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This sounds good - However, I loved the all out war that existed between the Humans and Orcs in the second game, and all the story and traditional RTS fare, becasue it worked so well - Is this game similar, or much different? It has four races, does it not?
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beanz wrote:
> BG2 has 200 hours of POTENTIAL gameplay but that's if you do ALL the
> sidequests of which there are LOADS
> i think the main story should take around 60 hours...
Still sounds long, but I may consider getting it sometime. I think I shall get Icewind Dale first before I try to takle Baldur's Gate, I think you can get both the origanal game and the expansion pack together now for £10, which a decent price. We certainly aren't short of RPG's this year, there's already a load out, and it looksl ike the next few months will be filled with more good looking RPG's.
> BG2 has 200 hours of POTENTIAL gameplay but that's if you do ALL the
> sidequests of which there are LOADS
> i think the main story should take around 60 hours...
Still sounds long, but I may consider getting it sometime. I think I shall get Icewind Dale first before I try to takle Baldur's Gate, I think you can get both the origanal game and the expansion pack together now for £10, which a decent price. We certainly aren't short of RPG's this year, there's already a load out, and it looksl ike the next few months will be filled with more good looking RPG's.
cipro wrote:
> I don't really find Planescape: Torment that hard to play, the only
> thing difficult I find about it is the waves of text you have to read
> every so often, but that's not a real problem.
>
yeah...a heck of a lot of text...which is kinda the daunting part of it. also as i wasn't used to that type of game so i wasn't really used to the combat either. after playing icewind dale it was so much easier to get to grips with planescape torment and baldurs gate 2
As for Icewind Dale, well that's another game
> that interests me, and I think it's on budget now so I may give it a
> try. I also liked the demo to that game as well.
it's very action orientated...there are very few side quests
and having good experience in this type of game will help you a lot.
it's very possible and relatively easy to do the game with only 3 people (if not one...i've started a man party and have got to chapter 2 with him -quite hard at first but he levels up so quickly that he becomes a real power house). also there is a sort of bad bug (well not REALLY a bug) where only the enemies you can see can attack you..so any monsters that are covered by the fog of war (even if they are right next to a monster you can see) won't attack you...so you can just go through most of the game attacking one enemy at a time (i'm sure a patch would sort it out...the expansion pack defintely does and i recommend you get it as well -i think it comes in a bundle now- cos you get more items and better resolution). but it's quite enjoyable at the end of the day
>
> I'll have to think about Baldur's Gate though, as I'm sure I've read
> somewhere it's got 300 hours worth of gameplay in, and I doubt I'd
> stick around that long to complete it. What I read could be complete
> bollards though, but still there are games I'd like to try first.
BG2 has 200 hours of POTENTIAL gameplay but that's if you do ALL the sidequests of which there are LOADS
i think the main story should take around 60 hours...
> I don't really find Planescape: Torment that hard to play, the only
> thing difficult I find about it is the waves of text you have to read
> every so often, but that's not a real problem.
>
yeah...a heck of a lot of text...which is kinda the daunting part of it. also as i wasn't used to that type of game so i wasn't really used to the combat either. after playing icewind dale it was so much easier to get to grips with planescape torment and baldurs gate 2
As for Icewind Dale, well that's another game
> that interests me, and I think it's on budget now so I may give it a
> try. I also liked the demo to that game as well.
it's very action orientated...there are very few side quests
and having good experience in this type of game will help you a lot.
it's very possible and relatively easy to do the game with only 3 people (if not one...i've started a man party and have got to chapter 2 with him -quite hard at first but he levels up so quickly that he becomes a real power house). also there is a sort of bad bug (well not REALLY a bug) where only the enemies you can see can attack you..so any monsters that are covered by the fog of war (even if they are right next to a monster you can see) won't attack you...so you can just go through most of the game attacking one enemy at a time (i'm sure a patch would sort it out...the expansion pack defintely does and i recommend you get it as well -i think it comes in a bundle now- cos you get more items and better resolution). but it's quite enjoyable at the end of the day
>
> I'll have to think about Baldur's Gate though, as I'm sure I've read
> somewhere it's got 300 hours worth of gameplay in, and I doubt I'd
> stick around that long to complete it. What I read could be complete
> bollards though, but still there are games I'd like to try first.
BG2 has 200 hours of POTENTIAL gameplay but that's if you do ALL the sidequests of which there are LOADS
i think the main story should take around 60 hours...
I don't really find Planescape: Torment that hard to play, the only thing difficult I find about it is the waves of text you have to read every so often, but that's not a real problem.
I have played RPG's like this before, in fact a game similar in set-up to P: T was the first one to ease me into this genre. It was called Fallout, and after playing a demo a few years back, I was instantly hooked. A bit like some of today's RPG's you had to search a vast land (in this case it was post-apocalyptic) in order to complete one main objective, while you had the choice to also complete many sub-quests.
It thought me the basics anyway, and it was a game I spent hours playing, that's one of the reasons I'm attracted to this genre, and why I bought Planescape. As for Icewind Dale, well that's another game that interests me, and I think it's on budget now so I may give it a try. I also liked the demo to that game as well.
I'll have to think about Baldur's Gate though, as I'm sure I've read somewhere it's got 300 hours worth of gameplay in, and I doubt I'd stick around that long to complete it. What I read could be complete bollards though, but still there are games I'd like to try first.
I have played RPG's like this before, in fact a game similar in set-up to P: T was the first one to ease me into this genre. It was called Fallout, and after playing a demo a few years back, I was instantly hooked. A bit like some of today's RPG's you had to search a vast land (in this case it was post-apocalyptic) in order to complete one main objective, while you had the choice to also complete many sub-quests.
It thought me the basics anyway, and it was a game I spent hours playing, that's one of the reasons I'm attracted to this genre, and why I bought Planescape. As for Icewind Dale, well that's another game that interests me, and I think it's on budget now so I may give it a try. I also liked the demo to that game as well.
I'll have to think about Baldur's Gate though, as I'm sure I've read somewhere it's got 300 hours worth of gameplay in, and I doubt I'd stick around that long to complete it. What I read could be complete bollards though, but still there are games I'd like to try first.
that last comment was aimed at cipro's WCIII question...
Agreed, Planescape is a mind screw!
I would start with Baldur's Gate itself, since that's where I started, or perhaps IceWind Dale.
The RPG element is (for multiplayer at least) quite simply the use of certain units which can level up with experience, and gain extra abilities. These units are your main characters, and are extremely valuable.
I would start with Baldur's Gate itself, since that's where I started, or perhaps IceWind Dale.
The RPG element is (for multiplayer at least) quite simply the use of certain units which can level up with experience, and gain extra abilities. These units are your main characters, and are extremely valuable.
planescape torment isn't really the sort of game i would go for if i was trying to get into the baldur's gate sort of game...it's really a very complex (and good) game...but is quite daunting for beginners (i should know cos this was the first bg type of game i got)
NWN is a lot simpler...which is a good/bad thing
NWN is a lot simpler...which is a good/bad thing
From what I read, Warcraft 3 has some RPG elements in. Does it work?
As for Nevewinter nights, well I'm not a real big fan of RPG's, but it's a genre I've been exploring a bit with games such as planescape: torment, and to me it looks like NN is looking like a much more worthwhile purchase than Morrowind or dungeon siege.
Another game I'm currently looking into.
As for Nevewinter nights, well I'm not a real big fan of RPG's, but it's a genre I've been exploring a bit with games such as planescape: torment, and to me it looks like NN is looking like a much more worthwhile purchase than Morrowind or dungeon siege.
Another game I'm currently looking into.
Yes, the new third edition rules add a lot of depth to the game. A lot of common sense too, such as simplifying the combat system, so everything works more cumulatively, for example armour class is now the higher the better, as opposed to -15 being a fantastic armour class...
all good stuff/
all good stuff/
cipro wrote:
> Hmmmm Neverwinter nights looks good, it got 94% in PCGamer, while
> warcraft3 got 90%. Another game I want to add to my collection, looks
> like I'll have to free up some space to make room for them.
Neverwinter Nights is good...but if you're expecting a very deep and complex single player like baldur's gate 2 then you might be in for some disappointment...it's more like Icewind Dale (if you've played it) -more action orientated but in nice 3d graphics
there have also been some reported game stopping only in certain copies...such as certain key characters attacking you and unlockable doors (which are required to be opened). i haven't experienced any of these problems myself but i just thought you should know about them
because of the new third edition d&d rules your character can also become far more flexible
and as you can only one character (and one henchman) your character levels up REALLY quickly.
i've heard the single player campaign takes around 40-60 hours to complete
i haven't tried it on multiplayer so i can't really comment on that
> Hmmmm Neverwinter nights looks good, it got 94% in PCGamer, while
> warcraft3 got 90%. Another game I want to add to my collection, looks
> like I'll have to free up some space to make room for them.
Neverwinter Nights is good...but if you're expecting a very deep and complex single player like baldur's gate 2 then you might be in for some disappointment...it's more like Icewind Dale (if you've played it) -more action orientated but in nice 3d graphics
there have also been some reported game stopping only in certain copies...such as certain key characters attacking you and unlockable doors (which are required to be opened). i haven't experienced any of these problems myself but i just thought you should know about them
because of the new third edition d&d rules your character can also become far more flexible
and as you can only one character (and one henchman) your character levels up REALLY quickly.
i've heard the single player campaign takes around 40-60 hours to complete
i haven't tried it on multiplayer so i can't really comment on that
Insane Bartender wrote:
> I've heard of it, but never had the pleasure.
>
> So many games, so little time...
I know exactly what you mean, too many good games to play at the moment, and it's hard to find the time to play them all.
Anyway, Sudden Strike is a great RTS, and a real challenge, which is one the appeals for me to the game. There's no resource management, you're just given a select amount of troops and vehicles to complete each mission, with the occasional air strike and group of reinforcements on standby.
You can check out my GAD winning reveiw of the game if you want, just follow the link.
http://special.reserve.co.uk /reviews/review.php?index=8630&custid=TRUE (remove space)
> I've heard of it, but never had the pleasure.
>
> So many games, so little time...
I know exactly what you mean, too many good games to play at the moment, and it's hard to find the time to play them all.
Anyway, Sudden Strike is a great RTS, and a real challenge, which is one the appeals for me to the game. There's no resource management, you're just given a select amount of troops and vehicles to complete each mission, with the occasional air strike and group of reinforcements on standby.
You can check out my GAD winning reveiw of the game if you want, just follow the link.
http://special.reserve.co.uk /reviews/review.php?index=8630&custid=TRUE (remove space)
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