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(sigh!) Sorry, but once again every rational person see`s the Nintendo gameplan unfold except their so-called loyal following. The plan is as follows:
Every few years they will release a games console. This console will be heralded as "the most exciting thing since sliced bread" and will be a "revoloution" or something... However, it will require fans to totally upgrade since this new system is so good it will not have any of this backward compatibility that some rivals claim a plus factor. This will include the re-buying all their older games yet again because the new system either uses a different size cartridge or a newer cd based medium.
Secondly, the system MUST be hopelessly out-of-date with no internet or DVD access by the time of release and with any luck, out-priced by its rivals - but Nintendo will appeal to its gullible fanbase yet again to support them because the other consoles CANNOT let you connect your GameBoy Advance into their systems and play your new console games onto this lesser portable one!!!
And thirdly, Nintendo happily watches the money flood in whilst secretly knowing the new system will be life expired within two years, whereupon they can offer something like a "ram expansion" pack to prop it up for another year, disregarding the fact that its rivals have been dropping prices and selling bucketloads of units because their systems were ahead of their time when released....
But none of this matters to the "Ninnies" (official Nintendo groupies who buy nothing else but Nintendo because they believe its the best) because Nintendo has already conditioned them to their way of thinking since long ago...
But what do i know, i`m merely a PC owner who enjoys the sort of quality gaming, both on and offline, that console owners can only dream about....
Every few years they will release a games console. This console will be heralded as "the most exciting thing since sliced bread" and will be a "revoloution" or something... However, it will require fans to totally upgrade since this new system is so good it will not have any of this backward compatibility that some rivals claim a plus factor. This will include the re-buying all their older games yet again because the new system either uses a different size cartridge or a newer cd based medium.
Secondly, the system MUST be hopelessly out-of-date with no internet or DVD access by the time of release and with any luck, out-priced by its rivals - but Nintendo will appeal to its gullible fanbase yet again to support them because the other consoles CANNOT let you connect your GameBoy Advance into their systems and play your new console games onto this lesser portable one!!!
And thirdly, Nintendo happily watches the money flood in whilst secretly knowing the new system will be life expired within two years, whereupon they can offer something like a "ram expansion" pack to prop it up for another year, disregarding the fact that its rivals have been dropping prices and selling bucketloads of units because their systems were ahead of their time when released....
But none of this matters to the "Ninnies" (official Nintendo groupies who buy nothing else but Nintendo because they believe its the best) because Nintendo has already conditioned them to their way of thinking since long ago...
But what do i know, i`m merely a PC owner who enjoys the sort of quality gaming, both on and offline, that console owners can only dream about....
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Cooky wrote:
> BORGDRONE wrote:
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products. Everyone soon jumps on the
> "Muppet" who disses their beloved console but at the same
> time you all failed to answer the one main point my post was making:
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
>
> erm..... Muppet!
Not really, but carry on...
> You come into a forum where EVERYONE really likes Nintendo. As a
> console manufacturer, and as a GREAT game developer!
That was not in question, a point you again missed!!!
You then think
> we should complain that we're keeping them in business!!!
Not at all, if you bothered to read the question properly i merely stated i thought Nintendo`s loyal followers could get a better deal from them...
Of course
> we want to keep them in business! They've created some of THE
> greatest games of all time! And will do doubt go on to create some
> more!
Again, this is not in dispute...
So just because YOU want to complain as your unsatisfied with
> the dull drivvel you keep getting fed on your PC, that you feel the
> need to think everyone feels like that. NO we don't! If you'd
> bothered to spend a moment actually looking round the forum you would
> see that most people are more than happy with Nintendo at the moment.
Dull drivel...??? the only drivel we get are shoddy conversions of not so brilliant console games! Although PC gaming does have some real low points with too many simulators and footy games, it can have inspirational titles like Black & White, Quake and C&C...
> With a nice affordable price tag,
True, at least they seem to be learning with that..
and some BRILLIANT games on the way,
On the way, as in "it will be ready when its ready and not before?" Does this mean NO launch titles??? surely not....
> EVERYONE is LUVIN' it!
ahh, i see... it comes with battries then...???
So go back to that empty PC forum and
> well..... go sulk! Or alternatively on May 3rd go buy a proper gaming
> system and play some new types of games, and get the blood flowing
> through your system again!
No, because even though i own a PC, it does not rule my life, and i`ll be doing something much better that day than picking up a purple box with a retro 60`s cassette player design!!!
>
> As some of you stated, yes you do have to upgrade from time to time
> some of your PC components, but most PC owners do keep their systems
> running to minimum spec for years before then buying new or
> upgrading
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
>
> You didn't buy ONE component in those 6 yrs! ................!!!!!
Well, depends what you use it for, this PC was used for a few games but it also stored home accounts until a new machine was purchased, thus it did this trouble-free for about 6 years and just under 2 months.
>
> However, look at the console market and we see machines that outdate
> quicker than bread at Tesco`s with a maximum shelf life of 3-4
> years.
>
> No, console generally last around 5 yrs monkey-boy!
Look i know we all decended from apes, but if so that makes you a "monkey-boy" too, unless your a girl, and then that means your confused...
>
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and
> outdated
> consoles.
>
> Oh yes Nintendo are the worst offender in priceyness! Cos they're
> launching their console at £300 like Sony and Mircrosoft did
> with their respective consoles.
My job at SR was inventory, pricing and stock control for the Club Shops. Now if you check the last three Nintendo console releases against their nearest rivals of the day, then the Nintendo one was always dearest. SR was allowed to fix its own rate but not by much due to the price our suppliers billed us for. This has improved but its still not great, and at the time i left we still had no set price for the Gamecube. When most companies gave in to price-drops, Nintendo were always the last.
Oh no! Wait a min! Nintendo are
> releasing it around £130!
This is good news. They seem to at last be listening to suppliers and retailers.
>
> MAN THAT's JUST SOOO PRICEY! Almost the price of a new graphics card
> for PC boy!
Can`t fault you there, but i personally would shop around before paying that much...
>
> One of you sited the GameBoy as being a successful console
> which is true, but like all Nintendo equipment, it resisted change
> until very recently with the advent of its colour screen (itself not
> a
> new idea as both Sega and Atari had dabbled there long before
> Nintendo)
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHA! You actually played on a GBA mate?
er.. Yes actually, i didn`t rate it much then, and i don`t rate it much now either...
You seriously think
> all that's changed is that it now has a colour screen?
Lets see, better resolution, more memory, fancy colours - yeah, its really pushing hand-held boundaries now!!!!!!!!
Here's some
> advice. Leave you bedroom! Go experiance the world around you a bit!
> Have some new experiances, and experiment a bit!
Advice... this should be good. oh, and its "experience" not experiance. my advice would be to seek a doctor if i had that. As for experimentation, well travel the World? Been there, done that (when i was 21). America (Las Vegas), Australia (Sydney), India and Kenya - all in two glorious months...
>
> and now the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support, oh
> and
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games - thats the other point i was trying to raise, if i want to
> watch films i use my DVD player, not my PC!!!!!!.
>
> Yer but the Gamecube doesn't just use bog standard CD's. It uses
> propiety (sp) mini DVD's. Which hold something like 1.5gig or
> something. Going that the Dreamcast disks held that much, and it
> managed to cope, and that most PS2 games still use normal CD's, then
> you'll see that that's more than enough space!
Thanks! this ACTUALLY answered back part of my main question, and improved my understanding of this new console, well done!!!
>
> Oh, and its not just Nintendo`s fault, we see Sony releasing loads
> of
> sub-standard games that fail to use its console to the full, they
> flood the market hindering sales. For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!. X-BOX, well here i
> have a problem because according to you lot i should like this like
> a
> family pet, but seriously - the technology inside this so-called
> console is Pentium 3 based. Now if you consider that its highly
> likely
> that by the end of 2002 the Pentium 5 (or whatever Intel want to
> call
> it) chipset will be out, this will make the X-BOX two years out of
> date even though its less than a year old!!!.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
>
> And EVERY PC game that's released is just BRILLIANT isn't it!
No, didn`t say that...
*cough*
Take some medicine...
> Deer Hunter *cough* Big Brother game *cough* about a million others!
Yep, they ARE bad... but i don`t think there is a million other different games on the PC. Not all older titles are still on sale, so slight OTT on the scale metthinks.... oh and your cough is getting worse!
> And you moan that the P3 in the X-Box is gonna be outdated by the P5!
> What you fail to realise spec-boy is that the chips inside a console
> are dedicated to just doing one thing. Whereas in PC's they have to
> have multiple functions, in consoles all chips inside it are dedicated
> to making a game run well and fast. That's why even if PC's increase
> to say a P5 your not going to see much difference!
To which multiple functions are you referring...? Now i know Windows stays active at all times, thus running the important con.fig and auto.exc command protocols which handle everything else, including the required driver applications for everything from the game your playing to the graphics card and the Hard Drive selected. If by your statement you`ve found a way to multi-task a copy of Max Payne, whilst having a window open to play both Worms Blast and MicroSoft Train Sim, then please let Bill Gates know...
>
> You could run 3 copies of Halo inside your PC without it breaking a
> sweat! Either your overexagerating, or you've spent a FORTUNE on your
> PC! I bet with the money spent on the thing you could have bought
> every console and a stack of games to go with each one!
My PC when new was £999. Its had new 128mb ram at £30, new refurbished 80gb HD at £19 and a new 2nd hand monitor at £45. Its still running its original GeForce 3d card with the latest patches and is a P3 600, with more than enough spec to store and run Halo, which run on the lesser spec X-BOX. Halo itself could be storeed at least 3 times on my hard drive. The size of the game is not a problem eg: Quake and Unreal - its moving the 3d graphics around onscreen which can cause problems, but then you wouldn`t want to play 3 lots of Halo on one screen anyway!. As with all PC`s its always the initial outlay of buying that first system, but after that you can pretty much do as you please. It the real obsessive gamers who constantly upgrade and spend fortunes on their kit.
>
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
>
> More like to annoy, with your narrow minded views!
Narrow minded eh? bit like your answers then. Natch.
>
> and b) to try to get you to see my point of view.
>
> Which was just oh so good!
Well, you need to be able to understand simple questions and give a simple response. Sorry to say but you failed...
>
> I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy,
>
> Then don't! Are you that feeble minded to be that easily swayed? Do
> you not watch ANY TV and noticed a thing called adverts where MILLIONS
> of big companies tell you what to buy?
So you DO watch TV, and you see these adverts telling you what to buy... have you by any chance ended up this week with a box of Weetabix, some Sanitry towels and a new car? or did you miss the commercial break during Coronation Street...????
>
> i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different,
>
> Generally we're not, but we don't go spouting b**l like this around
> everywhere trying to annoy people!
Who was i trying to annoy..? where is my question, or indeed in any of my original post do you see anything aimed specifically to annoy YOU or any other console owner. At least i didn`t call you all Muppets....
>
> but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
>
> So the fact that new GeForce graphics cards get released every half a
> year, the fact that processors keep increasing, the need for more RAM
> just increases all the time, is NOT getting shafted?
Yeah, but only if you buy them. But then we have got product choice, we can shop around, whereas you have to wait for either the official add-on or a third-party item endorsed by Nintendo. If that sort of narrow marketing is not design to squeeze excess cash from you lot who have NO OTHER CHOICE, then tell me honestly that your not being shafted as well...
>
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
>
> Don't let this guy dictate you, its time to tell HIM what YOU
> want!!!
Well, again you misunderstand. The last statement was not a "you must do this" statement, but just a way of saying if you want change in any form of retail or consumer enviroment, the easiest way to tell a company your not happy with their products or service, then TELL THEM. When Nintendo had big problems with a certain WWF game two years ago (WWF No Mercy) and most of its carts lost saved game data or characters, even BBC`s WatchDog programme got involved. Retailers like SR sent Nintendo UK all their unsold stock and got replacements, customers who wrote to them got refunds or were sent replacements as soon as possible, even though at one point SR had a three week wait before despatch. The same thing happened when the Ram Expansion packs ran out in the UK because of the release of Perfect Dark, but once again alternative arrangements were made until new packs could be shipped in the UK. Both of these incidents were smoothed out because Nintendo actually listened to the complaints and did something about it. I`m sure i need go no further than say it doesn`t hurt to try...
>
> :P
There, see - its easy to destroy someones work...
:>D
> BORGDRONE wrote:
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products. Everyone soon jumps on the
> "Muppet" who disses their beloved console but at the same
> time you all failed to answer the one main point my post was making:
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
>
> erm..... Muppet!
Not really, but carry on...
> You come into a forum where EVERYONE really likes Nintendo. As a
> console manufacturer, and as a GREAT game developer!
That was not in question, a point you again missed!!!
You then think
> we should complain that we're keeping them in business!!!
Not at all, if you bothered to read the question properly i merely stated i thought Nintendo`s loyal followers could get a better deal from them...
Of course
> we want to keep them in business! They've created some of THE
> greatest games of all time! And will do doubt go on to create some
> more!
Again, this is not in dispute...
So just because YOU want to complain as your unsatisfied with
> the dull drivvel you keep getting fed on your PC, that you feel the
> need to think everyone feels like that. NO we don't! If you'd
> bothered to spend a moment actually looking round the forum you would
> see that most people are more than happy with Nintendo at the moment.
Dull drivel...??? the only drivel we get are shoddy conversions of not so brilliant console games! Although PC gaming does have some real low points with too many simulators and footy games, it can have inspirational titles like Black & White, Quake and C&C...
> With a nice affordable price tag,
True, at least they seem to be learning with that..
and some BRILLIANT games on the way,
On the way, as in "it will be ready when its ready and not before?" Does this mean NO launch titles??? surely not....
> EVERYONE is LUVIN' it!
ahh, i see... it comes with battries then...???
So go back to that empty PC forum and
> well..... go sulk! Or alternatively on May 3rd go buy a proper gaming
> system and play some new types of games, and get the blood flowing
> through your system again!
No, because even though i own a PC, it does not rule my life, and i`ll be doing something much better that day than picking up a purple box with a retro 60`s cassette player design!!!
>
> As some of you stated, yes you do have to upgrade from time to time
> some of your PC components, but most PC owners do keep their systems
> running to minimum spec for years before then buying new or
> upgrading
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
>
> You didn't buy ONE component in those 6 yrs! ................!!!!!
Well, depends what you use it for, this PC was used for a few games but it also stored home accounts until a new machine was purchased, thus it did this trouble-free for about 6 years and just under 2 months.
>
> However, look at the console market and we see machines that outdate
> quicker than bread at Tesco`s with a maximum shelf life of 3-4
> years.
>
> No, console generally last around 5 yrs monkey-boy!
Look i know we all decended from apes, but if so that makes you a "monkey-boy" too, unless your a girl, and then that means your confused...
>
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and
> outdated
> consoles.
>
> Oh yes Nintendo are the worst offender in priceyness! Cos they're
> launching their console at £300 like Sony and Mircrosoft did
> with their respective consoles.
My job at SR was inventory, pricing and stock control for the Club Shops. Now if you check the last three Nintendo console releases against their nearest rivals of the day, then the Nintendo one was always dearest. SR was allowed to fix its own rate but not by much due to the price our suppliers billed us for. This has improved but its still not great, and at the time i left we still had no set price for the Gamecube. When most companies gave in to price-drops, Nintendo were always the last.
Oh no! Wait a min! Nintendo are
> releasing it around £130!
This is good news. They seem to at last be listening to suppliers and retailers.
>
> MAN THAT's JUST SOOO PRICEY! Almost the price of a new graphics card
> for PC boy!
Can`t fault you there, but i personally would shop around before paying that much...
>
> One of you sited the GameBoy as being a successful console
> which is true, but like all Nintendo equipment, it resisted change
> until very recently with the advent of its colour screen (itself not
> a
> new idea as both Sega and Atari had dabbled there long before
> Nintendo)
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHA! You actually played on a GBA mate?
er.. Yes actually, i didn`t rate it much then, and i don`t rate it much now either...
You seriously think
> all that's changed is that it now has a colour screen?
Lets see, better resolution, more memory, fancy colours - yeah, its really pushing hand-held boundaries now!!!!!!!!
Here's some
> advice. Leave you bedroom! Go experiance the world around you a bit!
> Have some new experiances, and experiment a bit!
Advice... this should be good. oh, and its "experience" not experiance. my advice would be to seek a doctor if i had that. As for experimentation, well travel the World? Been there, done that (when i was 21). America (Las Vegas), Australia (Sydney), India and Kenya - all in two glorious months...
>
> and now the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support, oh
> and
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games - thats the other point i was trying to raise, if i want to
> watch films i use my DVD player, not my PC!!!!!!.
>
> Yer but the Gamecube doesn't just use bog standard CD's. It uses
> propiety (sp) mini DVD's. Which hold something like 1.5gig or
> something. Going that the Dreamcast disks held that much, and it
> managed to cope, and that most PS2 games still use normal CD's, then
> you'll see that that's more than enough space!
Thanks! this ACTUALLY answered back part of my main question, and improved my understanding of this new console, well done!!!
>
> Oh, and its not just Nintendo`s fault, we see Sony releasing loads
> of
> sub-standard games that fail to use its console to the full, they
> flood the market hindering sales. For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!. X-BOX, well here i
> have a problem because according to you lot i should like this like
> a
> family pet, but seriously - the technology inside this so-called
> console is Pentium 3 based. Now if you consider that its highly
> likely
> that by the end of 2002 the Pentium 5 (or whatever Intel want to
> call
> it) chipset will be out, this will make the X-BOX two years out of
> date even though its less than a year old!!!.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
>
> And EVERY PC game that's released is just BRILLIANT isn't it!
No, didn`t say that...
*cough*
Take some medicine...
> Deer Hunter *cough* Big Brother game *cough* about a million others!
Yep, they ARE bad... but i don`t think there is a million other different games on the PC. Not all older titles are still on sale, so slight OTT on the scale metthinks.... oh and your cough is getting worse!
> And you moan that the P3 in the X-Box is gonna be outdated by the P5!
> What you fail to realise spec-boy is that the chips inside a console
> are dedicated to just doing one thing. Whereas in PC's they have to
> have multiple functions, in consoles all chips inside it are dedicated
> to making a game run well and fast. That's why even if PC's increase
> to say a P5 your not going to see much difference!
To which multiple functions are you referring...? Now i know Windows stays active at all times, thus running the important con.fig and auto.exc command protocols which handle everything else, including the required driver applications for everything from the game your playing to the graphics card and the Hard Drive selected. If by your statement you`ve found a way to multi-task a copy of Max Payne, whilst having a window open to play both Worms Blast and MicroSoft Train Sim, then please let Bill Gates know...
>
> You could run 3 copies of Halo inside your PC without it breaking a
> sweat! Either your overexagerating, or you've spent a FORTUNE on your
> PC! I bet with the money spent on the thing you could have bought
> every console and a stack of games to go with each one!
My PC when new was £999. Its had new 128mb ram at £30, new refurbished 80gb HD at £19 and a new 2nd hand monitor at £45. Its still running its original GeForce 3d card with the latest patches and is a P3 600, with more than enough spec to store and run Halo, which run on the lesser spec X-BOX. Halo itself could be storeed at least 3 times on my hard drive. The size of the game is not a problem eg: Quake and Unreal - its moving the 3d graphics around onscreen which can cause problems, but then you wouldn`t want to play 3 lots of Halo on one screen anyway!. As with all PC`s its always the initial outlay of buying that first system, but after that you can pretty much do as you please. It the real obsessive gamers who constantly upgrade and spend fortunes on their kit.
>
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
>
> More like to annoy, with your narrow minded views!
Narrow minded eh? bit like your answers then. Natch.
>
> and b) to try to get you to see my point of view.
>
> Which was just oh so good!
Well, you need to be able to understand simple questions and give a simple response. Sorry to say but you failed...
>
> I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy,
>
> Then don't! Are you that feeble minded to be that easily swayed? Do
> you not watch ANY TV and noticed a thing called adverts where MILLIONS
> of big companies tell you what to buy?
So you DO watch TV, and you see these adverts telling you what to buy... have you by any chance ended up this week with a box of Weetabix, some Sanitry towels and a new car? or did you miss the commercial break during Coronation Street...????
>
> i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different,
>
> Generally we're not, but we don't go spouting b**l like this around
> everywhere trying to annoy people!
Who was i trying to annoy..? where is my question, or indeed in any of my original post do you see anything aimed specifically to annoy YOU or any other console owner. At least i didn`t call you all Muppets....
>
> but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
>
> So the fact that new GeForce graphics cards get released every half a
> year, the fact that processors keep increasing, the need for more RAM
> just increases all the time, is NOT getting shafted?
Yeah, but only if you buy them. But then we have got product choice, we can shop around, whereas you have to wait for either the official add-on or a third-party item endorsed by Nintendo. If that sort of narrow marketing is not design to squeeze excess cash from you lot who have NO OTHER CHOICE, then tell me honestly that your not being shafted as well...
>
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
>
> Don't let this guy dictate you, its time to tell HIM what YOU
> want!!!
Well, again you misunderstand. The last statement was not a "you must do this" statement, but just a way of saying if you want change in any form of retail or consumer enviroment, the easiest way to tell a company your not happy with their products or service, then TELL THEM. When Nintendo had big problems with a certain WWF game two years ago (WWF No Mercy) and most of its carts lost saved game data or characters, even BBC`s WatchDog programme got involved. Retailers like SR sent Nintendo UK all their unsold stock and got replacements, customers who wrote to them got refunds or were sent replacements as soon as possible, even though at one point SR had a three week wait before despatch. The same thing happened when the Ram Expansion packs ran out in the UK because of the release of Perfect Dark, but once again alternative arrangements were made until new packs could be shipped in the UK. Both of these incidents were smoothed out because Nintendo actually listened to the complaints and did something about it. I`m sure i need go no further than say it doesn`t hurt to try...
>
> :P
There, see - its easy to destroy someones work...
:>D
Okay, first up: Sorry to Edgy, i did mean to print your name in my comments and no, i didn`t think you were being nasty in your reply - it was a well thought out piece of writing...
Which brings me to the next two "people"...!!!
Now, i don`t know how you conduct yourselves generally, but if your attitude, rudeness and silly name-calling get you through life (providing you actually do have one away from your beloved console) the same way you use the chatrooms at Special Reserve, especially to me who has come here to have a discussion about the state of play between consoles and PC`s, then i really hope the people you share that life with treat you the same way.
In no time that i`ve used this chatroom have two people been blatently so rude, and in my day when i worked at Special Reserve (1998 - 2001) people like Steve Slack, Internet & Freeola Manager, would not of allowed this sort of behavior from its site users. You both seem more concerned with ripping my comments to shreds, which i agree are not brilliant but then i was looking for answers to my questions anyway, if only to enlighten myself, and at the same time find every oppertunity to rubbish me without even given it a second thought. To me you have let down the other users of this chat forum with your appalling manners which i`m sure even some of them who HAVE replied and answered some of my questions would agree you do NOT represent the majority of friendly Nintendo users on this site.
But your actions have not gone un-noticed. Now i don`t mind a bit of "stick" for posting on this forum with a topic that was bound to annoy some of you, but to take this annoyance and then vent it out on me like you have is something i will NOT stand for.
If you both retract your use of terms like "monkey-boy", chimp and Muppet for which there was no need for, just simply putting your reply across was enough, then i will in turn NEVER post on this forum again, just stay on the ones they are not rude on. If you do not, then i have two e-mail`s in my send-box with attachments of your comments with them to go to a couple of Managers at Reserve that i still keep in touch with, asking them to contact you regarding your online behavior. I really don`t want to send them, so please do a decent thing for once and just say "sorry". This is NOT a threat, just a request...
Incidentally, i`m no console virgin - if you can remember the old Phillips VideoPac system, that was my first console!, since then i had Commodore Vic20 and 64 computers, Sega Master system (which broke!), an Atari Lynx, Atari 520STFM, Amiga 500, Amiga A1200 and then PC`s. I also had one of the first GameBoys, but sold it and got a GameGear instead which was the last console i got. I nearly had a SNES, but decided to go down the PC road instead. All in all some 20 odd years of gaming experience on various formats...
All i want was civil answers, not the replies like you gave which gave me no more information to what i was asking and were simply done to "have a go..."
Which brings me to the next two "people"...!!!
Now, i don`t know how you conduct yourselves generally, but if your attitude, rudeness and silly name-calling get you through life (providing you actually do have one away from your beloved console) the same way you use the chatrooms at Special Reserve, especially to me who has come here to have a discussion about the state of play between consoles and PC`s, then i really hope the people you share that life with treat you the same way.
In no time that i`ve used this chatroom have two people been blatently so rude, and in my day when i worked at Special Reserve (1998 - 2001) people like Steve Slack, Internet & Freeola Manager, would not of allowed this sort of behavior from its site users. You both seem more concerned with ripping my comments to shreds, which i agree are not brilliant but then i was looking for answers to my questions anyway, if only to enlighten myself, and at the same time find every oppertunity to rubbish me without even given it a second thought. To me you have let down the other users of this chat forum with your appalling manners which i`m sure even some of them who HAVE replied and answered some of my questions would agree you do NOT represent the majority of friendly Nintendo users on this site.
But your actions have not gone un-noticed. Now i don`t mind a bit of "stick" for posting on this forum with a topic that was bound to annoy some of you, but to take this annoyance and then vent it out on me like you have is something i will NOT stand for.
If you both retract your use of terms like "monkey-boy", chimp and Muppet for which there was no need for, just simply putting your reply across was enough, then i will in turn NEVER post on this forum again, just stay on the ones they are not rude on. If you do not, then i have two e-mail`s in my send-box with attachments of your comments with them to go to a couple of Managers at Reserve that i still keep in touch with, asking them to contact you regarding your online behavior. I really don`t want to send them, so please do a decent thing for once and just say "sorry". This is NOT a threat, just a request...
Incidentally, i`m no console virgin - if you can remember the old Phillips VideoPac system, that was my first console!, since then i had Commodore Vic20 and 64 computers, Sega Master system (which broke!), an Atari Lynx, Atari 520STFM, Amiga 500, Amiga A1200 and then PC`s. I also had one of the first GameBoys, but sold it and got a GameGear instead which was the last console i got. I nearly had a SNES, but decided to go down the PC road instead. All in all some 20 odd years of gaming experience on various formats...
All i want was civil answers, not the replies like you gave which gave me no more information to what i was asking and were simply done to "have a go..."
If you like PC style games, buy a PC (or an Xbox)
If you like Nintendo games, buy a Gamecube.
It's not difficult, folks.
Who gives a damn about the way the console is marketed, or that it may be obselete in 5 years. Hell, I only would have paid £135 for it. I bought a cheap PC for £450 a couple of years ago, and I can't buy any new games for it now. That's three times the cost of the Gamecube, and it lasted less than half of the time.
But hey, it's not about maths, marketing, monopolies, and the like, to me it's about the games, and I'll keep buying Nintendo consoles as long as they continue to innovate and offer more than realistic racers and violent beat 'em-ups.
If you like Nintendo games, buy a Gamecube.
It's not difficult, folks.
Who gives a damn about the way the console is marketed, or that it may be obselete in 5 years. Hell, I only would have paid £135 for it. I bought a cheap PC for £450 a couple of years ago, and I can't buy any new games for it now. That's three times the cost of the Gamecube, and it lasted less than half of the time.
But hey, it's not about maths, marketing, monopolies, and the like, to me it's about the games, and I'll keep buying Nintendo consoles as long as they continue to innovate and offer more than realistic racers and violent beat 'em-ups.
BORGDRONE wrote:
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products. Everyone soon jumps on the
> "Muppet" who disses their beloved console but at the same
> time you all failed to answer the one main point my post was making:
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
erm..... Muppet!
You come into a forum where EVERYONE really likes Nintendo. As a console manufacturer, and as a GREAT game developer! You then think we should complain that we're keeping them in business!!! Of course we want to keep them in business! They've created some of THE greatest games of all time! And will do doubt go on to create some more! So just because YOU want to complain as your unsatisfied with the dull drivvel you keep getting fed on your PC, that you feel the need to think everyone feels like that. NO we don't! If you'd bothered to spend a moment actually looking round the forum you would see that most people are more than happy with Nintendo at the moment. With a nice affordable price tag, and some BRILLIANT games on the way, EVERYONE is LUVIN' it! So go back to that empty PC forum and well..... go sulk! Or alternatively on May 3rd go buy a proper gaming system and play some new types of games, and get the blood flowing through your system again!
> As some of you stated, yes you do have to upgrade from time to time
> some of your PC components, but most PC owners do keep their systems
> running to minimum spec for years before then buying new or upgrading
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
You didn't buy ONE component in those 6 yrs! ................!!!!!
> However, look at the console market and we see machines that outdate
> quicker than bread at Tesco`s with a maximum shelf life of 3-4 years.
No, console generally last around 5 yrs monkey-boy!
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and outdated
> consoles.
Oh yes Nintendo are the worst offender in priceyness! Cos they're launching their console at £300 like Sony and Mircrosoft did with their respective consoles. Oh no! Wait a min! Nintendo are releasing it around £130!
MAN THAT's JUST SOOO PRICEY! Almost the price of a new graphics card for PC boy!
> One of you sited the GameBoy as being a successful console
> which is true, but like all Nintendo equipment, it resisted change
> until very recently with the advent of its colour screen (itself not a
> new idea as both Sega and Atari had dabbled there long before
> Nintendo)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! You actually played on a GBA mate? You seriously think all that's changed is that it now has a colour screen? Here's some advice. Leave you bedroom! Go experiance the world around you a bit! Have some new experiances, and experiment a bit!
> and now the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support, oh and
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games - thats the other point i was trying to raise, if i want to
> watch films i use my DVD player, not my PC!!!!!!.
Yer but the Gamecube doesn't just use bog standard CD's. It uses propiety (sp) mini DVD's. Which hold something like 1.5gig or something. Going that the Dreamcast disks held that much, and it managed to cope, and that most PS2 games still use normal CD's, then you'll see that that's more than enough space!
> Oh, and its not just Nintendo`s fault, we see Sony releasing loads of
> sub-standard games that fail to use its console to the full, they
> flood the market hindering sales. For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!. X-BOX, well here i
> have a problem because according to you lot i should like this like a
> family pet, but seriously - the technology inside this so-called
> console is Pentium 3 based. Now if you consider that its highly likely
> that by the end of 2002 the Pentium 5 (or whatever Intel want to call
> it) chipset will be out, this will make the X-BOX two years out of
> date even though its less than a year old!!!.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
And EVERY PC game that's released is just BRILLIANT isn't it! *cough* Deer Hunter *cough* Big Brother game *cough* about a million others!
And you moan that the P3 in the X-Box is gonna be outdated by the P5! What you fail to realise spec-boy is that the chips inside a console are dedicated to just doing one thing. Whereas in PC's they have to have multiple functions, in consoles all chips inside it are dedicated to making a game run well and fast. That's why even if PC's increase to say a P5 your not going to see much difference!
You could run 3 copies of Halo inside your PC without it breaking a sweat! Either your overexagerating, or you've spent a FORTUNE on your PC! I bet with the money spent on the thing you could have bought every console and a stack of games to go with each one!
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
More like to annoy, with your narrow minded views!
> and b) to try to get you to see my point of view.
Which was just oh so good!
> I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy,
Then don't! Are you that feeble minded to be that easily swayed? Do you not watch ANY TV and noticed a thing called adverts where MILLIONS of big companies tell you what to buy?
> i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different,
Generally we're not, but we don't go spouting b**l like this around everywhere trying to annoy people!
> but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
So the fact that new GeForce graphics cards get released every half a year, the fact that processors keep increasing, the need for more RAM just increases all the time, is NOT getting shafted?
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
Don't let this guy dictate you, its time to tell HIM what YOU want!!!
:P
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products. Everyone soon jumps on the
> "Muppet" who disses their beloved console but at the same
> time you all failed to answer the one main point my post was making:
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
erm..... Muppet!
You come into a forum where EVERYONE really likes Nintendo. As a console manufacturer, and as a GREAT game developer! You then think we should complain that we're keeping them in business!!! Of course we want to keep them in business! They've created some of THE greatest games of all time! And will do doubt go on to create some more! So just because YOU want to complain as your unsatisfied with the dull drivvel you keep getting fed on your PC, that you feel the need to think everyone feels like that. NO we don't! If you'd bothered to spend a moment actually looking round the forum you would see that most people are more than happy with Nintendo at the moment. With a nice affordable price tag, and some BRILLIANT games on the way, EVERYONE is LUVIN' it! So go back to that empty PC forum and well..... go sulk! Or alternatively on May 3rd go buy a proper gaming system and play some new types of games, and get the blood flowing through your system again!
> As some of you stated, yes you do have to upgrade from time to time
> some of your PC components, but most PC owners do keep their systems
> running to minimum spec for years before then buying new or upgrading
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
You didn't buy ONE component in those 6 yrs! ................!!!!!
> However, look at the console market and we see machines that outdate
> quicker than bread at Tesco`s with a maximum shelf life of 3-4 years.
No, console generally last around 5 yrs monkey-boy!
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and outdated
> consoles.
Oh yes Nintendo are the worst offender in priceyness! Cos they're launching their console at £300 like Sony and Mircrosoft did with their respective consoles. Oh no! Wait a min! Nintendo are releasing it around £130!
MAN THAT's JUST SOOO PRICEY! Almost the price of a new graphics card for PC boy!
> One of you sited the GameBoy as being a successful console
> which is true, but like all Nintendo equipment, it resisted change
> until very recently with the advent of its colour screen (itself not a
> new idea as both Sega and Atari had dabbled there long before
> Nintendo)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! You actually played on a GBA mate? You seriously think all that's changed is that it now has a colour screen? Here's some advice. Leave you bedroom! Go experiance the world around you a bit! Have some new experiances, and experiment a bit!
> and now the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support, oh and
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games - thats the other point i was trying to raise, if i want to
> watch films i use my DVD player, not my PC!!!!!!.
Yer but the Gamecube doesn't just use bog standard CD's. It uses propiety (sp) mini DVD's. Which hold something like 1.5gig or something. Going that the Dreamcast disks held that much, and it managed to cope, and that most PS2 games still use normal CD's, then you'll see that that's more than enough space!
> Oh, and its not just Nintendo`s fault, we see Sony releasing loads of
> sub-standard games that fail to use its console to the full, they
> flood the market hindering sales. For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!. X-BOX, well here i
> have a problem because according to you lot i should like this like a
> family pet, but seriously - the technology inside this so-called
> console is Pentium 3 based. Now if you consider that its highly likely
> that by the end of 2002 the Pentium 5 (or whatever Intel want to call
> it) chipset will be out, this will make the X-BOX two years out of
> date even though its less than a year old!!!.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
And EVERY PC game that's released is just BRILLIANT isn't it! *cough* Deer Hunter *cough* Big Brother game *cough* about a million others!
And you moan that the P3 in the X-Box is gonna be outdated by the P5! What you fail to realise spec-boy is that the chips inside a console are dedicated to just doing one thing. Whereas in PC's they have to have multiple functions, in consoles all chips inside it are dedicated to making a game run well and fast. That's why even if PC's increase to say a P5 your not going to see much difference!
You could run 3 copies of Halo inside your PC without it breaking a sweat! Either your overexagerating, or you've spent a FORTUNE on your PC! I bet with the money spent on the thing you could have bought every console and a stack of games to go with each one!
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
More like to annoy, with your narrow minded views!
> and b) to try to get you to see my point of view.
Which was just oh so good!
> I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy,
Then don't! Are you that feeble minded to be that easily swayed? Do you not watch ANY TV and noticed a thing called adverts where MILLIONS of big companies tell you what to buy?
> i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different,
Generally we're not, but we don't go spouting b**l like this around everywhere trying to annoy people!
> but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
So the fact that new GeForce graphics cards get released every half a year, the fact that processors keep increasing, the need for more RAM just increases all the time, is NOT getting shafted?
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
Don't let this guy dictate you, its time to tell HIM what YOU want!!!
:P
BORGDRONE wrote:
> As for the PC compatibility woes, yes there are plenty!!! But i`m
> sure the person who said that Command & Conquer and Red Alert
> didn`t work because they required DOS must of overlooked that Command
> & Conquer was re-released in a user-friendly Windows 95 version
> and that Red Alert was released with both DOS and Windows 95
> together.
>
I didn't overlook that fact. Bearing in mind I've got those versions. I set compatability modes to Windows 95, set screen resolution and total number of colours to 256, and basically did every combination Windows XP allows you to do for Command & Conquer 95 and Command & Conquer Red Alert 95, and both said a line in the Kernel file was missing whenever I tried to run them Bearing in mind I also installed the games on Windows 95 compatability. Oh, I have a name! It's Edgy. E-D-G-Y. Got it?
> And i must add that in none of my postings have i said that the PC is
> best, i know its limitations. But one of you said that you couldn`t do
> anymore with a PC than you could a console, and that it really is a
> glorified console itself. Sorry, but that simply is not correct...
> I accept most of you will only play games thus a console is fine for
> this because thats largely all they do (some can run DVD and the
> internet) but with add-ons like Digital cameras, internet &
> website connections, scanners, printers and music applications, plus
> many others things to expand your system i`d hardly call it a
> "console".
If that's what I said, then I'm sure looking back at my post, you'll see I mentioned it in a gaming sense.
> True, it dates as soon as you buy it, but with careful upgrading (a
> bit of ram here, a larger hard drive there) by shopping around for
> cheap prices like at Reserve, i`d wonder if a PC system could ever
> truely be called outdated. Once past the initial outlay in cost for a
> system, and with largely cheaper games than consoles, it is a
> relatively inexpensive platform to keep. Certainly a better prospect
> than shelling out £300 plus every couple of years to keep up
> with the Jones`s.
>
Upgrade 3D card - £70. Upgrade sound card - £50. Upgrade processor, and to make sure it's compatable get a new motherboard - £300+
It's cheaper to buy a new console every 6 years than to upgrade all the necessary in a computer every 6 years or so. Infact, you'll end up haivng a totally new computer in the same old shell, which would make it much better to buy a second PC to network with the old for network play gaming. But that's another matter.
> I think consoles ARE a good way for pure, simple gamimg fun - but the
> manufactuers are certainly ripping you all off by giving products that
> really should be more cutting edge than many claim them to be, and by
> giving better value for money...
Nintendo isn't doing that. Nintendo are just giving away a good value piece of hardware that can play videogames. It's a cheap price at £130, and for what's inside it, you can't call that bad value.
> As for the PC compatibility woes, yes there are plenty!!! But i`m
> sure the person who said that Command & Conquer and Red Alert
> didn`t work because they required DOS must of overlooked that Command
> & Conquer was re-released in a user-friendly Windows 95 version
> and that Red Alert was released with both DOS and Windows 95
> together.
>
I didn't overlook that fact. Bearing in mind I've got those versions. I set compatability modes to Windows 95, set screen resolution and total number of colours to 256, and basically did every combination Windows XP allows you to do for Command & Conquer 95 and Command & Conquer Red Alert 95, and both said a line in the Kernel file was missing whenever I tried to run them Bearing in mind I also installed the games on Windows 95 compatability. Oh, I have a name! It's Edgy. E-D-G-Y. Got it?
> And i must add that in none of my postings have i said that the PC is
> best, i know its limitations. But one of you said that you couldn`t do
> anymore with a PC than you could a console, and that it really is a
> glorified console itself. Sorry, but that simply is not correct...
> I accept most of you will only play games thus a console is fine for
> this because thats largely all they do (some can run DVD and the
> internet) but with add-ons like Digital cameras, internet &
> website connections, scanners, printers and music applications, plus
> many others things to expand your system i`d hardly call it a
> "console".
If that's what I said, then I'm sure looking back at my post, you'll see I mentioned it in a gaming sense.
> True, it dates as soon as you buy it, but with careful upgrading (a
> bit of ram here, a larger hard drive there) by shopping around for
> cheap prices like at Reserve, i`d wonder if a PC system could ever
> truely be called outdated. Once past the initial outlay in cost for a
> system, and with largely cheaper games than consoles, it is a
> relatively inexpensive platform to keep. Certainly a better prospect
> than shelling out £300 plus every couple of years to keep up
> with the Jones`s.
>
Upgrade 3D card - £70. Upgrade sound card - £50. Upgrade processor, and to make sure it's compatable get a new motherboard - £300+
It's cheaper to buy a new console every 6 years than to upgrade all the necessary in a computer every 6 years or so. Infact, you'll end up haivng a totally new computer in the same old shell, which would make it much better to buy a second PC to network with the old for network play gaming. But that's another matter.
> I think consoles ARE a good way for pure, simple gamimg fun - but the
> manufactuers are certainly ripping you all off by giving products that
> really should be more cutting edge than many claim them to be, and by
> giving better value for money...
Nintendo isn't doing that. Nintendo are just giving away a good value piece of hardware that can play videogames. It's a cheap price at £130, and for what's inside it, you can't call that bad value.
Here we go again...
BORGDRONE wrote:
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products.
Yeah, good luck with that, but there aren't a whole lot of the points that seem valid.
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
Having failed to convince anyone of any particularly bad treatment, nobody really sees much to complain about. No company is perfect, they're all out to make a profit, but we've done ranting about the problems, for now, life is good.
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
it's common for consoles to stretch to 6 year lifespans. If you've upgraded your pc at all (ram, new HDD, graphics card or anything) then while a console has lasted 6 years in its original condition, you actually disprove your point by your pc, in your opinion, not being good enough to last this time without changing bits of it. And even if you didn't do a thing to it, you're still only level with a console.
>a maximum shelf life of 3-4 years.
get your facts straight before you spout tripe like this.
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and outdated
> consoles.
If that's your opinion, fair enough. But don't assume it to be anybody else's, and don't assume it to be conclusively right.
>the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support,
once again, please get your facts straight before writing spam like this. The gamecube has both 56k and broadband modems ready for when their network is ready.
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games
of course, my bad, it's completely impossible for games to be spread across multiple disks. It has never been done before on several occasions before now.
> For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!.
And the worst thing is, we have no choice at all in what games we buy.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
Yeah, and if you never bought the thing in the first place, you could have bought 3 xboxes for £600 and been able to run your 3 games of halo with a whole lot more money in your pocket.
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
chimp
>and b) to try to get you to see my point of view. I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy, i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different, but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
Why don't you just not buy what they tell you to then? Oh, sorry, because if they tell you that you need a pc that can run 3 games of halo, you can't argue with that kind of pursuasion.
Meanwhile the rest of us will decide what we want to buy while exercising our own free will, while the console manufacturers drag themselves into a price war that guarantees superior value for us all.
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
How about we don't let YOU dictate us. We've made our decision, and while we could change that decision, it won't be done with an argument as weak as yours.
Perhaps you should consider that rather than following your instructions and telling 'THEM' what we want, everyone who's posted a response in this thread is telling 'YOU' what we want. No more of these topics.
BORGDRONE wrote:
> I`m actually trying to post some valid points about the way Nintendo
> market and sell their products.
Yeah, good luck with that, but there aren't a whole lot of the points that seem valid.
> SHOULDN`T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS TREATMENT SINCE ITS YOUR MONEY
> KEEPING THEM IN BUSINESS??????
Having failed to convince anyone of any particularly bad treatment, nobody really sees much to complain about. No company is perfect, they're all out to make a profit, but we've done ranting about the problems, for now, life is good.
> - my last PC last 6 years!!!
it's common for consoles to stretch to 6 year lifespans. If you've upgraded your pc at all (ram, new HDD, graphics card or anything) then while a console has lasted 6 years in its original condition, you actually disprove your point by your pc, in your opinion, not being good enough to last this time without changing bits of it. And even if you didn't do a thing to it, you're still only level with a console.
>a maximum shelf life of 3-4 years.
get your facts straight before you spout tripe like this.
> And i`m sorry if this sounds picky but Nintendo has been one of the
> worst offenders with a long line of pricey, incompatible and outdated
> consoles.
If that's your opinion, fair enough. But don't assume it to be anybody else's, and don't assume it to be conclusively right.
>the GameCube which although now uses a CD based games
> system certainly has a major oversight with NO online support,
once again, please get your facts straight before writing spam like this. The gamecube has both 56k and broadband modems ready for when their network is ready.
> DVD is not just for films - its disc`s compact information tighter
> than ordinary CD`s and therefore store more information, thus better
> games
of course, my bad, it's completely impossible for games to be spread across multiple disks. It has never been done before on several occasions before now.
> For every 2 or 3 good PS2 games
> there has to be at least 12 or 15 stinkers!!!.
And the worst thing is, we have no choice at all in what games we buy.
> And right now i could run 3 copies of Halo inside my PC without it
> breaking a sweat!!!
Yeah, and if you never bought the thing in the first place, you could have bought 3 xboxes for £600 and been able to run your 3 games of halo with a whole lot more money in your pocket.
> I suppose the main reason for my original rant was a) to get your
> attention,
chimp
>and b) to try to get you to see my point of view. I don`t
> like big companies telling me what to buy, i don`t see why console
> owners should be any different, but while you happily pay them your
> money without a question asked, they will keep shafting you.
Why don't you just not buy what they tell you to then? Oh, sorry, because if they tell you that you need a pc that can run 3 games of halo, you can't argue with that kind of pursuasion.
Meanwhile the rest of us will decide what we want to buy while exercising our own free will, while the console manufacturers drag themselves into a price war that guarantees superior value for us all.
> Don`t let them dictate you, its time to tell THEM what YOU want!!!.
How about we don't let YOU dictate us. We've made our decision, and while we could change that decision, it won't be done with an argument as weak as yours.
Perhaps you should consider that rather than following your instructions and telling 'THEM' what we want, everyone who's posted a response in this thread is telling 'YOU' what we want. No more of these topics.
I`m glad to see some of you have replied with sensible unbiased reactions, but i`m also glad that Cyclone enjoys his games (don`t give me that "trekkieboy" crap though, i`ve heard all that before) but also completely shows exactly the mentality i was talking about: He/she is so clouded with the opinion that Nintendo`s series of consoles cannot be beaten.
As for the PC compatibility woes, yes there are plenty!!! But i`m sure the person who said that Command & Conquer and Red Alert didn`t work because they required DOS must of overlooked that Command & Conquer was re-released in a user-friendly Windows 95 version and that Red Alert was released with both DOS and Windows 95 together.
And i must add that in none of my postings have i said that the PC is best, i know its limitations. But one of you said that you couldn`t do anymore with a PC than you could a console, and that it really is a glorified console itself. Sorry, but that simply is not correct...
I accept most of you will only play games thus a console is fine for this because thats largely all they do (some can run DVD and the internet) but with add-ons like Digital cameras, internet & website connections, scanners, printers and music applications, plus many others things to expand your system i`d hardly call it a "console".
True, it dates as soon as you buy it, but with careful upgrading (a bit of ram here, a larger hard drive there) by shopping around for cheap prices like at Reserve, i`d wonder if a PC system could ever truely be called outdated. Once past the initial outlay in cost for a system, and with largely cheaper games than consoles, it is a relatively inexpensive platform to keep. Certainly a better prospect than shelling out £300 plus every couple of years to keep up with the Jones`s.
I think consoles ARE a good way for pure, simple gamimg fun - but the manufactuers are certainly ripping you all off by giving products that really should be more cutting edge than many claim them to be, and by giving better value for money...
As for the PC compatibility woes, yes there are plenty!!! But i`m sure the person who said that Command & Conquer and Red Alert didn`t work because they required DOS must of overlooked that Command & Conquer was re-released in a user-friendly Windows 95 version and that Red Alert was released with both DOS and Windows 95 together.
And i must add that in none of my postings have i said that the PC is best, i know its limitations. But one of you said that you couldn`t do anymore with a PC than you could a console, and that it really is a glorified console itself. Sorry, but that simply is not correct...
I accept most of you will only play games thus a console is fine for this because thats largely all they do (some can run DVD and the internet) but with add-ons like Digital cameras, internet & website connections, scanners, printers and music applications, plus many others things to expand your system i`d hardly call it a "console".
True, it dates as soon as you buy it, but with careful upgrading (a bit of ram here, a larger hard drive there) by shopping around for cheap prices like at Reserve, i`d wonder if a PC system could ever truely be called outdated. Once past the initial outlay in cost for a system, and with largely cheaper games than consoles, it is a relatively inexpensive platform to keep. Certainly a better prospect than shelling out £300 plus every couple of years to keep up with the Jones`s.
I think consoles ARE a good way for pure, simple gamimg fun - but the manufactuers are certainly ripping you all off by giving products that really should be more cutting edge than many claim them to be, and by giving better value for money...
Very true about obselete once out of the box..........:-)
However, 'Trekkieboy' I own a PC, and am getting a GC.And so far, NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE PC game has given me the sheer bliss of playing a quality (ie all of them) in house Nintendo release. NOT ONE!
Games like Unreal Tournament and Shogun are fantastic, but none have touched me the way Mario and co did (and still do).
So, 'drone' as your name suggests, carry on conforming please.
However, 'Trekkieboy' I own a PC, and am getting a GC.And so far, NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE PC game has given me the sheer bliss of playing a quality (ie all of them) in house Nintendo release. NOT ONE!
Games like Unreal Tournament and Shogun are fantastic, but none have touched me the way Mario and co did (and still do).
So, 'drone' as your name suggests, carry on conforming please.
PC's are just as bad as consoles. You MUST buy software compatable with your operating system (which in most cases is a Microsoft one), and you must buy an operating system compatable with your hardware (which usually ends up being a Microsoft one), or buy hardware compatable with your OS.
Microsoft have virtually taken over the market when it comes to PC's, and just like consoles, they control roughly everything you buy. Infact, when you buy a new PC, it's very unlikely you'll be offered a Linux system, and the only other alternative is Apple-mac.
Ofcourse people are going to prefer a certain console. It doesn't mean they can't see the faults and downsides to it. PC's can be worse! My first PC was a top of the range Windows 95 PC, 1 year after purchase, most games were too new for it, 6 years later, only old budget games will work on it, and I have to use my new PC with it's 3D graphics, and 1700Mhz processor to play games.
Just remember, in gaming terms, a PC is a console with more limitations. Ofcourse you can upgrade, but in terms of games, there can be many incompatabilities which just get in the way, most games need to be installed, "Direct X" needs to be installed, you need to have certain sound cards or graphics cards. So you're stuck with all these limitations, and have to put up with it if you can't upgrade, or even downgrade if you want to use your new PC with some classic titles.
Infact, with Windows XP, backwards compatability is becomming more difficult, despite the ability to change compatability settings. It's impossible as far as I know to play games like Command & Conquer and Red Alert which require a DOS system to play on Windows XP Home Edition (seeing as I've tried them).
PC's, just like consoles, need expensive upgrades. When a console is going out of date, a new one is released. As soon as a PC is out the box, it's obsolete.
Microsoft have virtually taken over the market when it comes to PC's, and just like consoles, they control roughly everything you buy. Infact, when you buy a new PC, it's very unlikely you'll be offered a Linux system, and the only other alternative is Apple-mac.
Ofcourse people are going to prefer a certain console. It doesn't mean they can't see the faults and downsides to it. PC's can be worse! My first PC was a top of the range Windows 95 PC, 1 year after purchase, most games were too new for it, 6 years later, only old budget games will work on it, and I have to use my new PC with it's 3D graphics, and 1700Mhz processor to play games.
Just remember, in gaming terms, a PC is a console with more limitations. Ofcourse you can upgrade, but in terms of games, there can be many incompatabilities which just get in the way, most games need to be installed, "Direct X" needs to be installed, you need to have certain sound cards or graphics cards. So you're stuck with all these limitations, and have to put up with it if you can't upgrade, or even downgrade if you want to use your new PC with some classic titles.
Infact, with Windows XP, backwards compatability is becomming more difficult, despite the ability to change compatability settings. It's impossible as far as I know to play games like Command & Conquer and Red Alert which require a DOS system to play on Windows XP Home Edition (seeing as I've tried them).
PC's, just like consoles, need expensive upgrades. When a console is going out of date, a new one is released. As soon as a PC is out the box, it's obsolete.
It should be clear from the way the guy writes that he's not a complete moron, but I do beg to differ with you over your 'ninnies' remark. I think most ninties are very discerning gamesplayers, and have often owned many different consoles. I'd be lying if I said that nintendo aren't my favourite games manufacturers, but I've also owned the Sega Master System (what a mistake) and the fantastic MegaDrive, as well as a week with the *cough* 3DO (more like dodo). I think PC games are great, I think console games are great. For me personally, I can't be doing with the sheer effort to play many PC games (obviously Monkey Island/Lucasarts and Champ Man make this worthwhile, but I have no control over that), but whatever floats your boat, man. But you shouldn't be so quick to condemn others for liking nintendo games.
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