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I've just relised I don't really understand this when they refer to a 'shoot', does that mean its real or also mean an 'angle'????
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Im not too sure. You must remember though..... when Earl was told to call for the bell because Vince didnt want Bret in the WWF anymore and so he kinda stripped Bret of the title without him knowing he was going to lose.
And so, near the end of the match, HBK put Bret in a sharpshooter and really pulled his legs so that it hurt. Then Earl Hebner called for the bell and ran off to get the title quick and gave it to HBK. They then ran off and Bret was shocked. He then started having a go at Vince and spat at him.
Remember?
It was either Suvivor Series or Summerslam, im not too sure. I think it was 1996/7 aswell.
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And so, near the end of the match, HBK put Bret in a sharpshooter and really pulled his legs so that it hurt. Then Earl Hebner called for the bell and ran off to get the title quick and gave it to HBK. They then ran off and Bret was shocked. He then started having a go at Vince and spat at him.
Remember?
It was either Suvivor Series or Summerslam, im not too sure. I think it was 1996/7 aswell.
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I don't think Goldberg was in ECW, don't you mean WCW? And as all wrestling purists will know, Goldberg only has five moves, and was stiff - don't get caught up in the manufactured winning streak, Goldberg sucks, and the WWE don't need him.
As for the Bret Hart thing, yep, that was a shoot by McMahon. Because Hart had signed a lucrative contract with WcW, Vince was scared Bret would go out on Nitro still the champ and trash the belt or something - but when he asked him to drop it to HBK at Survivor Series, Hart refused. So in the match, unscheduled, Vince made ref Earl Hebner call for the bell -'screwing' Bret. Hebner raced into a car taking him away from the arena and forever has to live with 'You screwed Bret' chants. Despite earlier stating to the contrary, HBK admitted on Confidential he was in on it. As for Vince, this acted as the springboard for his evil 'Mr. McMahon' persona, started the fued with Stone Cold, ad the rest, as they say, is history.
As for the Bret Hart thing, yep, that was a shoot by McMahon. Because Hart had signed a lucrative contract with WcW, Vince was scared Bret would go out on Nitro still the champ and trash the belt or something - but when he asked him to drop it to HBK at Survivor Series, Hart refused. So in the match, unscheduled, Vince made ref Earl Hebner call for the bell -'screwing' Bret. Hebner raced into a car taking him away from the arena and forever has to live with 'You screwed Bret' chants. Despite earlier stating to the contrary, HBK admitted on Confidential he was in on it. As for Vince, this acted as the springboard for his evil 'Mr. McMahon' persona, started the fued with Stone Cold, ad the rest, as they say, is history.
When did he do that to Bret??
Sorry, that shouldve been WCW.
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I dont really think Goldberg did it back in ECW. Maybe if someone was hurt from his attacks that it was just because of him being a bit rough or even just because he is strong and everything. Ive never heard of him actually hurting anyone though.
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Doing a shoot and being stiff are both intentionally hurting someone. People say that RVD has been being stiff on his opponents recently as every match he was in (for a few weeks) he bust someones mouth or nose or something. But, this isnt being stiff because he didnt really meen it. Probably when he is doing his kicks and he accidentally hit someone wrong. And so, doing a shoot and being stiff is intentional stuff. Not accidental.
A good example of someone being stiff.
Remember a few months ago when Perry Saturn was heard to be getting really hurt in some of his matches? Well, he was in a match on a house show against a rookie superstar from Ohio Vally Wrestling in which he really hurt this kid on purpose for some reason. And so, as punishment, the bookers booked him in a match with the Acolytes who beat him up on purpose. The bookers actually told them to do this.
e.g. Give him a powerbomb and really slam him hard onto the mat.
And so, they did.
That was a shoot. The bookers even set up another match for him to get his butt whipped again. He deserved it though.
Thats why the whole storyline came along of him going a bit mental, they said that he was dropped on his head that many times that he just lost it.
And so, then came moppy. Remember all that?
Thats the best example of a shoot and being stiff that I can remember.
Being stiff can be like really punching someone in the face instead of the open fist stuff that happens.
I think even the most contraversial moment in history was a shoot, was it not?
Bret Hart vs HBK where HBK really applied the sharpshooter to Bret and then the ref only needed to call for the bell and then everything happened from there.
I think that was Suvivor Series or something......
Anyways, a shoot or being stiff is intentionally hurting someone in wrestling.
Hope that helped a bit more.
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Doing a shoot and being stiff are both intentionally hurting someone. People say that RVD has been being stiff on his opponents recently as every match he was in (for a few weeks) he bust someones mouth or nose or something. But, this isnt being stiff because he didnt really meen it. Probably when he is doing his kicks and he accidentally hit someone wrong. And so, doing a shoot and being stiff is intentional stuff. Not accidental.
A good example of someone being stiff.
Remember a few months ago when Perry Saturn was heard to be getting really hurt in some of his matches? Well, he was in a match on a house show against a rookie superstar from Ohio Vally Wrestling in which he really hurt this kid on purpose for some reason. And so, as punishment, the bookers booked him in a match with the Acolytes who beat him up on purpose. The bookers actually told them to do this.
e.g. Give him a powerbomb and really slam him hard onto the mat.
And so, they did.
That was a shoot. The bookers even set up another match for him to get his butt whipped again. He deserved it though.
Thats why the whole storyline came along of him going a bit mental, they said that he was dropped on his head that many times that he just lost it.
And so, then came moppy. Remember all that?
Thats the best example of a shoot and being stiff that I can remember.
Being stiff can be like really punching someone in the face instead of the open fist stuff that happens.
I think even the most contraversial moment in history was a shoot, was it not?
Bret Hart vs HBK where HBK really applied the sharpshooter to Bret and then the ref only needed to call for the bell and then everything happened from there.
I think that was Suvivor Series or something......
Anyways, a shoot or being stiff is intentionally hurting someone in wrestling.
Hope that helped a bit more.
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Right again - Goldberg is notorious for his 'stiff' style, in fact it was his stiff kick to the head that ended Bret Hart's career.
In the WWE, RVD has a reputation for being a little stiff.
In the WWE, RVD has a reputation for being a little stiff.
ok I'm more educated on a 'shoot' now, thanks for all the replies :o).
Was this the kinda thing that Goldburg apparently did a lot?????? So I heared when WCW was about.
Was this the kinda thing that Goldburg apparently did a lot?????? So I heared when WCW was about.
RM18 wrote:
> Yeah, well remembered Hercules, I forgot about that. A 'shoot' match
> can be when wrestlers actually try and fight each other in a genuine
> contest.
>
> To a lesser extent, what Herc described is also called being 'stiff'
> (no laughing at the back) - where a wrestler's moves, intentioanlly or
> not, really do hurt their opponent.
Yep thats right, a noteable example of a recent 'Stiff' match was Hardcore Holly against Randy Orton, where Hardcore was told to really hurt Orton so the bookers could see how tough Orton really is.
> Yeah, well remembered Hercules, I forgot about that. A 'shoot' match
> can be when wrestlers actually try and fight each other in a genuine
> contest.
>
> To a lesser extent, what Herc described is also called being 'stiff'
> (no laughing at the back) - where a wrestler's moves, intentioanlly or
> not, really do hurt their opponent.
Yep thats right, a noteable example of a recent 'Stiff' match was Hardcore Holly against Randy Orton, where Hardcore was told to really hurt Orton so the bookers could see how tough Orton really is.
Yeah, well remembered Hercules, I forgot about that. A 'shoot' match can be when wrestlers actually try and fight each other in a genuine contest.
To a lesser extent, what Herc described is also called being 'stiff' (no laughing at the back) - where a wrestler's moves, intentioanlly or not, really do hurt their opponent.
To a lesser extent, what Herc described is also called being 'stiff' (no laughing at the back) - where a wrestler's moves, intentioanlly or not, really do hurt their opponent.
It also means like if a wrestler gets another in a submission move that they dont just do it fake. They really make it hurt.
e.g. Kurt Angle gets Edge in an ankle lock and he *really* does twist his ankle on purpose. He isnt just holding it and making a scrunched up expression along with shouting. He is punishing Egde.
This doesnt happen really though (ive only seen it twice methinks) but its just another way of explaining a shoot.
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e.g. Kurt Angle gets Edge in an ankle lock and he *really* does twist his ankle on purpose. He isnt just holding it and making a scrunched up expression along with shouting. He is punishing Egde.
This doesnt happen really though (ive only seen it twice methinks) but its just another way of explaining a shoot.
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