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"Where did british war games go to?"

Is it me or do nearly all war games have Americans characters? The only one I can think of with British soldires is Hidden and Dangerous - why are the yanks always taking the glory? My Grandad is always telling me that the Yanks think they won the war and when he sees me playing Medal of Honour he thinks it looks good - until they start talking. And I'm starting to think the same. Whatever happened to English Tommies? Have they been written out of history? Is it offensive to use proper English in a game? No, it's not, and I want to see more games with English cockney, not American. And so does Grandpa.

Don't forget, supplies from the US also went to Russia through out the war, along the coast of German held Norway. This also led to mounting British merchant Navy losses. But Russia couldn't have won the war on their own. Yes, they had the men and material to keep up a conflict for several years. But ever since they began fighting back at the Germans, six weeks after the start of Barberossa, they were begging Churchill to open up a second front. This could only be done in 1944(D-Day). But without Russia, not even the good old US of A could have won.
70% of German troops were tied up the Russian Front. 5% in Italy, and 25% in France. It was hard enough against 25% of Germans, if all 95% were on us, we wouldn't have had a chance. Plus Japan, they couldn't be ignored. They were only a few miles away from Australia at one point. If that went, you could have kissed a 1945 victory goodbye. Plus, if Japan attacked Russia from the East, the world would be a lot different today.

Russia did have enough troops, but I couldn't see them winning the entire war. Stalin was so paranoid he killed all his generals who commanded his armies, which where properly organised before they where killed. This sent the Russian army into disarray.

The army wasn't organised or prepared enough to launch a full-scale invasion on Europe, even with the amount of soldiers they had. Plus there's the fact that they didn't have enough weapons to go around their soldiers, so had to scavenge ones off dead soldiers, enemy or otherwise.

That said, many believe the battle at Stalingrad was the most important battle in the entire war, and one of the turning points of the conflict, so maybe the Russian would have played an much more important part in the campaign if the good old USA continued to ignore what was going on. It's just hard to try and predict what the future may have been like if what really happened didn't happen.

As for the French, well no matter how many weapons or troops they get, they can never seem to manage to win one of their own wars. They always need another country to bail them out. Pah.

And anyway, because the yanks supplied the weapons doesn't mean they won the won the war for us. It's not weapons, which win wars, it's a thing called tactics, and that's one of the reasons Germany lost. Germany had the best weapons of any country in the Second World War; they just didn't have the leader to use them properly.

If Hitler had been any smarter or any saner, he would have won the war. After all, the country did develop the first jet fighter, flying bombs and was on it's way to making the very first atomic weapons, all of which could have been used on America had it not joined the war and England fallen.

I've gone through enough arguments with cocky Americans with their jaded opinions about WW2 to know what went on. Russia could have taken the entire war themselves if needed, they sure had enough troops to pull it off, and they didn't care about the losses. So even without the American forces, the aliies could still have won the war. But the fact is, a large portion of our weapons came from the Americans. They were supplying us right from the start almost, as they even supplied the French, and we all know how quickly they bowed out, heh

I agree with Cipro on that one. If the UK had falled, it would have been the early 50's by the time the US had a bomber that could get to Germany. But there's no guarantee the they would still be there, what with Japan closing in and all. So what if we were a permenant aircraft carrier, the US would have been the only one if we were defeated. If the UK fell, so would Canada in the North, Australlia in the West and India in the East. If India fell, Germany and Japan would have met up, then Russia would have been in a world of hurt.

Basically, this would be in German now if it wasn't for Great Britain and her Empire.

MoJoJoJo wrote:
> As much as I hate to admit it, America DID win the war for us. They
> were supplying us with weapons/tanks etc long before they joined.
> Then, when their millions of troops came flooding across, the deal was
> done. There was no way Britain alone could've taken Normandy, not a
> chance in heck. We would have had to wait for the Russians to come
> across, and the world could be a very different place right now if
> America hadn't done their part

So because the yanks supplied a few tanks, they won the war? Bollards. Sure there might not have been a chance in heck of our country to take back Europe, but the again I can't see how America could single handily defeat Germany. Most of the major battles in WW2 where combined efforts from all allied sides, just because the yanks had more weaponry and man power doesn't mean they would have crushed the nazi reign.

If England had fallen, America would be stuffed. There would be no chance of them invading Europe to take it back, and the Russians where in no state to start a full scale attack. America would go back to closing it's eyes and wait for the first flying bombs and attack ships to land on their shores. So in actual fact, the Americans needed us just as much as we needed them. And it was the allies who won the war, sinse they all contributed something to help end it.

That’s my little rant over anyway. I tend to get a little up tight when people claim one country won the second world war single handily, and a country which got it’s ar$e kicked when it found itself alone in another war. Vietnam for example.

As much as I hate to admit it, America DID win the war for us. They were supplying us with weapons/tanks etc long before they joined. Then, when their millions of troops came flooding across, the deal was done. There was no way Britain alone could've taken Normandy, not a chance in heck. We would have had to wait for the Russians to come across, and the world could be a very different place right now if America hadn't done their part

There, I said it... I feel dirty now!

Anyway, as for the main point of the post, yes, Americans are in games too much. I heard the add-on for Wolfenstein was all British (characters, weapons etc)

And, yes, Hidden & Dangerous was great, I don't think there was an American in sight (well, maybe one or two)

Just want to say why it is. Most US game's that have Brits in are well spoked toffies. MOHAA has one. If you like common "Tommies" in games, stick to European makers. Games like Commandos, and Hidden and Dangerous come from European makers, so, there you go.

If I'm not to late to add my 'ten penneth' (old phrase meaning I'd like to say something!) Try Desert Rats (value Soft) I've only just got it 2nd hand but seems to be vvv british, stiff upper lip 'n' all that! Mind you don't take this as a vote for the game I'm only on the 1st Campaign 2nd scenario - so whaat do I know?

Hey Bob, DOD is one of my favourite games, and I can sympathise with what your saying. I however, downloaded a great, very detailed British skin pack for the allies which replaces just about everything on the allies.

All the uniforms are true to the real British counterparts, all weapons except the MG and M1 Carbine have been replaced, the best of course being the cool sten and Bren guns. The US flag have been replaced with our good old British flags, it a perfect replacement. It doesn't however replace the voices, so all the allied soldiers still speak in their American accent. A small problem as the rest of the add-on really does make up for it.

You can download it from this link (remove the space) its called British Pack 2.0, and it works with 2.1. Well worth the download.

http://www.dodmaps.com/download/index.php? showcat=3&LSID=93c6b764aca8c1e6714597df95a5c8c1

The thing that really annoyed me was DoD. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a very enjoyable game, but it annoyed me. I mean, the american flag symbolises the 'allies' as they have the cheek to call them. If these are the 'Allies' where are the british? All the weapons were american (Thompson for one)The player models all wore those daft looking american uniforms, and the voices all said things in american accents'. I really can't stand the way they came in half way through the war (and well after the turning point), help us defeat the Germans, and regain most of europe, then take all the glory for themselves.
Let's face it; could the Americans have won the war on their own? I doubt it.