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I am a pro console war person, I love nothing better than to argue with a fellow gamer of which console offers the best goods etc… yet there are certain variations in the way people argue that I really dislike. Now I have recently discovered a new console war fairground, the opposition console’s forum (in my case PS2 and X-box), and the majority of the opposition use facts and figures told to them by PS2 or X-box magazines/websites. In other words the majority of you lot listen to the Nintendo bashing PR (just as I hear X-box and PS2 bashing PR) all your websites and magazines subject you too, and I hate it.
There’s nothing wrong with disliking lets say the Gamecube for one reason or the other yet you’ll try and attack it for numerous reasons. When and X-box fan for example begins to criticize the Gamecube they can only do it via what they know, and being an X-box fan means that in the case of the Gamecube, not a lot. So where do these said people get their information? Yep the X-box websites and magazines, filled with as much negative Nintendo PR as possible. Lets take for example the release of Super Mario Sunshine, if someone criticizes it, which one or two people have done then an X-box website will claim the game was a major disappointment yet fail to mention from one persons point of view (as opposed to the millions that loved it). Another point about Mario Sunshine is the sales, as regards Europe websites and magazines are reporting that despite the release of Nintendo’s biggest title of the year Microsoft has in fact managed to close the gap between the two. Yet this website would fail to mention that Microsoft had in fact cut the price of the X-box just a month before hand and that Microsoft had hoped to be far ahead of Nintendo sales wise because of it, not to still be struggling behind Nintendo. And they also fail to point out that Microsoft is aiming at the same market as Sony, the bulk young teenager – adult market as opposed to Nintendo’s younger generations and specialist gamer market. The fact that Microsoft are behind Nintendo be it for the time being or not is an utter disaster because Microsoft are being trounced by their only real rival that is the Playstation 2. Yet I can’t just criticize X-box websites etc… Nintendo ones are just as bad. As regarding Mario Sunshine Nintendo websites reported that Super Mario Sunshine had sold more in its first two weeks than Microsoft’s biggest selling game Halo, Playstation 2’s biggest selling game GTA 3 and Mario 64 on the N64. Yet what they fail to point out that, despite being true, Halo hasn’t been around since the early 1980’s and that in its first two weeks it didn’t have a very large user base, as it was a launch title (the same point can be made about Mario 64). Also it failed to mention that GTA 3’s hype didn’t really get going until after its launch.
And this is why you have to be careful because when you say something you know to be true there is a spin on it you’ll, nine times out of ten, fail to realize. Naturally some companies are far better at PR than others namely Microsoft and Sony are good whilst Nintendo are bad. The Internet is a great example of this, whilst Sony have claimed they have many online plans and Microsoft are screaming about the X-box live idea, Nintendo aren’t saying a word. Many believe Nintendo are sitting and waiting, well that isn’t true because Nintendo aren’t that stupid. Nintendo are developing online titles but they won’t be ready for sometime so Nintendo aren’t saying a word, the rumor of Pokémonline and Mario Kart online proves that Nintendo have just as much potential as Microsoft in the online end with extremely promising software yet what are Nintendo’s PR people doing to reassure us that online plans are in the works? Absolutely nothing and that is one example of Nintendo’s disability at doing good PR. Another example involves system statistics. Both Microsoft and Sony confirmed they could shift X amount of polygons, this can only be done though in a cut scene when nothing else is moving in the background just the single character. Nintendo meanwhile stated they could shift Y many polygons when hundreds of other things such as motion blur, flying birds, moving scenery and characters were on the screen at the same time. Nintendo have failed to realize that they really needed to play up the Gamecube’s specs a bit more.
Specifications bring me onto yet another point about arguments; do not use specifications to argue against your friends. Yes the X-box has higher specs than the rest but they don’t have the flipper chip (yawn), something that enables ‘special effects’ like motion blur, heat haze and transparency to be implemented with the up most realism and incredibly easy. So who really cares that the Gamecube can’t push quite as many polygons? By saying that your console is the most powerful you will find that your opponent (if not me) will chip in with the flipper chip (no pun intended) fact. There are many points that need to be avoided when entering an argument, other than system specifications another is a list. Why oh why when entering an argument do we list the best and most promising games? Why as far as I’m concerned you could stuff all your ‘thirty promising titles’ up your **** and give me one Zelda game any day. Which leads me onto my fundamental point, Nintendo fans like Nintendo games. You can release 300 10/10 Halo sequels yet a Nintendo fan would rather settle for one Mario game every six years. And if you are listing games to see who has the most promising titles then that are equally pointless, are you honestly telling me Buffy The Vampire Slayer has the capability to cancel out Zelda?
When arguing you need to remember, your opponent knows his console better than you do no matter how much you insist he doesn’t. You also need to be skeptical when it comes to what popular websites and magazines tell you. For example did you know EDGE magazine rates Capcom Vs. SNK EO a really low mark because they didn’t like the new control system, yet there was an option to revert it to the old one and goes to show that even the ‘experts’ talk crap. And finally respect the fact that Nintendo fans like Nintendo because they love games like Mario and Zelda, no matter how much you think Halo is a better game.
And then let the wars commence.
Dringo.
There’s nothing wrong with disliking lets say the Gamecube for one reason or the other yet you’ll try and attack it for numerous reasons. When and X-box fan for example begins to criticize the Gamecube they can only do it via what they know, and being an X-box fan means that in the case of the Gamecube, not a lot. So where do these said people get their information? Yep the X-box websites and magazines, filled with as much negative Nintendo PR as possible. Lets take for example the release of Super Mario Sunshine, if someone criticizes it, which one or two people have done then an X-box website will claim the game was a major disappointment yet fail to mention from one persons point of view (as opposed to the millions that loved it). Another point about Mario Sunshine is the sales, as regards Europe websites and magazines are reporting that despite the release of Nintendo’s biggest title of the year Microsoft has in fact managed to close the gap between the two. Yet this website would fail to mention that Microsoft had in fact cut the price of the X-box just a month before hand and that Microsoft had hoped to be far ahead of Nintendo sales wise because of it, not to still be struggling behind Nintendo. And they also fail to point out that Microsoft is aiming at the same market as Sony, the bulk young teenager – adult market as opposed to Nintendo’s younger generations and specialist gamer market. The fact that Microsoft are behind Nintendo be it for the time being or not is an utter disaster because Microsoft are being trounced by their only real rival that is the Playstation 2. Yet I can’t just criticize X-box websites etc… Nintendo ones are just as bad. As regarding Mario Sunshine Nintendo websites reported that Super Mario Sunshine had sold more in its first two weeks than Microsoft’s biggest selling game Halo, Playstation 2’s biggest selling game GTA 3 and Mario 64 on the N64. Yet what they fail to point out that, despite being true, Halo hasn’t been around since the early 1980’s and that in its first two weeks it didn’t have a very large user base, as it was a launch title (the same point can be made about Mario 64). Also it failed to mention that GTA 3’s hype didn’t really get going until after its launch.
And this is why you have to be careful because when you say something you know to be true there is a spin on it you’ll, nine times out of ten, fail to realize. Naturally some companies are far better at PR than others namely Microsoft and Sony are good whilst Nintendo are bad. The Internet is a great example of this, whilst Sony have claimed they have many online plans and Microsoft are screaming about the X-box live idea, Nintendo aren’t saying a word. Many believe Nintendo are sitting and waiting, well that isn’t true because Nintendo aren’t that stupid. Nintendo are developing online titles but they won’t be ready for sometime so Nintendo aren’t saying a word, the rumor of Pokémonline and Mario Kart online proves that Nintendo have just as much potential as Microsoft in the online end with extremely promising software yet what are Nintendo’s PR people doing to reassure us that online plans are in the works? Absolutely nothing and that is one example of Nintendo’s disability at doing good PR. Another example involves system statistics. Both Microsoft and Sony confirmed they could shift X amount of polygons, this can only be done though in a cut scene when nothing else is moving in the background just the single character. Nintendo meanwhile stated they could shift Y many polygons when hundreds of other things such as motion blur, flying birds, moving scenery and characters were on the screen at the same time. Nintendo have failed to realize that they really needed to play up the Gamecube’s specs a bit more.
Specifications bring me onto yet another point about arguments; do not use specifications to argue against your friends. Yes the X-box has higher specs than the rest but they don’t have the flipper chip (yawn), something that enables ‘special effects’ like motion blur, heat haze and transparency to be implemented with the up most realism and incredibly easy. So who really cares that the Gamecube can’t push quite as many polygons? By saying that your console is the most powerful you will find that your opponent (if not me) will chip in with the flipper chip (no pun intended) fact. There are many points that need to be avoided when entering an argument, other than system specifications another is a list. Why oh why when entering an argument do we list the best and most promising games? Why as far as I’m concerned you could stuff all your ‘thirty promising titles’ up your **** and give me one Zelda game any day. Which leads me onto my fundamental point, Nintendo fans like Nintendo games. You can release 300 10/10 Halo sequels yet a Nintendo fan would rather settle for one Mario game every six years. And if you are listing games to see who has the most promising titles then that are equally pointless, are you honestly telling me Buffy The Vampire Slayer has the capability to cancel out Zelda?
When arguing you need to remember, your opponent knows his console better than you do no matter how much you insist he doesn’t. You also need to be skeptical when it comes to what popular websites and magazines tell you. For example did you know EDGE magazine rates Capcom Vs. SNK EO a really low mark because they didn’t like the new control system, yet there was an option to revert it to the old one and goes to show that even the ‘experts’ talk crap. And finally respect the fact that Nintendo fans like Nintendo because they love games like Mario and Zelda, no matter how much you think Halo is a better game.
And then let the wars commence.
Dringo.
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I'm not a console war person - so I haven't read it.
For me, games are just a cool distraction from the bull of everyday life.
At the end of the day, I don't really care which console stands or falls.
The only thing that bugs me is when mediocre seen-it-all-before games shoot straight to the top of the charts, and innovative games sink without trace.
For me, games are just a cool distraction from the bull of everyday life.
At the end of the day, I don't really care which console stands or falls.
The only thing that bugs me is when mediocre seen-it-all-before games shoot straight to the top of the charts, and innovative games sink without trace.
Savatt78 wrote:
> Quite easily actually after a number of Ninties have crowed about how
> far superior Gamecube games apparently are. I played a little of
> Pikmin and Mario Sunshine too and although they're ok, its not the
> type of game I want to be playing all the time.
Fair enough, but what Dringo was saying that it's unfair to form an opinion of a console from just the launch titles. I'm trying to keep an open mind about the X-Box, even though I'm somewhat slanted due to the comparitively very disappointing (In my opinion, of course) launch line up (bar Halo). However, I know this can't represent what the X-Box is capable of, which is why I'm waiting to make a decision.
> I won't go into the other games as its not something you're interested
> in hearing, but at the same time, it seems I'm not allowed to have
> this opinion because its not in favour of Nintendo. I'm not saying
> you're a part of this by the way - but there are plenty of posters
> that are.
As long as it's your opinion, no-one can argue with it :D.
> Quite easily actually after a number of Ninties have crowed about how
> far superior Gamecube games apparently are. I played a little of
> Pikmin and Mario Sunshine too and although they're ok, its not the
> type of game I want to be playing all the time.
Fair enough, but what Dringo was saying that it's unfair to form an opinion of a console from just the launch titles. I'm trying to keep an open mind about the X-Box, even though I'm somewhat slanted due to the comparitively very disappointing (In my opinion, of course) launch line up (bar Halo). However, I know this can't represent what the X-Box is capable of, which is why I'm waiting to make a decision.
> I won't go into the other games as its not something you're interested
> in hearing, but at the same time, it seems I'm not allowed to have
> this opinion because its not in favour of Nintendo. I'm not saying
> you're a part of this by the way - but there are plenty of posters
> that are.
As long as it's your opinion, no-one can argue with it :D.
Dringo wrote:
> But I often read in here how X-box is just behind Gamecube in the
> sales, that they are catching up and that Sunshine was a massive
> dissapointment... it is so frustrating when someone has listened to a
> load of anti-nintendo stuff and believes it despite the fact they are
> talking out of their ar$e.
Welcome to our world mate. Theres so much anti X-Box stuff posted in here that anything anti Gamecube or PS2 is normally a response towards these posters. Thing is, a lot of these posters don't mind dishing out the anti Micorsoft/X-Box topics, but god help anyone who gives it back to them.
> Ah now come on how can you rate the Gamecube on those launch titles,
> compared to the X-box the Gamecube had a crap launch line-up, i know
> that.
Quite easily actually after a number of Ninties have crowed about how far superior Gamecube games apparently are. I played a little of Pikmin and Mario Sunshine too and although they're ok, its not the type of game I want to be playing all the time.
Luigi's Mansion was criminaly short with little replay value in my opinion, Rogue Leader was hard to enjoy in the long run with very little freedom to do what you want as you always had to defend something and Wave Race, I simply found boring.
I won't go into the other games as its not something you're interested in hearing, but at the same time, it seems I'm not allowed to have this opinion because its not in favour of Nintendo. I'm not saying you're a part of this by the way - but there are plenty of posters that are.
> I can't though, the Gamecube uses ingenious graphical techniques such
> as the ones use in Resident Evil to make games look just as good. And
> then there is the fact that the major selling point of the CUBE is the
> haze effects and the smooth gameplay that is particular evident in the
> reacent sunshine. I don't like the use of my consolee graphics are
> better when i can just say my console runs smoother or my console
> features clever transparancy and haze effects. I don't like people
> argueing in that way, yes DOA3 may be the best 3D graphical game (not
> pre-rendered) yet it still looks as solid as Soul Calibur be their
> added detail or not.
Thing is with Resident Evil, yes it looks great, but at the same time its pre-rendered. The PS1 can pull off amazing graphics when they're pre-rendered.
> Ah but is it? Nintendo have a relativly small fan base that has grown
> very quickly, Microsoft are aiming at the casual gamer who nine times
> out of ten just go for the cheapest deal or the game they played round
> their mates house.
Actually most casual gamers tend to choose the console that is thought of as "the cool one" by the flock around them. Of course I'm talking about the PS brand here. Now there are plenty of good games on the PS2, but overall, it doesn't need them to succeed. Casual gamers tend to just take it as gospel now that PS is the only console worth having. Sony could release the PS3 with utter crud and still make it a sell out just because of the name Playstation.
> But then you say that yet are blissfully unaware of what Nintendo do
> to answer the public. After the limited edition GBA (Platinum) stopped
> selling the public moaned and Nintendo brought it back. The public
> wanted more cube clubs they got them, the public wanted more adult
> games they got them, Europe wanted more recognition we got it, we
> wanted Final Fantasy despite the fact that Nintendo don't like square
> and we got it, we wanted more 3rd party support and surprise surprise
> we got that too. Then there are the ongoing deals with panasonic and
> the new memory cards with downloadable opertunities.
To be honest, I don't think Nintendo are really delivering on the adult game area. Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness are all well and good along with a moodier looking Metroid game, but what else ?
As for Final Fantasy, I don't think Nintendo took Square back for their beloved fans, they took them back because they had to grit their teeth and accept that they really needed them back if they are to compete with the likes of Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo simply can't afford to have another N64 with little 3rd party suppport and Square are a very good company to have signed up.
> There are always other sides to the argument and that is the
> fundamental thing everyone has to learn.
Yeah we get these other sides of the arguement slammed into us all the time in here. Thing is, it seems unacceptable for us to have our say in return.
> But I often read in here how X-box is just behind Gamecube in the
> sales, that they are catching up and that Sunshine was a massive
> dissapointment... it is so frustrating when someone has listened to a
> load of anti-nintendo stuff and believes it despite the fact they are
> talking out of their ar$e.
Welcome to our world mate. Theres so much anti X-Box stuff posted in here that anything anti Gamecube or PS2 is normally a response towards these posters. Thing is, a lot of these posters don't mind dishing out the anti Micorsoft/X-Box topics, but god help anyone who gives it back to them.
> Ah now come on how can you rate the Gamecube on those launch titles,
> compared to the X-box the Gamecube had a crap launch line-up, i know
> that.
Quite easily actually after a number of Ninties have crowed about how far superior Gamecube games apparently are. I played a little of Pikmin and Mario Sunshine too and although they're ok, its not the type of game I want to be playing all the time.
Luigi's Mansion was criminaly short with little replay value in my opinion, Rogue Leader was hard to enjoy in the long run with very little freedom to do what you want as you always had to defend something and Wave Race, I simply found boring.
I won't go into the other games as its not something you're interested in hearing, but at the same time, it seems I'm not allowed to have this opinion because its not in favour of Nintendo. I'm not saying you're a part of this by the way - but there are plenty of posters that are.
> I can't though, the Gamecube uses ingenious graphical techniques such
> as the ones use in Resident Evil to make games look just as good. And
> then there is the fact that the major selling point of the CUBE is the
> haze effects and the smooth gameplay that is particular evident in the
> reacent sunshine. I don't like the use of my consolee graphics are
> better when i can just say my console runs smoother or my console
> features clever transparancy and haze effects. I don't like people
> argueing in that way, yes DOA3 may be the best 3D graphical game (not
> pre-rendered) yet it still looks as solid as Soul Calibur be their
> added detail or not.
Thing is with Resident Evil, yes it looks great, but at the same time its pre-rendered. The PS1 can pull off amazing graphics when they're pre-rendered.
> Ah but is it? Nintendo have a relativly small fan base that has grown
> very quickly, Microsoft are aiming at the casual gamer who nine times
> out of ten just go for the cheapest deal or the game they played round
> their mates house.
Actually most casual gamers tend to choose the console that is thought of as "the cool one" by the flock around them. Of course I'm talking about the PS brand here. Now there are plenty of good games on the PS2, but overall, it doesn't need them to succeed. Casual gamers tend to just take it as gospel now that PS is the only console worth having. Sony could release the PS3 with utter crud and still make it a sell out just because of the name Playstation.
> But then you say that yet are blissfully unaware of what Nintendo do
> to answer the public. After the limited edition GBA (Platinum) stopped
> selling the public moaned and Nintendo brought it back. The public
> wanted more cube clubs they got them, the public wanted more adult
> games they got them, Europe wanted more recognition we got it, we
> wanted Final Fantasy despite the fact that Nintendo don't like square
> and we got it, we wanted more 3rd party support and surprise surprise
> we got that too. Then there are the ongoing deals with panasonic and
> the new memory cards with downloadable opertunities.
To be honest, I don't think Nintendo are really delivering on the adult game area. Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness are all well and good along with a moodier looking Metroid game, but what else ?
As for Final Fantasy, I don't think Nintendo took Square back for their beloved fans, they took them back because they had to grit their teeth and accept that they really needed them back if they are to compete with the likes of Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo simply can't afford to have another N64 with little 3rd party suppport and Square are a very good company to have signed up.
> There are always other sides to the argument and that is the
> fundamental thing everyone has to learn.
Yeah we get these other sides of the arguement slammed into us all the time in here. Thing is, it seems unacceptable for us to have our say in return.
Savatt78 wrote:
> A nicely written post Dringo, but that end bit gets my back up because
> its not the X-Box forum posters that go into your forum dictating that
> your console is crap and answer every topic that covers a promising
> Gamecube game with replies such as "yes, but X-Box..."
Everyones guilty of it, even me, I shouldn't though because I know better.
> We don't give a flying toss about Gamecube basically. So while we're
> discussing a game such as Blinx in here, we really have no interest in
> hearing Ninties whine on about how Mario Sunshine poos all over it
> from a great height and is made by lovely wonderful wish they were our
> grandad Nintendo.
But I often read in here how X-box is just behind Gamecube in the sales, that they are catching up and that Sunshine was a massive dissapointment... it is so frustrating when someone has listened to a load of anti-nintendo stuff and believes it despite the fact they are talking out of their ar$e.
> Of course these forums are a place to discuss, but theres a thin line
> between using this forum as a place of discussion and using it as a
> fanboy slating ground.
>
> Personally, I don't care what X-Box mags say about the Gamecube, as
> far as I know, they've never really slated the Gamecube. All my
> opinions come from my experiences with consoles, not other people of
> mags.
> I bought a Gamecube and got a taste of its games in titles such as
> Luigi's Mansion, Rogue Leader, Bloody Roar, Monkey Ball and Wave
> Race.
> As I played the games more and more, I formed an opinion of the
> console and found it to be not as enticing as the X-Box games I'd been
> playing.
Ah now come on how can you rate the Gamecube on those launch titles, compared to the X-box the Gamecube had a crap launch line-up, i know that.
> Same thing goes for the graphics, etc. Gamecube can do some nice
> stuff, but I can still see the difference between the X-Box and
> Gamecube without the help of stats. I've seen footage of games such
> as Zelda and Metroid Prime and there really isn't anything in them
> that makes my jaw drop in awe as I've seen better on the X-Box.
I can't though, the Gamecube uses ingenious graphical techniques such as the ones use in Resident Evil to make games look just as good. And then there is the fact that the major selling point of the CUBE is the haze effects and the smooth gameplay that is particular evident in the reacent sunshine. I don't like the use of my consolee graphics are better when i can just say my console runs smoother or my console features clever transparancy and haze effects. I don't like people argueing in that way, yes DOA3 may be the best 3D graphical game (not pre-rendered) yet it still looks as solid as Soul Calibur be their added detail or not.
> Overall, the Gamecube is bound to have sold more than the X-Box even
> with a 2 month difference in release because Nintendo has a fan base
> that will always buy new Nintendo consoles, whereas Microsoft are just
> starting out and are having to attract people over to the X-Box.
> I don't think Microsoft are doing too badly considering they're the
> new boys coming into the console industry. They might be doing badly
> in Japan, but from what I hear they're number 1 in Australia, doing
> excellent in the States and doing increasingly well over here.
Ah but is it? Nintendo have a relativly small fan base that has grown very quickly, Microsoft are aiming at the casual gamer who nine times out of ten just go for the cheapest deal or the game they played round their mates house.
> As far as effort into their console goes, I don't think anyone could
> do anymore than what Microsoft are doing to make the games player
> happy.
> They have a $2 billion online plan, they've signed up Rare, they have
> an excellent games line up which they are always trying to expand to
> offer games in all genres, the console is very developer friendly,
> they've done a couple of price drops and they've added all kinds of
> potential to the console such as using your own music in games and
> saving things to the console's hard drive (along with what else it can
> do).
> When people moaned about the controller, they even designed a new
> smaller one to give players another option.
But then you say that yet are blissfully unaware of what Nintendo do to answer the public. After the limited edition GBA (Platinum) stopped selling the public moaned and Nintendo brought it back. The public wanted more cube clubs they got them, the public wanted more adult games they got them, Europe wanted more recognition we got it, we wanted Final Fantasy despite the fact that Nintendo don't like square and we got it, we wanted more 3rd party support and surprise surprise we got that too. Then there are the ongoing deals with panasonic and the new memory cards with downloadable opertunities.
> Of course as at least everyone in here knows, Microsoft could do a
> million things and certain elements of people will still hate the
> X-Box purely because they're scared of it overtaking the precious
> company they love wether its Nintendo or Sony.
> I'm not saying everyone should give in and buy X-Box, but plenty of
> people will always spend plenty of time desperately looking for
> something new to moan about with the X-Box.
> The price being one of the more famous ones - one minute a poster on
> here would be like "god, Microsoft won't sell that stupid X-Box
> until its cheaper than £300 - I wouldn't even consider a
> purchase until its nearly half the price."
> Microsoft bring down the price and sure enough that same poster would
> be in here ranting "hur, hur - the X-Box has gone down in price,
> that means its dying and everyone is going to think that !"
Don't you just love that. When Nintendo were expensive (N64 era) Playstation fans criticized it, when the cube became cheaper than the PS2 they all say 'doesn't that tell you something?' it really is ridiculous.
> At the end of the day, people in here will protect the X-Box because
> they enjoy the console and their arguements are no less plausible than
> what Ninties come in here ranting about.
There are always other sides to the argument and that is the fundamental thing everyone has to learn.
> A nicely written post Dringo, but that end bit gets my back up because
> its not the X-Box forum posters that go into your forum dictating that
> your console is crap and answer every topic that covers a promising
> Gamecube game with replies such as "yes, but X-Box..."
Everyones guilty of it, even me, I shouldn't though because I know better.
> We don't give a flying toss about Gamecube basically. So while we're
> discussing a game such as Blinx in here, we really have no interest in
> hearing Ninties whine on about how Mario Sunshine poos all over it
> from a great height and is made by lovely wonderful wish they were our
> grandad Nintendo.
But I often read in here how X-box is just behind Gamecube in the sales, that they are catching up and that Sunshine was a massive dissapointment... it is so frustrating when someone has listened to a load of anti-nintendo stuff and believes it despite the fact they are talking out of their ar$e.
> Of course these forums are a place to discuss, but theres a thin line
> between using this forum as a place of discussion and using it as a
> fanboy slating ground.
>
> Personally, I don't care what X-Box mags say about the Gamecube, as
> far as I know, they've never really slated the Gamecube. All my
> opinions come from my experiences with consoles, not other people of
> mags.
> I bought a Gamecube and got a taste of its games in titles such as
> Luigi's Mansion, Rogue Leader, Bloody Roar, Monkey Ball and Wave
> Race.
> As I played the games more and more, I formed an opinion of the
> console and found it to be not as enticing as the X-Box games I'd been
> playing.
Ah now come on how can you rate the Gamecube on those launch titles, compared to the X-box the Gamecube had a crap launch line-up, i know that.
> Same thing goes for the graphics, etc. Gamecube can do some nice
> stuff, but I can still see the difference between the X-Box and
> Gamecube without the help of stats. I've seen footage of games such
> as Zelda and Metroid Prime and there really isn't anything in them
> that makes my jaw drop in awe as I've seen better on the X-Box.
I can't though, the Gamecube uses ingenious graphical techniques such as the ones use in Resident Evil to make games look just as good. And then there is the fact that the major selling point of the CUBE is the haze effects and the smooth gameplay that is particular evident in the reacent sunshine. I don't like the use of my consolee graphics are better when i can just say my console runs smoother or my console features clever transparancy and haze effects. I don't like people argueing in that way, yes DOA3 may be the best 3D graphical game (not pre-rendered) yet it still looks as solid as Soul Calibur be their added detail or not.
> Overall, the Gamecube is bound to have sold more than the X-Box even
> with a 2 month difference in release because Nintendo has a fan base
> that will always buy new Nintendo consoles, whereas Microsoft are just
> starting out and are having to attract people over to the X-Box.
> I don't think Microsoft are doing too badly considering they're the
> new boys coming into the console industry. They might be doing badly
> in Japan, but from what I hear they're number 1 in Australia, doing
> excellent in the States and doing increasingly well over here.
Ah but is it? Nintendo have a relativly small fan base that has grown very quickly, Microsoft are aiming at the casual gamer who nine times out of ten just go for the cheapest deal or the game they played round their mates house.
> As far as effort into their console goes, I don't think anyone could
> do anymore than what Microsoft are doing to make the games player
> happy.
> They have a $2 billion online plan, they've signed up Rare, they have
> an excellent games line up which they are always trying to expand to
> offer games in all genres, the console is very developer friendly,
> they've done a couple of price drops and they've added all kinds of
> potential to the console such as using your own music in games and
> saving things to the console's hard drive (along with what else it can
> do).
> When people moaned about the controller, they even designed a new
> smaller one to give players another option.
But then you say that yet are blissfully unaware of what Nintendo do to answer the public. After the limited edition GBA (Platinum) stopped selling the public moaned and Nintendo brought it back. The public wanted more cube clubs they got them, the public wanted more adult games they got them, Europe wanted more recognition we got it, we wanted Final Fantasy despite the fact that Nintendo don't like square and we got it, we wanted more 3rd party support and surprise surprise we got that too. Then there are the ongoing deals with panasonic and the new memory cards with downloadable opertunities.
> Of course as at least everyone in here knows, Microsoft could do a
> million things and certain elements of people will still hate the
> X-Box purely because they're scared of it overtaking the precious
> company they love wether its Nintendo or Sony.
> I'm not saying everyone should give in and buy X-Box, but plenty of
> people will always spend plenty of time desperately looking for
> something new to moan about with the X-Box.
> The price being one of the more famous ones - one minute a poster on
> here would be like "god, Microsoft won't sell that stupid X-Box
> until its cheaper than £300 - I wouldn't even consider a
> purchase until its nearly half the price."
> Microsoft bring down the price and sure enough that same poster would
> be in here ranting "hur, hur - the X-Box has gone down in price,
> that means its dying and everyone is going to think that !"
Don't you just love that. When Nintendo were expensive (N64 era) Playstation fans criticized it, when the cube became cheaper than the PS2 they all say 'doesn't that tell you something?' it really is ridiculous.
> At the end of the day, people in here will protect the X-Box because
> they enjoy the console and their arguements are no less plausible than
> what Ninties come in here ranting about.
There are always other sides to the argument and that is the fundamental thing everyone has to learn.
Actually most of the time Xbox magazines *cough* OXM *cough* are ripping out the PS2, not that that's a bad thing :).
Anyway good post Dringo, I own a Xbox but I like all consoles etc etc, god these discussions are getting boring...
Anyway good post Dringo, I own a Xbox but I like all consoles etc etc, god these discussions are getting boring...
You'll never find me arguing over consoles, as I own all 3 I have no need to say which is better.
Xbox has great game which I love, like Halo which is one of the best games ever. But I also love my GC as it has Resident Evil and all the good Nintendo games. Enjoying SMS right now and can say that Nintendo still no how to make games fun. PS2 has good games as well can't wait for Vice City to come out as GTA3 was such a great game.
Xbox has great game which I love, like Halo which is one of the best games ever. But I also love my GC as it has Resident Evil and all the good Nintendo games. Enjoying SMS right now and can say that Nintendo still no how to make games fun. PS2 has good games as well can't wait for Vice City to come out as GTA3 was such a great game.
A good post Dringo, and something that should be read by X-Box, PS2 and GameCube owners alike when entering discussion.
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