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Gay people are seen as weirdoes etc... but they are human beings. They have feelings, thoughts, dreams, emotions. They cannot help being gay. Many people believe that it is by choice, wrong. It is all to do with their cromosones and they have gathered more from there mother than there father. They do not wake up one morning and think 'i'll be gay from now on'. Some people in this world are very narrow minded, and because there different it gives them the right to question there lives and actions. People like that should be discraced of themselves and should realise that they should look in the mirror and see that there not perfect. I hope that people will take this into deep consideration. Please do not think that being gay is bad just because your friends dont like it or think its sad. Have your personal feelings towards it, and let it be the right ones.
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Guyzer wrote:
> You have to admit though, getting married to someone just to cover up
> your gay is a bit sad and bang out of order on the partner.
I agree! What if YOU were the partner!
> You have to admit though, getting married to someone just to cover up
> your gay is a bit sad and bang out of order on the partner.
I agree! What if YOU were the partner!
While someones views, sexuality or attributes should not lead to anyone being treated differently to anyone else, sometimes it is brought on by themselves.
Most people wil respect a person for who they are, but there are people who will alienate others for this. I strongly disagree with this, and this is not acceptible in any circumstance.
When people try to force their views on others, thats when they will be treated differently.
Peoples views are there to be respected, but so are those views held by the majority.
I.E. I disagree with some of the views held by youth, that think an old slow car with £000's worth of stereo is a smart thing to do, but I am in no position to do so. Not only am I likely to wind up in hospital, I do not see things exactly the same way he/she might.
The point I am trying to make is, everyone holds a view, whether it be sexuality, views on race, even here on which console is best. Every view of every person must be respected, as they are held for reasons, quite often due to past events. The views of those people should be respected, but those views, no matter how strongly they are held, or for whatever reason they held, should never be forced on people.
Forcing a view on someone may work in the short term, the reasons they hold it for will not be clear, and soon they will rebel against it. People should not be treated differently for whatever view they hold, but when a view is forced onto others, thats when people start to be treated differently
Most people wil respect a person for who they are, but there are people who will alienate others for this. I strongly disagree with this, and this is not acceptible in any circumstance.
When people try to force their views on others, thats when they will be treated differently.
Peoples views are there to be respected, but so are those views held by the majority.
I.E. I disagree with some of the views held by youth, that think an old slow car with £000's worth of stereo is a smart thing to do, but I am in no position to do so. Not only am I likely to wind up in hospital, I do not see things exactly the same way he/she might.
The point I am trying to make is, everyone holds a view, whether it be sexuality, views on race, even here on which console is best. Every view of every person must be respected, as they are held for reasons, quite often due to past events. The views of those people should be respected, but those views, no matter how strongly they are held, or for whatever reason they held, should never be forced on people.
Forcing a view on someone may work in the short term, the reasons they hold it for will not be clear, and soon they will rebel against it. People should not be treated differently for whatever view they hold, but when a view is forced onto others, thats when people start to be treated differently
Justifiyer wrote:
Mr. Barrymore even got married and had kids
> just to cover it up!
Lucky git. A lot of 'normal' men don't get married because they never find anyone to love them, but Mr. Barrymore manages to do that and have two kids while being gay. :D
Mr. Barrymore even got married and had kids
> just to cover it up!
Lucky git. A lot of 'normal' men don't get married because they never find anyone to love them, but Mr. Barrymore manages to do that and have two kids while being gay. :D
Justifiyer wrote:
> Their gene(s) have made that personality and that
> type of personality is not wanting that but it all comes down to our
> genetic make-up.
No, you're wrong. Personality is shaped by environmental factors in the majority. Look at it this way;
Suppose I am given a 5 year old boy to do an experiment on for 15 years. I spend those 15 years calling him a gimp and being really abusive, and make sure that the only people he meets hate him, and engineer a schooling environment where he's shouted at by teachers and beaten up every break by pupils and universally ignored by all otherwise. Suppose I subjected someone to that and they didn't commit suicide, afterwards I imagine they would have an extremely introverted personality and very low self esteem. That personality has been entirely dictated by their environment.
I got attacked once in a park. Now I am quite wary of strangers when I walk anywhere alone. Often I don't walk down an alley at night if there's someone coming in the other direction. That part of my personality has been shaped by what happened to me, not by my genes.
> Their gene(s) have made that personality and that
> type of personality is not wanting that but it all comes down to our
> genetic make-up.
No, you're wrong. Personality is shaped by environmental factors in the majority. Look at it this way;
Suppose I am given a 5 year old boy to do an experiment on for 15 years. I spend those 15 years calling him a gimp and being really abusive, and make sure that the only people he meets hate him, and engineer a schooling environment where he's shouted at by teachers and beaten up every break by pupils and universally ignored by all otherwise. Suppose I subjected someone to that and they didn't commit suicide, afterwards I imagine they would have an extremely introverted personality and very low self esteem. That personality has been entirely dictated by their environment.
I got attacked once in a park. Now I am quite wary of strangers when I walk anywhere alone. Often I don't walk down an alley at night if there's someone coming in the other direction. That part of my personality has been shaped by what happened to me, not by my genes.
I agree with what you are saying, but i am not saying that all our genes decide what we do. For example i'm not saying we would chose a job because of our genes but then on the other hand, our brains are our personality, to have a personality it is made up of genes. Person A may want a dustman job, but Person B might not because they are different people. Their gene(s) have made that personality and that type of personality is not wanting that but it all comes down to our genetic make-up. I'm not saying we cannot chose for ourselfs, of course we are because that is us not the person next door making the decision. But the reason you person A chose that job because his genes have made that type of personality, person B did not want that job because of choice (genes). You could say person B has heard bad things about the job and that is why he didn't chose it, his genetic make-up has made him change his mind over that person saying bad things about the job, but if the person would of had different genes, genes that would make his personality stubburd and he wouldn't care what people say about the job and person B might of taken it. So really genes do make us, the genes don't make us decide but they are the genes that made us feel like that towards something. Thank you.
So to summarise, Mr. Happy, it's half-and-half between environment and gentics...
That's what I think too.
That's what I think too.
Justifyer I really do doubt that you have studied genetics for 5 years at university, but that doesn't detract from what you are saying.
Personally I think you've taken the idea a little too far. See your genes only make up half of who you are, roughly. The environment you're in plays a large role.
This can be proved with plants rather easily. Suppose I clone a plant. I now have two plants with the exact same gentical make up. I plant one in the sunlight in healthy soil which is perfect conditions for the plant. I plant the other in the shade in clay-y soil that is frequently dried out. Now the first plant will grow and be very healthy but the second plant will wither and probably have a number of nutrient-deficient diseases. In fact, to all intents and purposes you would have two entirely different plants, but they would be exactly the same genetically. Their environment has determined that.
Obviously with humans it is infinitely more complex and as such you cannot say that one gene, or set of genes will determine sexuality. However, that's not to say you are wrong. There most probably is a gene set that makes people more likely to be homosexual but it's not a cast iron thing. Imagine a lesbian woman... Are you going to tell her that she is a lesbian because of her genes, I think not because it's really rather patronising; what you are implying is that the woman cannot have made her own mind up about her sexuality. Maybe she has been raped and this has triggered off such a resentment of men that she has become a lesbian. Maybe not. Her motivations could be anything at all.
If we take your argument to its logical conclusion then you are essentially saying that humans do not have free will. You are saying that humans do not have emotions. You are denying everything that springs to mind when someone says "human". After all what are emotions but chemical imbalances in the brain? What's free will when your entire life is determined by a gene type?
That is ridiculous. I am perfectly willing to accept that a certain gene type could make people disposed to homosexuality but I'd put it in the same box as genetically disposed to cancer/criminality/etc.
They did a genetic study in a prison and discovered that over 90% of the inmates had a particular gene, which has come to be known as the gene for criminality. There's stll 10% that don't have it. Maybe they grew up in broken homes or needed to steal after developing a drug addiction. My point is that genes don't fashion every single part of you. You play a large role in it yourself, as does your environment. Sexuality isn't a genetype it's a choice.
Personally I think you've taken the idea a little too far. See your genes only make up half of who you are, roughly. The environment you're in plays a large role.
This can be proved with plants rather easily. Suppose I clone a plant. I now have two plants with the exact same gentical make up. I plant one in the sunlight in healthy soil which is perfect conditions for the plant. I plant the other in the shade in clay-y soil that is frequently dried out. Now the first plant will grow and be very healthy but the second plant will wither and probably have a number of nutrient-deficient diseases. In fact, to all intents and purposes you would have two entirely different plants, but they would be exactly the same genetically. Their environment has determined that.
Obviously with humans it is infinitely more complex and as such you cannot say that one gene, or set of genes will determine sexuality. However, that's not to say you are wrong. There most probably is a gene set that makes people more likely to be homosexual but it's not a cast iron thing. Imagine a lesbian woman... Are you going to tell her that she is a lesbian because of her genes, I think not because it's really rather patronising; what you are implying is that the woman cannot have made her own mind up about her sexuality. Maybe she has been raped and this has triggered off such a resentment of men that she has become a lesbian. Maybe not. Her motivations could be anything at all.
If we take your argument to its logical conclusion then you are essentially saying that humans do not have free will. You are saying that humans do not have emotions. You are denying everything that springs to mind when someone says "human". After all what are emotions but chemical imbalances in the brain? What's free will when your entire life is determined by a gene type?
That is ridiculous. I am perfectly willing to accept that a certain gene type could make people disposed to homosexuality but I'd put it in the same box as genetically disposed to cancer/criminality/etc.
They did a genetic study in a prison and discovered that over 90% of the inmates had a particular gene, which has come to be known as the gene for criminality. There's stll 10% that don't have it. Maybe they grew up in broken homes or needed to steal after developing a drug addiction. My point is that genes don't fashion every single part of you. You play a large role in it yourself, as does your environment. Sexuality isn't a genetype it's a choice.
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