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Personally, I'm in favour of it. These guys put their lives on the line day after day, and they deserve a decent salary for doing it. It must really grate that some footballers get more than double their annual salary in a week, all for kicking a ball around for a maximum of three hours a week.
40% may seem high, but considering they'll probably only get half that (if anything), then it's fair play. They always say you should ask for double what you actually want!
I appreciate that a strike may put lives at risk, but that's something held over them by government - and if they don't strike, they'll continue getting screwed.
40% may seem high, but considering they'll probably only get half that (if anything), then it's fair play. They always say you should ask for double what you actually want!
I appreciate that a strike may put lives at risk, but that's something held over them by government - and if they don't strike, they'll continue getting screwed.
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Why the hell do firefighters deserve more money? I mean, they get quite a lot as it is. If anything, it's the teachers who deserve extra money, especially secondary school teachers. You could say it's them who put their lives on the line - it's one of the most stressful jobs available and more of a vocation than a job. Firefighters are just being greedy, because in my opinion, they aren't near the top of the list when it comes to professions which need salary increases.
Mendax Bartender wrote:
> I have to put up with stress and mental strain that firefighters will
> never feel.
No stress or mental strain?
My cousin was once a part-time fireman, and he now works in an office as a programmer, because it gives him less stres and more money. He can do his job and go home at 5:30, leaving his work behind.
He has pulled dead bodies from buildings, as well as people badly burned but still alive. He still has nightmares about it.
And you think being able to add up gives you more stress?
You are a fecking idiot - no question about it.
Still, you've proved to me that I could never be a fireman. I couldn't bring myself to urinate on the likes of you, on fire or not.
> I have to put up with stress and mental strain that firefighters will
> never feel.
No stress or mental strain?
My cousin was once a part-time fireman, and he now works in an office as a programmer, because it gives him less stres and more money. He can do his job and go home at 5:30, leaving his work behind.
He has pulled dead bodies from buildings, as well as people badly burned but still alive. He still has nightmares about it.
And you think being able to add up gives you more stress?
You are a fecking idiot - no question about it.
Still, you've proved to me that I could never be a fireman. I couldn't bring myself to urinate on the likes of you, on fire or not.
unknown kernel wrote:
> I agree with you that firefighters should be paid more.
>
> Great.
>
> What I disagree about is that firefighting is an unskilled job, that
> "any muppet could be a fireman", and that firefighters have
> no honour.
>
> That isn't deaf ears, it's a stupid mouth.
Well to be fair firefighting is a semi-skilled job, but still any muppet could be taught how to do it.
> I agree with you that firefighters should be paid more.
>
> Great.
>
> What I disagree about is that firefighting is an unskilled job, that
> "any muppet could be a fireman", and that firefighters have
> no honour.
>
> That isn't deaf ears, it's a stupid mouth.
Well to be fair firefighting is a semi-skilled job, but still any muppet could be taught how to do it.
Any muppet CAN be a fireman.
And anyone willing to potentially sacrifice lives for a little more cash in the pocket cannot be said to have honour.
And anyone willing to potentially sacrifice lives for a little more cash in the pocket cannot be said to have honour.
I agree with you that firefighters should be paid more.
Great.
What I disagree about is that firefighting is an unskilled job, that "any muppet could be a fireman", and that firefighters have no honour.
That isn't deaf ears, it's a stupid mouth.
Great.
What I disagree about is that firefighting is an unskilled job, that "any muppet could be a fireman", and that firefighters have no honour.
That isn't deaf ears, it's a stupid mouth.
Yes, yes, yes. Everything is a gamble, everything is a bet. We pay taxes betting that chances are there will be a fire. No fires, we lose the bet, and the government keeps the money for the firefighters.
But why up the ante when the liklihood of a fire occuring hasn't increased? Indeed, with proper education, the risks are going down all the time. So why pay more?
I'm not going to argue against deaf ears. I've said several times that they should be paid more, but not what they are asking for.
It seems you would rather pay everyone well in excess of market value. A wonderful inflationary measure that ruins economies.
But why up the ante when the liklihood of a fire occuring hasn't increased? Indeed, with proper education, the risks are going down all the time. So why pay more?
I'm not going to argue against deaf ears. I've said several times that they should be paid more, but not what they are asking for.
It seems you would rather pay everyone well in excess of market value. A wonderful inflationary measure that ruins economies.
Insane Bartender wrote:
Um, firefighters have been negotiating for many, many years. The result? They don't get paid enough. The only bargaining tool they have left is to withdraw their labour. The government(s) have had more than a decade to sort this out; they haven't and it's come to crisis.
> As for me "belittling every proffession except my own", I
> have belittled only firefighting, and only because you seem to be
> under the mistaken impression that these people battle incredible odds
> to save people's lives night and day 24/7. The only thing they battle
> most of the time is an opponents poker hand.
Riiight. So we should start fires to keep them busy? The reason we have ambulances is in case people get sick. The reason we have an army is in case we go to war. The reason we have locks on our doors is in case someone tries to break in. And the reason we have firemen is in case there is fire. If sickness, wars, break-ins and fires all disappeared then we wouldn't need any of these things; but they haven't, so we do. If they sit idle then GOOD, it means horrible things aren't happening: but it's essential that they are there ,and ready, when emergencies arise.
Um, firefighters have been negotiating for many, many years. The result? They don't get paid enough. The only bargaining tool they have left is to withdraw their labour. The government(s) have had more than a decade to sort this out; they haven't and it's come to crisis.
> As for me "belittling every proffession except my own", I
> have belittled only firefighting, and only because you seem to be
> under the mistaken impression that these people battle incredible odds
> to save people's lives night and day 24/7. The only thing they battle
> most of the time is an opponents poker hand.
Riiight. So we should start fires to keep them busy? The reason we have ambulances is in case people get sick. The reason we have an army is in case we go to war. The reason we have locks on our doors is in case someone tries to break in. And the reason we have firemen is in case there is fire. If sickness, wars, break-ins and fires all disappeared then we wouldn't need any of these things; but they haven't, so we do. If they sit idle then GOOD, it means horrible things aren't happening: but it's essential that they are there ,and ready, when emergencies arise.
If firefighters had honour, they wouldn't be posing the possibility of being temporarilly replaced by 17 year old military trainees, with even less brains than themselves.
They deserve nothing but contempt for even considering strike action. What they need is reason. Asking for a blunt 40% wage increase is absurd. If they were willing to negotiate a salary scheme, it wouldn't have even got this far. But they're not.
And I consider police and doctors to be of far greater significance to the countries welfare than firefighters. The policve aren't especially underpaid, but they are overworked, something the government has been looking into for some time. The same goes for the medical proffession. There just aren't enough people willing to do the job.
Firefighters are underpaid. They certainly aren't overworked though, a reason they are so often overlooked in terms of wage increase.
If they had an ounce of reason, they would accept a salary scheme, and not just make ludicrous demands.
As for me "belittling every proffession except my own", I have belittled only firefighting, and only because you seem to be under the mistaken impression that these people battle incredible odds to save people's lives night and day 24/7. The only thing they battle most of the time is an opponents poker hand.
They deserve nothing but contempt for even considering strike action. What they need is reason. Asking for a blunt 40% wage increase is absurd. If they were willing to negotiate a salary scheme, it wouldn't have even got this far. But they're not.
And I consider police and doctors to be of far greater significance to the countries welfare than firefighters. The policve aren't especially underpaid, but they are overworked, something the government has been looking into for some time. The same goes for the medical proffession. There just aren't enough people willing to do the job.
Firefighters are underpaid. They certainly aren't overworked though, a reason they are so often overlooked in terms of wage increase.
If they had an ounce of reason, they would accept a salary scheme, and not just make ludicrous demands.
As for me "belittling every proffession except my own", I have belittled only firefighting, and only because you seem to be under the mistaken impression that these people battle incredible odds to save people's lives night and day 24/7. The only thing they battle most of the time is an opponents poker hand.
When a kid has nightmares about fires, criminals, getting sick or failing his maths test, his mum doesn't say "Don't worry son, there are managers, co-ordinators, regional directors and standardised testing out there to help you." She says, "There are doctors, nurses, firemen, policemen and teachers who will keep you safe."
In *my* opinion these are the professions that keep this country going, and, as a general rule, they are overworked and underpaid. I think all of these jobs are skilled ones, and I don't think you have the right to belittle every profession except your own. Whatever you might think, becoming a really good fireman or carpenter takes just as much time and effort as becoming a good accountant: and ALL those jobs make an important contribution to society.
As for firemen having no honour: that is, and always will be, a crock of etc.
In *my* opinion these are the professions that keep this country going, and, as a general rule, they are overworked and underpaid. I think all of these jobs are skilled ones, and I don't think you have the right to belittle every profession except your own. Whatever you might think, becoming a really good fireman or carpenter takes just as much time and effort as becoming a good accountant: and ALL those jobs make an important contribution to society.
As for firemen having no honour: that is, and always will be, a crock of etc.
Believe what you will. But getting paid £30,000 a year for an almost unskilled job is ludicrous.
I have to put up with stress and mental strain that firefighters will never feel. And given the choice, if I could earn the same money playing cards and pulling cats out of trees, I'd do it. So would a lot of other people.
Who's going to be accountants then? Managers? Co-Ordinators? Doctors?
No-one.
Except the dropouts.
Hope that makes you feel safer.
I have to put up with stress and mental strain that firefighters will never feel. And given the choice, if I could earn the same money playing cards and pulling cats out of trees, I'd do it. So would a lot of other people.
Who's going to be accountants then? Managers? Co-Ordinators? Doctors?
No-one.
Except the dropouts.
Hope that makes you feel safer.
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