kind of action.
> And forget this crap about a the wage being good for a 19 year old
> compared to 10-12k.
Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary - it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life style.
In those jobs you don't put your life on the line,
> repsond all times of the day, and risk leaving your family without a
> parent one day.
Meh - as above - you do in the army..
> Anyone want to know why I respect the firemen and their cause so much
> ? Because I wouldn't fo the job, and couldn't, if the pay was
> £50k a year.
And if it was 50K there would be 128 for each post rather than the current 28.
Most of us probably don't even look at
> homeless people on the streets. I don't - I'll admit I avoid them as
> much as possible and have never given one penny to any of them.
Selfish git !! - next time you see one in town begging go and buy him a sandwich and see how much he appreciates it - you may well be suprised with their attitude towards you.
Yet
> this firefighter, and his mates, went into a raging inferno to save
> any life they could. I respect that, and so should everyone else.
I do respect what they do - I just dont respect them trying to hold our country to ransom for an unrealistic wage demand.
> ~~Belldandy~~
What's the point in doing that all the time ?
~~Splendide mendax~~
> Splendide mendax wrote:
> Yes I know it's a daft idea before Bellbandy comes and rips it apart
> but it's also daft that the fireman have even been allowed to go on
> strike. In most other civilised countries they are treated as civil
> servants and are not allowed to partake in such action.
>
> Surely it is the government who is dafter for allowing it to come to
> this in the first place ?
Errr - that's what I said....
They had six months to sort this, and did
> very little with that time. And, as you put, "in most other
> civilised countries" they are paid a lot more and respected a lot
> more for what they do, and thus do not need to take this action in the
> first place, which is the FBU's whole point !
In good old Germany the pay is approx 14K - 16K. They work 24 Hours on and 72 Hours off. They are civil servants and are not allowed to strike. Even in the good old USofA the salaries until you get long service are comparable to the current rates being paid here.
They are respected more because they do not take this kind of action.
> And forget this crap about a the wage being good for a 19 year old
> compared to 10-12k.
Why ? 19 K for an unqualified 19 year old is a bloody good salary - it's a lot more than they get in the army and is a much easier life style.
In those jobs you don't put your life on the line,
> repsond all times of the day, and risk leaving your family without a
> parent one day.
Meh - as above - you do in the army..
> Anyone want to know why I respect the firemen and their cause so much
> ? Because I wouldn't fo the job, and couldn't, if the pay was
> £50k a year.
And if it was 50K there would be 128 for each post rather than the current 28.
Most of us probably don't even look at
> homeless people on the streets. I don't - I'll admit I avoid them as
> much as possible and have never given one penny to any of them.
Selfish git !! - next time you see one in town begging go and buy him a sandwich and see how much he appreciates it - you may well be suprised with their attitude towards you.
Yet
> this firefighter, and his mates, went into a raging inferno to save
> any life they could. I respect that, and so should everyone else.
I do respect what they do - I just dont respect them trying to hold our country to ransom for an unrealistic wage demand.
> ~~Belldandy~~
What's the point in doing that all the time ?
~~Splendide mendax~~
Belldandy wrote:
> And Rosalind; you're boyfriend must either have some rubbish degree or
> he needs to get job hunting, I earn more than that at Woolworths....
> and I think, from what you've said here, that you do some kind of
> science type job ? What did you expect in a country where science is
> valued so highly ? *sarcasm* Comparing you wage to the firefighters
> doesn't mean they want to much, it means you probably don't get paid
> enough either !
>
Your right on both counts. My Boyf has a degree in Archeolgy from one of the top universities for that subject. But its in Archeolgy (stupid idiot him for doing an archeology degree.
The fact we live in Hull and the only job he can find is in a call centre for the council could have something to do with it, which was why I was suggesting training as a fireman might be an option we haven't considered before.
I work in Breast Cancer Research at a university, we earn a lot less than our industry counterparts, with less job stability, but its more rewarding as its not as money driven. I'm probably underpaid. When I get my PhD I'll earn more, but still not enough to be able to bring up a familiy on my wage, especially not if i want to move out of the hull region.
> And Rosalind; you're boyfriend must either have some rubbish degree or
> he needs to get job hunting, I earn more than that at Woolworths....
> and I think, from what you've said here, that you do some kind of
> science type job ? What did you expect in a country where science is
> valued so highly ? *sarcasm* Comparing you wage to the firefighters
> doesn't mean they want to much, it means you probably don't get paid
> enough either !
>
Your right on both counts. My Boyf has a degree in Archeolgy from one of the top universities for that subject. But its in Archeolgy (stupid idiot him for doing an archeology degree.
The fact we live in Hull and the only job he can find is in a call centre for the council could have something to do with it, which was why I was suggesting training as a fireman might be an option we haven't considered before.
I work in Breast Cancer Research at a university, we earn a lot less than our industry counterparts, with less job stability, but its more rewarding as its not as money driven. I'm probably underpaid. When I get my PhD I'll earn more, but still not enough to be able to bring up a familiy on my wage, especially not if i want to move out of the hull region.
All I see from Belldandy is an argument for bringing wage inflation to the country, and the destruction of the british economy.
Splendide mendax wrote:
> Yes I know it's a daft idea before Bellbandy comes and rips it apart
> but it's also daft that the fireman have even been allowed to go on
> strike. In most other civilised countries they are treated as civil
> servants and are not allowed to partake in such action.
Surely it is the government who is dafter for allowing it to come to this in the first place ? They had six months to sort this, and did very little with that time. And, as you put, "in most other civilised countries" they are paid a lot more and respected a lot more for what they do, and thus do not need to take this action in the first place, which is the FBU's whole point !
And forget this crap about a the wage being good for a 19 year old compared to 10-12k. In those jobs you don't put your life on the line, repsond all times of the day, and risk leaving your family without a parent one day.
And Rosalind; you're boyfriend must either have some rubbish degree or he needs to get job hunting, I earn more than that at Woolworths.... and I think, from what you've said here, that you do some kind of science type job ? What did you expect in a country where science is valued so highly ? *sarcasm* Comparing you wage to the firefighters doesn't mean they want to much, it means you probably don't get paid enough either !
Anyone want to know why I respect the firemen and their cause so much ? Because I wouldn't fo the job, and couldn't, if the pay was £50k a year. I'm not that kind of person and when I finish Uni I'll be happy with a nice safe job tucked up in an office or store somewhere. So that means that I really respect those who don't want that, and risk their lives to save others. 9/11 showed that pefectly - over 200+ firemen died because they went in to save people, even as the first tower collapsed they went into the second, and didn't give up. We have not had such an attack, and hopefully won't, but our guys, and girls, do the same job.
The firefighter whose funeral was earlier this week died searching a warehouse for homeless people. Most of us probably don't even look at homeless people on the streets. I don't - I'll admit I avoid them as much as possible and have never given one penny to any of them. Yet this firefighter, and his mates, went into a raging inferno to save any life they could. I respect that, and so should everyone else.
~~Belldandy~~
> Yes I know it's a daft idea before Bellbandy comes and rips it apart
> but it's also daft that the fireman have even been allowed to go on
> strike. In most other civilised countries they are treated as civil
> servants and are not allowed to partake in such action.
Surely it is the government who is dafter for allowing it to come to this in the first place ? They had six months to sort this, and did very little with that time. And, as you put, "in most other civilised countries" they are paid a lot more and respected a lot more for what they do, and thus do not need to take this action in the first place, which is the FBU's whole point !
And forget this crap about a the wage being good for a 19 year old compared to 10-12k. In those jobs you don't put your life on the line, repsond all times of the day, and risk leaving your family without a parent one day.
And Rosalind; you're boyfriend must either have some rubbish degree or he needs to get job hunting, I earn more than that at Woolworths.... and I think, from what you've said here, that you do some kind of science type job ? What did you expect in a country where science is valued so highly ? *sarcasm* Comparing you wage to the firefighters doesn't mean they want to much, it means you probably don't get paid enough either !
Anyone want to know why I respect the firemen and their cause so much ? Because I wouldn't fo the job, and couldn't, if the pay was £50k a year. I'm not that kind of person and when I finish Uni I'll be happy with a nice safe job tucked up in an office or store somewhere. So that means that I really respect those who don't want that, and risk their lives to save others. 9/11 showed that pefectly - over 200+ firemen died because they went in to save people, even as the first tower collapsed they went into the second, and didn't give up. We have not had such an attack, and hopefully won't, but our guys, and girls, do the same job.
The firefighter whose funeral was earlier this week died searching a warehouse for homeless people. Most of us probably don't even look at homeless people on the streets. I don't - I'll admit I avoid them as much as possible and have never given one penny to any of them. Yet this firefighter, and his mates, went into a raging inferno to save any life they could. I respect that, and so should everyone else.
~~Belldandy~~
Rosalind wrote:
> I've got a spare room :p
Really?
*WINKS*
> I've got a spare room :p
Really?
*WINKS*
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