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That is the question that I currently ponder.
My friends have, apparently, got wind of a new drug called 'Saliva'. You smoke it. It's like pot, but trippy - you hallucinate, you belive your dreams are real, and it's supposed to be spiritually enlightening. According to them it has never killed anyone, never done any real damage. It's perfectly safe.
But still, I am worried. I have grown quite fond of my brain, and it would not be helpful for me if it was turned to mush by a bad trip. It would also not be helpful for me to choke on my own vomit, as I have nearly managed once before by going on a 'whitey'.
I'm not sure what to do...Hicks says that drugs are good, whilst Aronofsky shows me just how funned up things can get. I know the stuff I'm gonna do is hardly heroin, but still...
Advice, please.
(This post is, obviously, a story, written completely in character)
My friends have, apparently, got wind of a new drug called 'Saliva'. You smoke it. It's like pot, but trippy - you hallucinate, you belive your dreams are real, and it's supposed to be spiritually enlightening. According to them it has never killed anyone, never done any real damage. It's perfectly safe.
But still, I am worried. I have grown quite fond of my brain, and it would not be helpful for me if it was turned to mush by a bad trip. It would also not be helpful for me to choke on my own vomit, as I have nearly managed once before by going on a 'whitey'.
I'm not sure what to do...Hicks says that drugs are good, whilst Aronofsky shows me just how funned up things can get. I know the stuff I'm gonna do is hardly heroin, but still...
Advice, please.
(This post is, obviously, a story, written completely in character)
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Well, I maintain that it may not be abuse of the drug that is the danger, but what you don't know is in it.
I am fully prepared to say things like:
ecstacy (mdma) is perfectly safe, and was actually used in the states as a marriage counselling drug.
heroin (morphine) is just a heavy anaesthetic, and only overdose will kill you.
or things like that.
And while I'm sure you have taken every precaution to ensure that the substances you use are perfectly safe, others do not. Perhaps due to time constraints, or perhaps due to not actually knowing there is a danger.
Certainly, there is a need for education on both sides of the argument. Chances are, popping an ecstacy tab down your throat won't kill you. However, there IS a chance that directly or indirectly such a thing could happen, however small. People need to know the facts, and where the risks lie.
Personally, I will never take such substances, as however small the risks are, small odds have a habit of coming back in my face, and I'd rather not take the chance that the one tab I choose to buy happens to be laced with dog worming powder.
If I could gurantee it wouldn't kill me, and if it were LEGAL, I might try such things.
That said, I shy away from tesco value burgers, which won't kill me, and are legal. But to be honest I don't want to be associated with them...
I am fully prepared to say things like:
ecstacy (mdma) is perfectly safe, and was actually used in the states as a marriage counselling drug.
heroin (morphine) is just a heavy anaesthetic, and only overdose will kill you.
or things like that.
And while I'm sure you have taken every precaution to ensure that the substances you use are perfectly safe, others do not. Perhaps due to time constraints, or perhaps due to not actually knowing there is a danger.
Certainly, there is a need for education on both sides of the argument. Chances are, popping an ecstacy tab down your throat won't kill you. However, there IS a chance that directly or indirectly such a thing could happen, however small. People need to know the facts, and where the risks lie.
Personally, I will never take such substances, as however small the risks are, small odds have a habit of coming back in my face, and I'd rather not take the chance that the one tab I choose to buy happens to be laced with dog worming powder.
If I could gurantee it wouldn't kill me, and if it were LEGAL, I might try such things.
That said, I shy away from tesco value burgers, which won't kill me, and are legal. But to be honest I don't want to be associated with them...
†-Riquelme-† wrote:
> Never drunk Alcohol
In the words of the great Dean Martin:
"I'd hate to be a tee-totaller. Imagine waking up in the morning and knowing that's as good as you're going to feel all day."
> Never drunk Alcohol
In the words of the great Dean Martin:
"I'd hate to be a tee-totaller. Imagine waking up in the morning and knowing that's as good as you're going to feel all day."
See, the difference is I have taken numerous trips with no obvious side-effects.
And before you hand me the "ah but what about long term?" argument, the same can be said for any drug, legal or otherwise.
The "danger" with hallucinagenics is not knowing what you are taking, the correct dosages/procedures and the environment/state of mind you are in before starting.
Much the same with booze, if you're in a bad mood before then you'll end up punchy and unpleasant.
If you are just going to gobble a handful of pills/mushrooms/blotters and go off with mates to the pub, of course you are going to experience something that may not be entirely pleasant.
Yet again, it's the morons giving the rest of us a bad name.
Leave serious mind-altering substances to those that take the care and effort to minimise any dangers.
Of course nothing is 100% safe, but by the same token - you are not going to go mental simply because you have taken a trip.
It's always polar opposites in these arguments though.
"It's perfectly safe"
"It'll kill you!"
It's neither.
It can be dangerous, but it can also be harmless.
Just both sides of the argument are needed instead of universal condemnation by people that have no personal experience on the subject.
And before you hand me the "ah but what about long term?" argument, the same can be said for any drug, legal or otherwise.
The "danger" with hallucinagenics is not knowing what you are taking, the correct dosages/procedures and the environment/state of mind you are in before starting.
Much the same with booze, if you're in a bad mood before then you'll end up punchy and unpleasant.
If you are just going to gobble a handful of pills/mushrooms/blotters and go off with mates to the pub, of course you are going to experience something that may not be entirely pleasant.
Yet again, it's the morons giving the rest of us a bad name.
Leave serious mind-altering substances to those that take the care and effort to minimise any dangers.
Of course nothing is 100% safe, but by the same token - you are not going to go mental simply because you have taken a trip.
It's always polar opposites in these arguments though.
"It's perfectly safe"
"It'll kill you!"
It's neither.
It can be dangerous, but it can also be harmless.
Just both sides of the argument are needed instead of universal condemnation by people that have no personal experience on the subject.
Goatboy wrote:
> Oh please spare me the Daily Mail hysteria.
> Know what you are taking, how to and ensure everything is in place and
> you are in minimal danger of "freaking out" or any of that
> 1950's public safety programming rubbish.
As it happens, I have a friend who had to see a therapist following a bad lsd trip while on holiday in america. She was convinced that she had been abducted by aliens whilst sat in the back of her friends car.
true story. and I doubt it's the worst out there.
So I advise you Goatboy to know YOUR facts, before you go advising that there no danger, just choice. Because there IS danger, be it psychological of physical. Perhaps legalisation would solve the issue, but so long as it's not legal, you CANNOT trust what it is you are taking, and so it can only be advised that you avoid it.
> Oh please spare me the Daily Mail hysteria.
> Know what you are taking, how to and ensure everything is in place and
> you are in minimal danger of "freaking out" or any of that
> 1950's public safety programming rubbish.
As it happens, I have a friend who had to see a therapist following a bad lsd trip while on holiday in america. She was convinced that she had been abducted by aliens whilst sat in the back of her friends car.
true story. and I doubt it's the worst out there.
So I advise you Goatboy to know YOUR facts, before you go advising that there no danger, just choice. Because there IS danger, be it psychological of physical. Perhaps legalisation would solve the issue, but so long as it's not legal, you CANNOT trust what it is you are taking, and so it can only be advised that you avoid it.
Mr Ripper wrote:
> If you get off on terrifying yourself to the point of incoherrent
> hysteria which could lead to the loony bin, then by all means trip
> your brains out.
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Oh please spare me the Daily Mail hysteria.
Know what you are taking, how to and ensure everything is in place and you are in minimal danger of "freaking out" or any of that 1950's public safety programming rubbish.
> If you get off on terrifying yourself to the point of incoherrent
> hysteria which could lead to the loony bin, then by all means trip
> your brains out.
----
Oh please spare me the Daily Mail hysteria.
Know what you are taking, how to and ensure everything is in place and you are in minimal danger of "freaking out" or any of that 1950's public safety programming rubbish.
†-Riquelme-† wrote:
> Never ate Meat
if that's a biological restraint, then fair enough, but I hate to inform you that humans are by nature omnivores, and meats are actually good for you. Fish and chicken for a start. Not eating meat because of some "save the world" idiotic ideology is just unnecessary.
>
> I'm 100% Clean.
>
> And been keeping it that way for 19 years now.
> Never ate Meat
if that's a biological restraint, then fair enough, but I hate to inform you that humans are by nature omnivores, and meats are actually good for you. Fish and chicken for a start. Not eating meat because of some "save the world" idiotic ideology is just unnecessary.
>
> I'm 100% Clean.
>
> And been keeping it that way for 19 years now.
I think everyone knows my stance by now.
Besides, hallucinagenics are some of the worst types to have. Certainly the most likely to bring about "a bad trip", where it's not your dreams you start believing, but your nightmares.
If you get off on terrifying yourself to the point of incoherrent hysteria which could lead to the loony bin, then by all means trip your brains out.
If you have an ounce of sense though, don't bother.
Yes, alcohol is worse than some drugs, but then, you don't get shady alcohol dealers mixing your vodka with horse tranquilisers and rat poison.
Besides, hallucinagenics are some of the worst types to have. Certainly the most likely to bring about "a bad trip", where it's not your dreams you start believing, but your nightmares.
If you get off on terrifying yourself to the point of incoherrent hysteria which could lead to the loony bin, then by all means trip your brains out.
If you have an ounce of sense though, don't bother.
Yes, alcohol is worse than some drugs, but then, you don't get shady alcohol dealers mixing your vodka with horse tranquilisers and rat poison.
Never Smoked a cig
Never smoked drugs
Never drunk Alcohol
Never ate Meat
I'm 100% Clean.
And been keeping it that way for 19 years now.
Never smoked drugs
Never drunk Alcohol
Never ate Meat
I'm 100% Clean.
And been keeping it that way for 19 years now.
Ahhhhh, Mouldy Cheese whiteyed.....
Cheers everyone that gave me advice outside of 'drugs are bad'.
'tis much appriciated.
'tis much appriciated.
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