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Since the Xbox launch Microsoft's first gaming console seems to have had the worst run ever.
Firstly, it dropped £100 pounds in it first month, and not many quality games have been released since launch.
However, do you think with a built in hard-drive, DVD playback and the fastest processor of them all, Xbox has the most potential to become the best games console ever?
Firstly, it dropped £100 pounds in it first month, and not many quality games have been released since launch.
However, do you think with a built in hard-drive, DVD playback and the fastest processor of them all, Xbox has the most potential to become the best games console ever?
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WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> I say there are only currently three titles worth having on Xbox.
> This is of course just me basing my view on what I like to play, but
> even so, as I see it - eight weeks after launch and there still aren't
> any significant titles appearing for the machine. Even if you view it
> as the best console launch ever, things seem to have gone incredibly
> flat now, and the novelty of those 'amazing' launch titles has also
> worn off.
Fair point, after the launch, which I personally view as being damn good, there is a quiet patch right about now. But I'm still getting through Halo, PGR and Tonty Hawks 3, with Rallisport and Amped on the way from MS.
You can't have a constant stream of top quality titles. Some would say that it took nearly a year for the first must have PS2 title to come along (GT3, which I found damn boring to be honest).
> And now with no major titles due for months, and even then appearing
> on other machines first, I just feel that MS has made one c***-up
> after another - all minor on their own, but put them together and you
> have almost a comedy of errors.
No major titles for months, depends on what sort of games you want. There's two more games that I want out in the next two months. With more due in the autumn. I guess it just depends how much you play games. I had my DC for nearly 2 years and only got 12 games for it. Simply because I don't play games *that* much, so I have to be picky about what I buy, otherwise I'll do a couple of levels and then not have time to play the rest. I'm still only on level 6 of Halo...
I expect to have 10 Xbox titles by the end of the year.
As for PS2 must have titles, the only big name game that seems to be out over the summer is FFX. Which I wouldn't get even if I did still have my PS2.
> It's considered "irrelevant" in Japan, was failing miserably
> in Europe/UK (may still be, given their continuing reluctance to give
> any sales figures), and even struggled in its own backyard in the face
> of 18-month-old hardware selling at the same price. So much so that
> I've read reports of some developers putting projects on hold until
> things improve.
I haven't heard of any projects being put on hold, but with 2 million units sold already in the US it would seem a bit drastic for developers to start cancelling titles.
As for the Europe, all went well at launch with 48,000 units sold. But figures have been a little slow to appear, which could spell bad news. However, since the price drop, I suspect the Xbox will have started selling a lot more. But we'll have to wait until official figures are released.
I think it's obvious to everyone that the Xbox won't outsell the PS2, or even come close. The PS2 has had nearly a 2 year headstart, with 11 million units sold in the US alone. What MS are aiming for, and what they will achieve, is to make the Xbox a viable platform to develop for. I feel that that they are nearly there with this, and in the next 12 months they will meet this target easily.
> Launching when they did, and promising what they did, they should at
> the very least have ensured a steady flow of high-quality titles that
> offered something new which wasn't available on other platforms. This
> would have given them a definte edge over the competition in the
> coming months. I know that the spring/summer are traditionally a
> quiet time for big-game releases, but at least the other platforms
> have *some* major titles due.
Well, what should MS have done? Released all the top games at launch (as they did do) but have a quiet couple of months? Or stagger the releases so that there's a couple of good titles at launch and one or two each week over the summer?
If you look at the release schedule for the three platforms over the next two months, none of them have a huge number of major titles. But, for me at least, the Xbox has the most.
> I say there are only currently three titles worth having on Xbox.
> This is of course just me basing my view on what I like to play, but
> even so, as I see it - eight weeks after launch and there still aren't
> any significant titles appearing for the machine. Even if you view it
> as the best console launch ever, things seem to have gone incredibly
> flat now, and the novelty of those 'amazing' launch titles has also
> worn off.
Fair point, after the launch, which I personally view as being damn good, there is a quiet patch right about now. But I'm still getting through Halo, PGR and Tonty Hawks 3, with Rallisport and Amped on the way from MS.
You can't have a constant stream of top quality titles. Some would say that it took nearly a year for the first must have PS2 title to come along (GT3, which I found damn boring to be honest).
> And now with no major titles due for months, and even then appearing
> on other machines first, I just feel that MS has made one c***-up
> after another - all minor on their own, but put them together and you
> have almost a comedy of errors.
No major titles for months, depends on what sort of games you want. There's two more games that I want out in the next two months. With more due in the autumn. I guess it just depends how much you play games. I had my DC for nearly 2 years and only got 12 games for it. Simply because I don't play games *that* much, so I have to be picky about what I buy, otherwise I'll do a couple of levels and then not have time to play the rest. I'm still only on level 6 of Halo...
I expect to have 10 Xbox titles by the end of the year.
As for PS2 must have titles, the only big name game that seems to be out over the summer is FFX. Which I wouldn't get even if I did still have my PS2.
> It's considered "irrelevant" in Japan, was failing miserably
> in Europe/UK (may still be, given their continuing reluctance to give
> any sales figures), and even struggled in its own backyard in the face
> of 18-month-old hardware selling at the same price. So much so that
> I've read reports of some developers putting projects on hold until
> things improve.
I haven't heard of any projects being put on hold, but with 2 million units sold already in the US it would seem a bit drastic for developers to start cancelling titles.
As for the Europe, all went well at launch with 48,000 units sold. But figures have been a little slow to appear, which could spell bad news. However, since the price drop, I suspect the Xbox will have started selling a lot more. But we'll have to wait until official figures are released.
I think it's obvious to everyone that the Xbox won't outsell the PS2, or even come close. The PS2 has had nearly a 2 year headstart, with 11 million units sold in the US alone. What MS are aiming for, and what they will achieve, is to make the Xbox a viable platform to develop for. I feel that that they are nearly there with this, and in the next 12 months they will meet this target easily.
> Launching when they did, and promising what they did, they should at
> the very least have ensured a steady flow of high-quality titles that
> offered something new which wasn't available on other platforms. This
> would have given them a definte edge over the competition in the
> coming months. I know that the spring/summer are traditionally a
> quiet time for big-game releases, but at least the other platforms
> have *some* major titles due.
Well, what should MS have done? Released all the top games at launch (as they did do) but have a quiet couple of months? Or stagger the releases so that there's a couple of good titles at launch and one or two each week over the summer?
If you look at the release schedule for the three platforms over the next two months, none of them have a huge number of major titles. But, for me at least, the Xbox has the most.
Your Honour wrote:
> Wookiee, at the end of the day you're in the lucky position that
> hardly any of us are in: Owning all the consoles AND having a pretty
> beefy PC to play games on as well.
True. Which is why I got a little narked at being called biased.
> Surely, when you looked at releases for the Xbox and PS2, you saw the
> overlap of titles?
I did indeed. But to be honest, I expected there to more diverse titles, possibly exclusive to Xbox, available reasonably soon after release. So far, most of the major games are available on all formats, with the others arriving first.
I say there are only currently three titles worth having on Xbox. This is of course just me basing my view on what I like to play, but even so, as I see it - eight weeks after launch and there still aren't any significant titles appearing for the machine. Even if you view it as the best console launch ever, things seem to have gone incredibly flat now, and the novelty of those 'amazing' launch titles has also worn off.
> This probably sounds harsher than it should do
Not at all!
> but perhaps you should
> have thought a little more before buying your Xbox?
Yes, you're probably 100% right. I took a chance on the Xbox, and so far it's backfired. From what I saw, I really did expect Halo to offer a lot more than it actually does. PGR as you know was an impulse buy, which did offer lots of fun, but for me hasn't had the lasting appeal of GT3.
I was also aggrieved by the price drop, and then again by the dire range of titles that MS offered as 'compensation' and the fact that they dressed it up as a "thank you".
And now with no major titles due for months, and even then appearing on other machines first, I just feel that MS has made one c***-up after another - all minor on their own, but put them together and you have almost a comedy of errors.
It's considered "irrelevant" in Japan, was failing miserably in Europe/UK (may still be, given their continuing reluctance to give any sales figures), and even struggled in its own backyard in the face of 18-month-old hardware selling at the same price. So much so that I've read reports of some developers putting projects on hold until things improve.
Launching when they did, and promising what they did, they should at the very least have ensured a steady flow of high-quality titles that offered something new which wasn't available on other platforms. This would have given them a definte edge over the competition in the coming months. I know that the spring/summer are traditionally a quiet time for big-game releases, but at least the other platforms have *some* major titles due.
But back to the point. Yes, at the end of the day, it may well be my own stupid fault for not looking at the release schedule first. But that doesn't stop me being bloody disappointed. I don't dislike the Xbox; despite what I say, I WANT it to succeed so that I haven't wasted my money. I just think that MS have got things a little wrong.
> Wookiee, at the end of the day you're in the lucky position that
> hardly any of us are in: Owning all the consoles AND having a pretty
> beefy PC to play games on as well.
True. Which is why I got a little narked at being called biased.
> Surely, when you looked at releases for the Xbox and PS2, you saw the
> overlap of titles?
I did indeed. But to be honest, I expected there to more diverse titles, possibly exclusive to Xbox, available reasonably soon after release. So far, most of the major games are available on all formats, with the others arriving first.
I say there are only currently three titles worth having on Xbox. This is of course just me basing my view on what I like to play, but even so, as I see it - eight weeks after launch and there still aren't any significant titles appearing for the machine. Even if you view it as the best console launch ever, things seem to have gone incredibly flat now, and the novelty of those 'amazing' launch titles has also worn off.
> This probably sounds harsher than it should do
Not at all!
> but perhaps you should
> have thought a little more before buying your Xbox?
Yes, you're probably 100% right. I took a chance on the Xbox, and so far it's backfired. From what I saw, I really did expect Halo to offer a lot more than it actually does. PGR as you know was an impulse buy, which did offer lots of fun, but for me hasn't had the lasting appeal of GT3.
I was also aggrieved by the price drop, and then again by the dire range of titles that MS offered as 'compensation' and the fact that they dressed it up as a "thank you".
And now with no major titles due for months, and even then appearing on other machines first, I just feel that MS has made one c***-up after another - all minor on their own, but put them together and you have almost a comedy of errors.
It's considered "irrelevant" in Japan, was failing miserably in Europe/UK (may still be, given their continuing reluctance to give any sales figures), and even struggled in its own backyard in the face of 18-month-old hardware selling at the same price. So much so that I've read reports of some developers putting projects on hold until things improve.
Launching when they did, and promising what they did, they should at the very least have ensured a steady flow of high-quality titles that offered something new which wasn't available on other platforms. This would have given them a definte edge over the competition in the coming months. I know that the spring/summer are traditionally a quiet time for big-game releases, but at least the other platforms have *some* major titles due.
But back to the point. Yes, at the end of the day, it may well be my own stupid fault for not looking at the release schedule first. But that doesn't stop me being bloody disappointed. I don't dislike the Xbox; despite what I say, I WANT it to succeed so that I haven't wasted my money. I just think that MS have got things a little wrong.
Wookiee, at the end of the day you're in the lucky position that hardly any of us are in: Owning all the consoles AND having a pretty beefy PC to play games on as well.
I have to say though, I'm surprised you went out and spent £350+ on your Xbox for just 1 game that you hadn't even tried before you bought. Now it may just be me, but that's damn risky!
Most of us can only afford 1 console. Some people, like me, can only afford 1 console and don't like playing PC games. I sit in front of a PC all day at work. The last thing I want to do in the evening is sit at a desk in front of a PC playing games.
The Xbox offers me the best of all worlds. PC style games, but being able to play in the comfort of my living roon - without having to upgrade my PC every so often. I can also play the best of the third party games, Tonty Hawks, SSX etc etc.
Surely, when you looked at releases for the Xbox and PS2, you saw the overlap of titles? Afterall, Xbox and PS2 are much closer together games wise than Xbox and GC, or PS2 and GC. Especially as you own a PC as well, there must only be able 3 games exclusive to each platform you own?
This probably sounds harsher than it should do, but perhaps you should have thought a little more before buying your Xbox?
I have to say though, I'm surprised you went out and spent £350+ on your Xbox for just 1 game that you hadn't even tried before you bought. Now it may just be me, but that's damn risky!
Most of us can only afford 1 console. Some people, like me, can only afford 1 console and don't like playing PC games. I sit in front of a PC all day at work. The last thing I want to do in the evening is sit at a desk in front of a PC playing games.
The Xbox offers me the best of all worlds. PC style games, but being able to play in the comfort of my living roon - without having to upgrade my PC every so often. I can also play the best of the third party games, Tonty Hawks, SSX etc etc.
Surely, when you looked at releases for the Xbox and PS2, you saw the overlap of titles? Afterall, Xbox and PS2 are much closer together games wise than Xbox and GC, or PS2 and GC. Especially as you own a PC as well, there must only be able 3 games exclusive to each platform you own?
This probably sounds harsher than it should do, but perhaps you should have thought a little more before buying your Xbox?
Nomad_Soul wrote:
> You might think it failed miserably, but virtually everyone on these
> forums and everyone I know who has played it rates it as one of the
> best FPS they've ever played.
That's fair enough, but I don't. That's all I'm saying. It's a very good FPS, one of the best, but not as groundbreaking as the claims say.
> I've heard people describe JSRF as many things but never as
> "boring". How can a fun and original game be boring? You may
> not like it, but boring?
Like I said - my opinion. Skate, grind, spray. Lather, rinse, repeat. I didn't buy a Dreamcast for the original, and I certainly wouldn't buy an Xbox for the sequel.
> Whether you like or not, the fact is it's the best game of its type
> around, and I suspect that only the XBOX can handle it.
Portal Runner is supposedly the best of the Army Men games, but does that mean it's any good? I didn't say the game was crap, just that I find them boring and wouldn't bother. I doubt very much that the Xbox is the only machine that can handle it, but it's irrelevant as I have no interest in the game. And I still wouldn't be interested if it were on PS2, Gamecube or PC.
> If you're saying the PS2 launch line-up was better than the XBOX then
> I'm lost for words.
I said they gave me more fun over a longer period. I bought 4 launch games, and added two more weeks later. I have 3 Xbox launch games, and there are no more on the immediate horizon. I'll leave it to you to work which machine gave me more fun at launch.
> It's almost universally accepted that the early PS2 days were a huge anti-climax.
Says you. If you can say that about the PS2, why can't I say it about the Xbox? It's all about personal preference, and for me, the PS2 was better. You need to bear in mind that from PSone to PS2 was a pretty big leap, which left a good impression. The Xbox isn't a significant leap over the PS2/Gamecube, and so far the machine has offered nothing that the others don't, whereas the PS2 did.
> So what you saying, that The Last Ninja will be [for you] the only
> XBOX game worth buying for the rest of this year?
Yup, that's about the size of it. There are other games that I would buy under normal cirumstances, but they will be available on PC and/or PS2 first, and in some cases months before Xbox. So I will be buying on those formats.
I'm not overly concerned that Xbox versions may or may not be better if the gameplay is the same. I won't buy Deus Ex on PS2 because I played it 2 years ago on PC. I won't buy GTA3 on PC because I played it on PS2 last November. See the pattern? And Xbox is getting most multi-formats after the others, hence no need to buy them.
> You might think it failed miserably, but virtually everyone on these
> forums and everyone I know who has played it rates it as one of the
> best FPS they've ever played.
That's fair enough, but I don't. That's all I'm saying. It's a very good FPS, one of the best, but not as groundbreaking as the claims say.
> I've heard people describe JSRF as many things but never as
> "boring". How can a fun and original game be boring? You may
> not like it, but boring?
Like I said - my opinion. Skate, grind, spray. Lather, rinse, repeat. I didn't buy a Dreamcast for the original, and I certainly wouldn't buy an Xbox for the sequel.
> Whether you like or not, the fact is it's the best game of its type
> around, and I suspect that only the XBOX can handle it.
Portal Runner is supposedly the best of the Army Men games, but does that mean it's any good? I didn't say the game was crap, just that I find them boring and wouldn't bother. I doubt very much that the Xbox is the only machine that can handle it, but it's irrelevant as I have no interest in the game. And I still wouldn't be interested if it were on PS2, Gamecube or PC.
> If you're saying the PS2 launch line-up was better than the XBOX then
> I'm lost for words.
I said they gave me more fun over a longer period. I bought 4 launch games, and added two more weeks later. I have 3 Xbox launch games, and there are no more on the immediate horizon. I'll leave it to you to work which machine gave me more fun at launch.
> It's almost universally accepted that the early PS2 days were a huge anti-climax.
Says you. If you can say that about the PS2, why can't I say it about the Xbox? It's all about personal preference, and for me, the PS2 was better. You need to bear in mind that from PSone to PS2 was a pretty big leap, which left a good impression. The Xbox isn't a significant leap over the PS2/Gamecube, and so far the machine has offered nothing that the others don't, whereas the PS2 did.
> So what you saying, that The Last Ninja will be [for you] the only
> XBOX game worth buying for the rest of this year?
Yup, that's about the size of it. There are other games that I would buy under normal cirumstances, but they will be available on PC and/or PS2 first, and in some cases months before Xbox. So I will be buying on those formats.
I'm not overly concerned that Xbox versions may or may not be better if the gameplay is the same. I won't buy Deus Ex on PS2 because I played it 2 years ago on PC. I won't buy GTA3 on PC because I played it on PS2 last November. See the pattern? And Xbox is getting most multi-formats after the others, hence no need to buy them.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Because of what Halo promised and failed miserably (in my view) to
> deliver.
You might think it failed miserably, but virtually everyone on these forums and everyone I know who has played it rates it as one of the best FPS they've ever played.
[JSRF] Boring as hell (in my opinion).
I've heard people describe JSRF as many things but never as "boring". How can a fun and original game be boring? You may not like it, but boring?
> I hate the sport and the games. Tedious in the extreme. Haven't
> owned or played an F1 game since the original Grand Prix on the
> Amiga.
Whether you like or not, the fact is it's the best game of its type around, and I suspect that only the XBOX can handle it.
> Be entertaining. My PS2 was hardly ever off in the first 8 weeks of
> owning it, and at least I knew there were plenty of games coming out
> that I wanted.
If you're saying the PS2 launch line-up was better than the XBOX then I'm lost for words. It's almost universally accepted that the early PS2 days were a huge anti-climax.
> The first game I've seen since launch that might actually be worth
> playing is The Last Ninja, and that's not out until Christmas.
So what you saying, that The Last Ninja will be [for you] the only XBOX game worth buying for the rest of this year? When it comes to games I like I'm hard to please and picky, but bloody hell.
> Because of what Halo promised and failed miserably (in my view) to
> deliver.
You might think it failed miserably, but virtually everyone on these forums and everyone I know who has played it rates it as one of the best FPS they've ever played.
[JSRF] Boring as hell (in my opinion).
I've heard people describe JSRF as many things but never as "boring". How can a fun and original game be boring? You may not like it, but boring?
> I hate the sport and the games. Tedious in the extreme. Haven't
> owned or played an F1 game since the original Grand Prix on the
> Amiga.
Whether you like or not, the fact is it's the best game of its type around, and I suspect that only the XBOX can handle it.
> Be entertaining. My PS2 was hardly ever off in the first 8 weeks of
> owning it, and at least I knew there were plenty of games coming out
> that I wanted.
If you're saying the PS2 launch line-up was better than the XBOX then I'm lost for words. It's almost universally accepted that the early PS2 days were a huge anti-climax.
> The first game I've seen since launch that might actually be worth
> playing is The Last Ninja, and that's not out until Christmas.
So what you saying, that The Last Ninja will be [for you] the only XBOX game worth buying for the rest of this year? When it comes to games I like I'm hard to please and picky, but bloody hell.
Nomad_Soul wrote:
> I can't understand why you are so negative. The launch line-up was
> excellent. If most of the games are not to your taste then why did you
> buy it in the first place?
Because of what Halo promised and failed miserably (in my view) to deliver.
> PGR is one of the best driving games ever.
It's very good, and it's fun, but it's not great.
> Halo is one of the best shooters ever.
It's good, but not great. MoH:AA is better, in my opinion.
> DoA3 is one of hte best fighters ever.
It's the same as DoA2 on the PS2, with extra pain due to the size of the controller and button placement.
> JSRF is one of the most original games ever.
Boring as hell (in my opinion).
> Munch's Odysee is a great platformer.
Agreed - best game on Xbox.
> Champ Manager is THE best footy management sim ever.
Available on PC, but never interested me anyway.
> The XBOX is soon to have the best F1 game ever [Grand Prix 4].
I hate the sport and the games. Tedious in the extreme. Haven't owned or played an F1 game since the original Grand Prix on the Amiga.
> What more can a console which has only been out for 8 weeks do?
Be entertaining. My PS2 was hardly ever off in the first 8 weeks of owning it, and at least I knew there were plenty of games coming out that I wanted.
> Compare that to what was available on the PS2 after a couple of months
> and I think we can start to see that your views are biased.
You can start to see whatever the hell you want. The fact is, the Xbox has so far left me underwhelmed, disappointed and disinterested. That's not a biased view in any way; it's a fact. If you enjoy yours, then good luck to you; I'm glad you haven't wasted your money. But don't start calling me biased because I don't agree.
The first game I've seen since launch that might actually be worth playing is The Last Ninja, and that's not out until Christmas. Until then, I'll just have to hope that the gathering dust doesn't cause any short circuits.
> I can't understand why you are so negative. The launch line-up was
> excellent. If most of the games are not to your taste then why did you
> buy it in the first place?
Because of what Halo promised and failed miserably (in my view) to deliver.
> PGR is one of the best driving games ever.
It's very good, and it's fun, but it's not great.
> Halo is one of the best shooters ever.
It's good, but not great. MoH:AA is better, in my opinion.
> DoA3 is one of hte best fighters ever.
It's the same as DoA2 on the PS2, with extra pain due to the size of the controller and button placement.
> JSRF is one of the most original games ever.
Boring as hell (in my opinion).
> Munch's Odysee is a great platformer.
Agreed - best game on Xbox.
> Champ Manager is THE best footy management sim ever.
Available on PC, but never interested me anyway.
> The XBOX is soon to have the best F1 game ever [Grand Prix 4].
I hate the sport and the games. Tedious in the extreme. Haven't owned or played an F1 game since the original Grand Prix on the Amiga.
> What more can a console which has only been out for 8 weeks do?
Be entertaining. My PS2 was hardly ever off in the first 8 weeks of owning it, and at least I knew there were plenty of games coming out that I wanted.
> Compare that to what was available on the PS2 after a couple of months
> and I think we can start to see that your views are biased.
You can start to see whatever the hell you want. The fact is, the Xbox has so far left me underwhelmed, disappointed and disinterested. That's not a biased view in any way; it's a fact. If you enjoy yours, then good luck to you; I'm glad you haven't wasted your money. But don't start calling me biased because I don't agree.
The first game I've seen since launch that might actually be worth playing is The Last Ninja, and that's not out until Christmas. Until then, I'll just have to hope that the gathering dust doesn't cause any short circuits.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Xbox comes a lowly third. It offers little if anything that the other
> two don't, and the software - both available and forthcoming - is
> uninspiring to say the least. MS promised so much, and it just
> doesn't deliver.
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I can't understand why you are so negative. The launch line-up was excellent. If most of the games are not to your taste then why did you buy it in the first place?
PGR is one of the best driving games ever.
Halo is one of the best shooters ever.
DoA3 is one of hte best fighters ever.
JSRF is one of the most original games ever.
Munch's Odysee is a great platformer.
Champ Manager is THE best footy management sim ever.
The XBOX is soon to have the best F1 game ever [Grand Prix 4].
What more can a console which has only been out for 8 weeks do?
Compare that to what was available on the PS2 after a couple of months and I think we can start to see that your views are biased.
> Xbox comes a lowly third. It offers little if anything that the other
> two don't, and the software - both available and forthcoming - is
> uninspiring to say the least. MS promised so much, and it just
> doesn't deliver.
*
I can't understand why you are so negative. The launch line-up was excellent. If most of the games are not to your taste then why did you buy it in the first place?
PGR is one of the best driving games ever.
Halo is one of the best shooters ever.
DoA3 is one of hte best fighters ever.
JSRF is one of the most original games ever.
Munch's Odysee is a great platformer.
Champ Manager is THE best footy management sim ever.
The XBOX is soon to have the best F1 game ever [Grand Prix 4].
What more can a console which has only been out for 8 weeks do?
Compare that to what was available on the PS2 after a couple of months and I think we can start to see that your views are biased.
0utlaw wrote:
>Just imagine if X-Box and PS2 were released at
> the same time!
A valid point, but at the end of the day they WEREN'T rleased at the same time, the PS2 was released well over a year ago!
A crucial point to be taken into account here, is the arguement that the Xbox lost out because it wasn't released in time to 'catch' the Christmas market. At the end of the day, the Xbox had been in development for years and Microsoft's researchers/executives should have known the importance of a pre-Xmas release and planned an October/November/December release.
I'm a PS2 owner (although my housemate has an Xbox which i play on frequently) and i believe the Xbox is a fantastic console. However, unless you have your head stuck in the sand (or somewhere else) you cannot deny that everywhere except the US the Xbox is failing. I wish Xbox owners would stop venting their anger on PS2 owners. The PS2 always has and always will control the console market. I believe the GameCube is the Xboxs biggest threat.
>Just imagine if X-Box and PS2 were released at
> the same time!
A valid point, but at the end of the day they WEREN'T rleased at the same time, the PS2 was released well over a year ago!
A crucial point to be taken into account here, is the arguement that the Xbox lost out because it wasn't released in time to 'catch' the Christmas market. At the end of the day, the Xbox had been in development for years and Microsoft's researchers/executives should have known the importance of a pre-Xmas release and planned an October/November/December release.
I'm a PS2 owner (although my housemate has an Xbox which i play on frequently) and i believe the Xbox is a fantastic console. However, unless you have your head stuck in the sand (or somewhere else) you cannot deny that everywhere except the US the Xbox is failing. I wish Xbox owners would stop venting their anger on PS2 owners. The PS2 always has and always will control the console market. I believe the GameCube is the Xboxs biggest threat.
0utlaw wrote:
> Exactly! If PS2 owners could get this through their "other
> console hating" skulls then the gaming world would be a happy
> place.
Let's face it, it's not just PS2 fans is it. There's enough from Xbox owners and Gamecube owners too.
I now own all three machines, and if anything, I'd say the Xbox is OVERestimated. In my view it just doesn't have the software. There are currently only three games worth having one for (remember this is MY view, I don't expect you to agree). They are Halo, Munch's and PGR.
Personally, I find PS2 is still easily top of the pile, based purely on the games available and the games due in the future.
Second is Gamecube, because it is quite simply a great, fun little machine.
Xbox comes a lowly third. It offers little if anything that the other two don't, and the software - both available and forthcoming - is uninspiring to say the least. MS promised so much, and it just doesn't deliver.
I do dislike MS, but this isn't the source of my Xbox disappointment. I was underwhelmed after first playing Halo and PGR, though they did grow on me over the first few weeks.
Now I find Halo rather tedious, and despite all the flashy lighting and "advanced" AI, it's just another FPS game. PGR I've finished most of the proper racing, and all that's left is tons of driving through cones - not what I bought a racing game for; it has only a small percentage of the lastability of GT3. Munch's Oddysee is the only thing I'll go back to, though my Xbox has now been switched off for a month, apart from looking at a OXM coverdisc.
I WANT to like the Xbox, because I don't want to have spent £300 on a white elephant, but the sudden unexpected price drop didn't exactly inspire confidence.
I refuse to sell the damn thing just yet, because the minute I do, there'll be a game announced that I simply must have. There are two future games that have got my interest on Xbox, and those aren't out until somewhere around Christmas. So it's likely to be gathering dust until then.
In the meantime, I've sent off for my bribery pack (sorry - 'thank you' pack), and will trade it in at Game for some PS2 and/or Gamecube stuff.
> Exactly! If PS2 owners could get this through their "other
> console hating" skulls then the gaming world would be a happy
> place.
Let's face it, it's not just PS2 fans is it. There's enough from Xbox owners and Gamecube owners too.
I now own all three machines, and if anything, I'd say the Xbox is OVERestimated. In my view it just doesn't have the software. There are currently only three games worth having one for (remember this is MY view, I don't expect you to agree). They are Halo, Munch's and PGR.
Personally, I find PS2 is still easily top of the pile, based purely on the games available and the games due in the future.
Second is Gamecube, because it is quite simply a great, fun little machine.
Xbox comes a lowly third. It offers little if anything that the other two don't, and the software - both available and forthcoming - is uninspiring to say the least. MS promised so much, and it just doesn't deliver.
I do dislike MS, but this isn't the source of my Xbox disappointment. I was underwhelmed after first playing Halo and PGR, though they did grow on me over the first few weeks.
Now I find Halo rather tedious, and despite all the flashy lighting and "advanced" AI, it's just another FPS game. PGR I've finished most of the proper racing, and all that's left is tons of driving through cones - not what I bought a racing game for; it has only a small percentage of the lastability of GT3. Munch's Oddysee is the only thing I'll go back to, though my Xbox has now been switched off for a month, apart from looking at a OXM coverdisc.
I WANT to like the Xbox, because I don't want to have spent £300 on a white elephant, but the sudden unexpected price drop didn't exactly inspire confidence.
I refuse to sell the damn thing just yet, because the minute I do, there'll be a game announced that I simply must have. There are two future games that have got my interest on Xbox, and those aren't out until somewhere around Christmas. So it's likely to be gathering dust until then.
In the meantime, I've sent off for my bribery pack (sorry - 'thank you' pack), and will trade it in at Game for some PS2 and/or Gamecube stuff.
It's the future of the XBOX that excites me most. It's not really about now [even though there are some great games available] - I'm looking forward to online play and new types of games like Project Ego etc.
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