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I truly believe that people aged 60 and over have more to contribute to society, than is ever recognised except, of course, those involved in certain areas of work such as media,pop music,acting,the Royal Family etc.
The Queen of England is 82 years of age, yet she appears to carry out similar duties to those she carried out many moons ago. To name a few other oldies - Bruce Forsyth, Michael Parkinson, Barbara Winsdor, and last but not least Noel Edmunds who looks and skips around on his programme - Deal or no Deal, like a man 20 years younger. However, when it comes to the over 60s of working class, they seem to be considered for nothing more than to be "put out to graze".
Perhaps it is time for over 60s to pave the way for themselves - don't just park yourselves in front of the TV and become fat and depressed. Get out and do something worthwhile - that means find the thing you would most love to do, and just do it. Perhaps numbers of people of the third age don't know how to use a computer, and think that they are too old to learn. I believe that no individual is too old to learn to do something that they always wanted to do, but was never given the opportunity. So now is the time, do some research, improve your lifestyle, and make a contribution.
The Queen of England is 82 years of age, yet she appears to carry out similar duties to those she carried out many moons ago. To name a few other oldies - Bruce Forsyth, Michael Parkinson, Barbara Winsdor, and last but not least Noel Edmunds who looks and skips around on his programme - Deal or no Deal, like a man 20 years younger. However, when it comes to the over 60s of working class, they seem to be considered for nothing more than to be "put out to graze".
Perhaps it is time for over 60s to pave the way for themselves - don't just park yourselves in front of the TV and become fat and depressed. Get out and do something worthwhile - that means find the thing you would most love to do, and just do it. Perhaps numbers of people of the third age don't know how to use a computer, and think that they are too old to learn. I believe that no individual is too old to learn to do something that they always wanted to do, but was never given the opportunity. So now is the time, do some research, improve your lifestyle, and make a contribution.
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Thanks. Very good point.
Thanks Dragonlance. Keep up the good work - I wonder how many young ones are self-taught in web site creation.
Thanks. My view is that if one wants to be trusted, one has to trust others. I truly believe that what one thinks is what one gets.
Thanks Everpain for your words of wisdom.
However the pages of the weekly puplication Computing do report quite frequently on this issue of 'age', 'experience' and 'ageism' within IT :)
However the pages of the weekly puplication Computing do report quite frequently on this issue of 'age', 'experience' and 'ageism' within IT :)
Dragonlance wrote:
> Within IT for example, anyone over 40 is regarded as 'gone'. No
> company will look at you for employment.
As someone working in IT, I can tell you that's complete balls. The only areas this is remotely true are those with some new system/language where likelihood is that only the recent academics have the knowledge. If, for example, you want an ABAP programmer, you're going to pick the guy with most experience implementing (preferably large) SAP solutions. You're not going to risk failure in a critical part of your business just to give some unproven college kid the chance to play with code.
However, at the same
> time, new graduates with their glossy IT 'based' degrees are
> rejected because they have no experience.
This is more the problem with the graduates believing their degrees entitle them to well paid senior roles.
> Industry blames the Universities for not developing 'courses'
> relevant to the 'real-world' within IT - this is an on-going
> debate.
Industry doesn't blame universities at all. Sticking with the IT sector, there are simply too many facets - too many specialisms for a broad brush university degree qualification to have any hope of covering the specifics required for a given job role.
Industry relies largely on recruiting graduates at the bottom of the ladder and training them up with practical experience and more focussed, specialist training.
> So, 'aged' IT persons are allowed to go to pasture and 'young'
> IT persons are rejected because they have no experience.
>
> One example, but one that is reflected throughout industry, no
> matter the discipline.
Again, I thoroughly disagree. Finance is another area where university is wholly inadequate to get you anywhere career wise. You'll need a chartered qualification with one of the major accountancy bodies, and even then you'll be working from the bottom up because it's experience that really matters. I certainly don't see any shortage of 40+ accountants in my office.
Age discrimination may be an issue in some less professional industry areas (albeit this must surely now be continuing in spite of the law...), but I imagine the problem is significantly less rife than you would have us believe.
> Within IT for example, anyone over 40 is regarded as 'gone'. No
> company will look at you for employment.
As someone working in IT, I can tell you that's complete balls. The only areas this is remotely true are those with some new system/language where likelihood is that only the recent academics have the knowledge. If, for example, you want an ABAP programmer, you're going to pick the guy with most experience implementing (preferably large) SAP solutions. You're not going to risk failure in a critical part of your business just to give some unproven college kid the chance to play with code.
However, at the same
> time, new graduates with their glossy IT 'based' degrees are
> rejected because they have no experience.
This is more the problem with the graduates believing their degrees entitle them to well paid senior roles.
> Industry blames the Universities for not developing 'courses'
> relevant to the 'real-world' within IT - this is an on-going
> debate.
Industry doesn't blame universities at all. Sticking with the IT sector, there are simply too many facets - too many specialisms for a broad brush university degree qualification to have any hope of covering the specifics required for a given job role.
Industry relies largely on recruiting graduates at the bottom of the ladder and training them up with practical experience and more focussed, specialist training.
> So, 'aged' IT persons are allowed to go to pasture and 'young'
> IT persons are rejected because they have no experience.
>
> One example, but one that is reflected throughout industry, no
> matter the discipline.
Again, I thoroughly disagree. Finance is another area where university is wholly inadequate to get you anywhere career wise. You'll need a chartered qualification with one of the major accountancy bodies, and even then you'll be working from the bottom up because it's experience that really matters. I certainly don't see any shortage of 40+ accountants in my office.
Age discrimination may be an issue in some less professional industry areas (albeit this must surely now be continuing in spite of the law...), but I imagine the problem is significantly less rife than you would have us believe.
Gem wrote:
> Thank you grix Thraves. You are very kind.
Don't fall for his charm -- it's a trick!
> Thank you grix Thraves. You are very kind.
Don't fall for his charm -- it's a trick!
Grix Thraves wrote:
> And Gem! I wanted to say you are incredibly polite and it's
> lovely. So nice to have polite people here.
Shut yo blasted mouth.
> And Gem! I wanted to say you are incredibly polite and it's
> lovely. So nice to have polite people here.
Shut yo blasted mouth.
Thank you grix Thraves. You are very kind.
Gem wrote:
> Everpain wrote:
>Just don't force unemployment on the younger generation simply >because you waited till the 11th hour to realise you'd lived your >life without ever living your dreams.
This is a rather unfair comment - no 'aged' person is causing unemployment within the young - fact!
Within IT for example, anyone over 40 is regarded as 'gone'. No company will look at you for employment. However, at the same time, new graduates with their glossy IT 'based' degrees are rejected because they have no experience.
Industry blames the Universities for not developing 'courses' relevant to the 'real-world' within IT - this is an on-going debate.
So, 'aged' IT persons are allowed to go to pasture and 'young' IT persons are rejected because they have no experience.
One example, but one that is reflected throughout industry, no matter the discipline.
> Everpain wrote:
>Just don't force unemployment on the younger generation simply >because you waited till the 11th hour to realise you'd lived your >life without ever living your dreams.
This is a rather unfair comment - no 'aged' person is causing unemployment within the young - fact!
Within IT for example, anyone over 40 is regarded as 'gone'. No company will look at you for employment. However, at the same time, new graduates with their glossy IT 'based' degrees are rejected because they have no experience.
Industry blames the Universities for not developing 'courses' relevant to the 'real-world' within IT - this is an on-going debate.
So, 'aged' IT persons are allowed to go to pasture and 'young' IT persons are rejected because they have no experience.
One example, but one that is reflected throughout industry, no matter the discipline.
Everpain wrote:
> Not too sure I'd encourage '3rd age people' to develop new skills
> as a revenue source. Effectively, as a self-actualisation
> measure, they'd enter the market via necessity at a discount,
> undercutting the current working generation, reducing overall
> wages and creating unemployment amongst those least able to cope
> with and afford it.
>
> If people want to learn new skills - everyone has access, some
> just lack the knowledge that they do - and exercise those skills
> purely for personal pleasure by creating personal websites,
> editing family photos, chasing geneology links or designing
> aircraft for the Red Bull Flugtag, then be my guest. Just don't
> force unemployment on the younger generation simply because you
> waited till the 11th hour to realise you'd lived your life
> without ever living your dreams.
>
> On a more constructive note, if you want to learn a new skill,
> academically, internet access is all you'll need. You can learn
> to design websites, grasp the fundamentals of company law, learnt
> to write a novel or get to grips with nuclear physics just by
> searching google. If you're interested in gathering knowledge,
> and aren't looking for structured academic qualification, then
> this should suffice.
You make a fair point. One of the ways that third age people may improve their well-being or enhance their lifestyle would be to learn to do something they always wanted to do but did not have the opportunity whilst working full-time.
My web site focuses on overall well-being of people who might otherwise give up because of age stereotyping and narrow-mindedness
> Not too sure I'd encourage '3rd age people' to develop new skills
> as a revenue source. Effectively, as a self-actualisation
> measure, they'd enter the market via necessity at a discount,
> undercutting the current working generation, reducing overall
> wages and creating unemployment amongst those least able to cope
> with and afford it.
>
> If people want to learn new skills - everyone has access, some
> just lack the knowledge that they do - and exercise those skills
> purely for personal pleasure by creating personal websites,
> editing family photos, chasing geneology links or designing
> aircraft for the Red Bull Flugtag, then be my guest. Just don't
> force unemployment on the younger generation simply because you
> waited till the 11th hour to realise you'd lived your life
> without ever living your dreams.
>
> On a more constructive note, if you want to learn a new skill,
> academically, internet access is all you'll need. You can learn
> to design websites, grasp the fundamentals of company law, learnt
> to write a novel or get to grips with nuclear physics just by
> searching google. If you're interested in gathering knowledge,
> and aren't looking for structured academic qualification, then
> this should suffice.
You make a fair point. One of the ways that third age people may improve their well-being or enhance their lifestyle would be to learn to do something they always wanted to do but did not have the opportunity whilst working full-time.
My web site focuses on overall well-being of people who might otherwise give up because of age stereotyping and narrow-mindedness
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