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The inevitable return of Zelda, the beginning of the next-gen Pokemon rampage and a whole loads of famous franchises and original games to make 2003 far bigger than 2002 (I’ve always wanted to do an opener like that).
Well when Nintendo fans worry then I love to do nothing more than put their fears to rest. Now before the whole Rare panic the majority of things I heard involved the following year for Nintendo. With the majority of AAA titles hitting stores this year including Timesplitters 2, Mario, Luigi, Pikmin and many more. You all feared that because Nintendo haven’t announced many games for 2003 you believe that they have put all the eggs into one basket and hope that they will carry them through next year. A possible game drought was feared and the fact that we are seeing so many major games released this year, more than Nintendo have ever released before, it all looked very dim. The Rare announcement took it even further now at least 4 announced major releases have been cancelled. But I have kept my ear to the ground, and not only will we see a massive announcement fest at E3 but we also have loads of already confirmed games.
This year (2002) has been called the year of Mario yet next year there are just as many Mario games than this year. Mario Kart will appear towards the end of the year with almost confirmed online capabilities, Camelot’s Gamecube games Mario Tennis and Golf will see a late release as well. And we shouldn’t exclude the promise of Shigeru Miyamoto’s 100 Mario’s. That proves that Nintendo’s number one mascot plans to continue his gaming assault. Yet despite awesome Mario spin off games that have enjoyed success in the past, two other Nintendo AAA stars plan to resurface. Enter Link, the game character that always surpasses Mario despite not enjoying the same sales success. The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto will probably appear over here in the summer and would be enough for the entire year alone. The second major Nintendo title that is as big as Mario and Zelda that will make their impact next year belongs to 351 monsters. Pokemon plans to appear on the Gameboy Advance next year and it is almost guaranteed that by Christmas 2003 the Gamecube will have its very own title as well. Could it be the heavily rumoured Pokemonline?
Which aids me onto what Nintendo plan to unveil at E3. E3 is now Nintendo’s premier gaming event as they now rely on western support after strange sale figures in Japan. It appears that Nintendo will undoubtedly confirm another major title (probably Pokemon) as Metroid Prime, Zelda and Mario will have all been released world wide. Rumours of Mario Sunshine 2 began when Shigeru Miyamoto expressed a desire to release major titles quicker. So what games will we see at E3? Well other than numerous mystery titles I’d expect Namco’s Starfox space shooter to appear in full force along with Shigsy’s much discussed ‘100 Mario’s’ game. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation Donkey Kong platformer from Nintendo will finally appear after Nintendo of America basically confirmed it. The next quirky game from Nintendo in the form of Giftipa will finally be playable along with Roll a Rama and the possibility of an Animal Crossing sequel. Animal Crossing meanwhile is an ongoing game a sequel wouldn’t only be an upgraded version of the original unless it went online. And this is when I predict Nintendo will shut up all the analysts with there online strategy confirmed, I’d expect at least four Nintendo made online titles including Mario Kart, Pokemon and maybe Animal Crossing. That’s excluding of course the third party titles, I would expect E3 2003 to be as big announcement wise as E3 2001 (when all Gamecube titles were revealed).
Yet what of before May (when E3 is shown), what of January, February, March and April? Well that is a little easier as I already know what to expect. In January the delayed Wario’s World will get its release by Treasure, this game promises excellent 2D/3D platforming pleasure. In February Resident Evil 0, the brand new Resi title with fresh ideas will get released. In the same month the imaginative and world famous Animal Crossing will finally see the light of day in Europe. March time is when I wouldn’t be surprised to see the second of the big three games release in the UK in the form of Retro Studio’s Metroid Prime and late April is when the third will probably see the light of day with The Legend of Zelda. So the run up to E3 is as large as the times after it, and now I move onto the massive Christmas us Europeans will experience, far larger than this year and that is for sure.
Phantasy Star online edition 1 and 2 will probably appear in summer as the summer game along with Resident Evil 2 and 3. Yet in the September – December months (a year from now) we will be drowning in games. F Zero, Starfox, Final Fantasy (that will sell thousands of cubes and millions of copies), Asylum, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, 100 Mario’s and a whole load of currently unannounced titles from Capcom, Namco, SEGA and even bigger titles from Nintendo. And that’s excluding the usual James Bond, FIFA, Tony Hawks, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and of course some Resident Evil title probably Resident Evil: Code Veronica X.
So tell me? Still worried now?
Dringo.
Well when Nintendo fans worry then I love to do nothing more than put their fears to rest. Now before the whole Rare panic the majority of things I heard involved the following year for Nintendo. With the majority of AAA titles hitting stores this year including Timesplitters 2, Mario, Luigi, Pikmin and many more. You all feared that because Nintendo haven’t announced many games for 2003 you believe that they have put all the eggs into one basket and hope that they will carry them through next year. A possible game drought was feared and the fact that we are seeing so many major games released this year, more than Nintendo have ever released before, it all looked very dim. The Rare announcement took it even further now at least 4 announced major releases have been cancelled. But I have kept my ear to the ground, and not only will we see a massive announcement fest at E3 but we also have loads of already confirmed games.
This year (2002) has been called the year of Mario yet next year there are just as many Mario games than this year. Mario Kart will appear towards the end of the year with almost confirmed online capabilities, Camelot’s Gamecube games Mario Tennis and Golf will see a late release as well. And we shouldn’t exclude the promise of Shigeru Miyamoto’s 100 Mario’s. That proves that Nintendo’s number one mascot plans to continue his gaming assault. Yet despite awesome Mario spin off games that have enjoyed success in the past, two other Nintendo AAA stars plan to resurface. Enter Link, the game character that always surpasses Mario despite not enjoying the same sales success. The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto will probably appear over here in the summer and would be enough for the entire year alone. The second major Nintendo title that is as big as Mario and Zelda that will make their impact next year belongs to 351 monsters. Pokemon plans to appear on the Gameboy Advance next year and it is almost guaranteed that by Christmas 2003 the Gamecube will have its very own title as well. Could it be the heavily rumoured Pokemonline?
Which aids me onto what Nintendo plan to unveil at E3. E3 is now Nintendo’s premier gaming event as they now rely on western support after strange sale figures in Japan. It appears that Nintendo will undoubtedly confirm another major title (probably Pokemon) as Metroid Prime, Zelda and Mario will have all been released world wide. Rumours of Mario Sunshine 2 began when Shigeru Miyamoto expressed a desire to release major titles quicker. So what games will we see at E3? Well other than numerous mystery titles I’d expect Namco’s Starfox space shooter to appear in full force along with Shigsy’s much discussed ‘100 Mario’s’ game. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation Donkey Kong platformer from Nintendo will finally appear after Nintendo of America basically confirmed it. The next quirky game from Nintendo in the form of Giftipa will finally be playable along with Roll a Rama and the possibility of an Animal Crossing sequel. Animal Crossing meanwhile is an ongoing game a sequel wouldn’t only be an upgraded version of the original unless it went online. And this is when I predict Nintendo will shut up all the analysts with there online strategy confirmed, I’d expect at least four Nintendo made online titles including Mario Kart, Pokemon and maybe Animal Crossing. That’s excluding of course the third party titles, I would expect E3 2003 to be as big announcement wise as E3 2001 (when all Gamecube titles were revealed).
Yet what of before May (when E3 is shown), what of January, February, March and April? Well that is a little easier as I already know what to expect. In January the delayed Wario’s World will get its release by Treasure, this game promises excellent 2D/3D platforming pleasure. In February Resident Evil 0, the brand new Resi title with fresh ideas will get released. In the same month the imaginative and world famous Animal Crossing will finally see the light of day in Europe. March time is when I wouldn’t be surprised to see the second of the big three games release in the UK in the form of Retro Studio’s Metroid Prime and late April is when the third will probably see the light of day with The Legend of Zelda. So the run up to E3 is as large as the times after it, and now I move onto the massive Christmas us Europeans will experience, far larger than this year and that is for sure.
Phantasy Star online edition 1 and 2 will probably appear in summer as the summer game along with Resident Evil 2 and 3. Yet in the September – December months (a year from now) we will be drowning in games. F Zero, Starfox, Final Fantasy (that will sell thousands of cubes and millions of copies), Asylum, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, 100 Mario’s and a whole load of currently unannounced titles from Capcom, Namco, SEGA and even bigger titles from Nintendo. And that’s excluding the usual James Bond, FIFA, Tony Hawks, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and of course some Resident Evil title probably Resident Evil: Code Veronica X.
So tell me? Still worried now?
Dringo.
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And another thing:
"Why should dial up users pay the same amount, or possibly more, for a worse service?"
You are an idiot!!
Once again, I said they should make it a lot cheaper for dial up users and:
Why the hell would it cost dial up users more!?
Why would they charge them more!?
How stupid are you!?
Christ, I really can't beleive someone has been so ignorant if the things I've explained (how it would be cheaper for example) and come out wih such idiotic suggestions!
Hopefully I've mentioned it enough times now that you might actually understand it!!
"Why should dial up users pay the same amount, or possibly more, for a worse service?"
You are an idiot!!
Once again, I said they should make it a lot cheaper for dial up users and:
Why the hell would it cost dial up users more!?
Why would they charge them more!?
How stupid are you!?
Christ, I really can't beleive someone has been so ignorant if the things I've explained (how it would be cheaper for example) and come out wih such idiotic suggestions!
Hopefully I've mentioned it enough times now that you might actually understand it!!
Savatt78 wrote:
>
> God, discussing with you is like arguing with a sodding brick wall.
> Now lets go slowly shall we - Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only
> because they wanted to do all the stuff they've done with it. On dial
> up, it wouldn't be possible to do it all and why should someone pay a
> similar price if not possibly more for a worse service ?
Oh my god, you are such a moron!!
Seeing as most of your argument in that reply was just repeating this:
Did you fail to notice the fact that I said:
"At least dial up users will still be able to play the games"
and
"all they have to do is ... and half the price"
See, take away fancy features = Dial up users can still expirence online play AND it's half the price (or cheaper) for a simpler service.
Whose the sodding brick wall now?
Theres no way to argue with what I'm saying. And anyone will agree here that you have simply not read my post properly.
I'll go over it again:
Simpler Service
Cost Less
Still get the chance to play online
And all you can talk about is how it's unfair they should pay the same price and not get as much!
I'm not trying to act big and clever, but compared to your last post I'm certainly cleverer than you are.
Why don't you try agian, and this time argue about something I haven't already explained.
>
> God, discussing with you is like arguing with a sodding brick wall.
> Now lets go slowly shall we - Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only
> because they wanted to do all the stuff they've done with it. On dial
> up, it wouldn't be possible to do it all and why should someone pay a
> similar price if not possibly more for a worse service ?
Oh my god, you are such a moron!!
Seeing as most of your argument in that reply was just repeating this:
Did you fail to notice the fact that I said:
"At least dial up users will still be able to play the games"
and
"all they have to do is ... and half the price"
See, take away fancy features = Dial up users can still expirence online play AND it's half the price (or cheaper) for a simpler service.
Whose the sodding brick wall now?
Theres no way to argue with what I'm saying. And anyone will agree here that you have simply not read my post properly.
I'll go over it again:
Simpler Service
Cost Less
Still get the chance to play online
And all you can talk about is how it's unfair they should pay the same price and not get as much!
I'm not trying to act big and clever, but compared to your last post I'm certainly cleverer than you are.
Why don't you try agian, and this time argue about something I haven't already explained.
Savat, savat, savat.
You stirring up trouble again?
Stinky!
Anyhoo, GC has both dial up and Boradand, so whats the problem?
And it has Mario. So.
;)
*XBOX IS SO RUBBISH IT HAS ITS OWN TRAMP!*
Te-he!
You stirring up trouble again?
Stinky!
Anyhoo, GC has both dial up and Boradand, so whats the problem?
And it has Mario. So.
;)
*XBOX IS SO RUBBISH IT HAS ITS OWN TRAMP!*
Te-he!
Whitestripes wrote:
> Do you understand the words your reading? The whole point was that it
> would be a rip-off.
The words I was reading are that the only thing that can compete with Pokemon is a game that is practically the same. Overall, Pokemon is an RPG game with a new angle to it (i.e the Pokemon collecting and fighting).
> Not everyone feels that way because they are too immature to admit
> that a game that doesn't look real can be good. We all know how it
> works. 'Mario is a crap game for little kids' then three months later
> 'Jak and Daxter is brilliant and much better than Mario'.
>
> And it happens in the X-box forum too, until Blinx was announced,
> which suddenly becomes one of the best games in the world. The way
> that your all still clinging onto it despite the fact it's recived
> crap reviews only goes to prove your desperate for a game to beat
> Mario.
I'm not clinging to Blinx. I think it looks a fairly decent game, but certainly not some world beating new ultimate game. As far as platform style games go, I prefer JSRF. I'm still looking forward to playing Blinx though - is that ok ? Or is it a crime ?
> Well at least every customer can actually get a service.
>
> It's not so hard, Microsoft just don't give a rats a*se. All they have
> to do is include a modem, have a seperate network for dial up users
> and half the price of the service. Then at least they can actually
> play games online, even if they have a smaller capacity and none of
> the fancy features.
God, discussing with you is like arguing with a sodding brick wall. Now lets go slowly shall we - Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because they wanted to do all the stuff they've done with it. On dial up, it wouldn't be possible to do it all and why should someone pay a similar price if not possibly more for a worse service ?
Sega tried dial up and it just didn't work out and Microsoft want to make online gaming an excellent experience which opens up more to players than a fancy global 4 player game.
> Have you not realised that PC games have been played online with a
> modem for *years*. This is nothing, absolutly nothing, new.
Yes and PC gamers have had a wonderful time struggling to communicate with a keyboard in the likes of an FPS battle and have suffered wonderful times of lag. Very nice. Plus I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend ages trying to download new things for my games on a dial up modem - especially when you consider that an online console is most probably going to charge local rate for dial up rather than a fixed amount like an internet server would.
> Even a simple service, like Dreamarena, is enough. If the games are
> good, and ask anyone in here and they will tell you that Nintendo's
> games are better, then no one will care.
Did you actually get around to using Dreamarena ? Games can be good, but why go online to play against 3 other people when you can do that in your living room with friends for free ?
Quake 3 only allowed upto 4 players in one match and even then it was severely dogged with lag most of the time. Even Phantasy Star Online didn't really offer the big experience players were really hoping for. Don't get me wrong, PSO is a great game, but when it came down to it, the actual game playing was with upto 3 other people to create a 4 player group. The only time you felt part of a big community was when you were in the lobby area trying to get a game together.
The real strength for online gaming lies with its offering of large multiplayer games which few players get to enjoy often if at all. An FPS game is a lot better o be a part of multiplayer wise when your part of a large team against another large team. And online RPG's - its a lot more fun to be able to walk around and see players all around you in the actual enviornments rather than just a lobby area. Its even better if you can actually chat to them rather than type stuff on a keyboard all the time.
> There aren't any problems, your either too stupid to see it, or you
> have no decent argument. BB users play with BB users, dial up users
> play with dial up users.
Or just maybe its you whose the stupid one who just doesn't get it. Why should dial up users pay as much if not more than broadband users for a service that isn't anywhere near as good ? If Nintendo want to compete with X-Box Live, they will have to use broadband to really get the most out of online gaming such as allowing a lot more players to enjoy games together rather than a limited Dreamarena style service.
At the same time, this will leave the dial up users behind and no doubt feeling pretty hard done by. So Nintendo have to tread the fine line of competing and making sure their dial up customers are feeling satisfied with what they're paying for compared to the broadband users.
You can scream about games all you want, but thats down to personal taste, not everyone makes Nintendo the default winner. A strong online service however will allow developers to make their games that bit more special. If they're having to consider dial up customers, a developer will have to set a lot more limits as to what they can do whereas on broadband, the developer will have a lot more freedom to add things such as more players, voice communication, downloads, etc.
> I'm certain I could teach a five year old this concept, are you
> willing to take up the challenge?
It doesn't seem to be me who needs the teaching.
> Yes it is, but it's no reason to leave out the others. BB users can
> connect up, and play agmes, and use all these fancy features your so
> keen to hark on about.
>
> But is it so hard to just let dial up users simply play the games?
>
> So the games are smaller in size, theres no headset, but at least they
> can play the friggin games. People have been playing games without
> headsets for years, doesn't seem to stop their enjoyment of it does
> it?
Again, why should dial up users pay the same or more for less ? X-Box Live is supposed to be an online gaming world that takes the experience forwards. When it comes to dial up, you won't really be experiencing anything more than what you get in your living room with friends round - except the fact you can barely communicate and pay a hefty sum on top.
For my broadband, I pay £30, X-Box Live costs an additional £40 for a years subscription (with the added bits like the headset, etc chucked in). Now, when I had the Dreamcast, I liked to play PSO and Quake 3 (my friends tend to be crap at these games so I had to look elsewhere pretty often for a decent game). In 3 months I managed to rake up a phonebill of £300. What stung more than the bill was the knowledge that 3 quarters of the time playing, I was dogged with lag and connecting problems so I was getting charged for something I couldn't enjoy 100% - very frustrating.
All credit to Sega for trying though, but I think Microsoft are definatly going in the right direction with broadband.
> Now unless you have something new to say, stop wasting our time.
Pretty arrogant coming from someone who seems to know very little or is totally oblivious to these problems. Or is it your way of acting all big and clever cause I'm on "your turf" ?
> Do you understand the words your reading? The whole point was that it
> would be a rip-off.
The words I was reading are that the only thing that can compete with Pokemon is a game that is practically the same. Overall, Pokemon is an RPG game with a new angle to it (i.e the Pokemon collecting and fighting).
> Not everyone feels that way because they are too immature to admit
> that a game that doesn't look real can be good. We all know how it
> works. 'Mario is a crap game for little kids' then three months later
> 'Jak and Daxter is brilliant and much better than Mario'.
>
> And it happens in the X-box forum too, until Blinx was announced,
> which suddenly becomes one of the best games in the world. The way
> that your all still clinging onto it despite the fact it's recived
> crap reviews only goes to prove your desperate for a game to beat
> Mario.
I'm not clinging to Blinx. I think it looks a fairly decent game, but certainly not some world beating new ultimate game. As far as platform style games go, I prefer JSRF. I'm still looking forward to playing Blinx though - is that ok ? Or is it a crime ?
> Well at least every customer can actually get a service.
>
> It's not so hard, Microsoft just don't give a rats a*se. All they have
> to do is include a modem, have a seperate network for dial up users
> and half the price of the service. Then at least they can actually
> play games online, even if they have a smaller capacity and none of
> the fancy features.
God, discussing with you is like arguing with a sodding brick wall. Now lets go slowly shall we - Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because they wanted to do all the stuff they've done with it. On dial up, it wouldn't be possible to do it all and why should someone pay a similar price if not possibly more for a worse service ?
Sega tried dial up and it just didn't work out and Microsoft want to make online gaming an excellent experience which opens up more to players than a fancy global 4 player game.
> Have you not realised that PC games have been played online with a
> modem for *years*. This is nothing, absolutly nothing, new.
Yes and PC gamers have had a wonderful time struggling to communicate with a keyboard in the likes of an FPS battle and have suffered wonderful times of lag. Very nice. Plus I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend ages trying to download new things for my games on a dial up modem - especially when you consider that an online console is most probably going to charge local rate for dial up rather than a fixed amount like an internet server would.
> Even a simple service, like Dreamarena, is enough. If the games are
> good, and ask anyone in here and they will tell you that Nintendo's
> games are better, then no one will care.
Did you actually get around to using Dreamarena ? Games can be good, but why go online to play against 3 other people when you can do that in your living room with friends for free ?
Quake 3 only allowed upto 4 players in one match and even then it was severely dogged with lag most of the time. Even Phantasy Star Online didn't really offer the big experience players were really hoping for. Don't get me wrong, PSO is a great game, but when it came down to it, the actual game playing was with upto 3 other people to create a 4 player group. The only time you felt part of a big community was when you were in the lobby area trying to get a game together.
The real strength for online gaming lies with its offering of large multiplayer games which few players get to enjoy often if at all. An FPS game is a lot better o be a part of multiplayer wise when your part of a large team against another large team. And online RPG's - its a lot more fun to be able to walk around and see players all around you in the actual enviornments rather than just a lobby area. Its even better if you can actually chat to them rather than type stuff on a keyboard all the time.
> There aren't any problems, your either too stupid to see it, or you
> have no decent argument. BB users play with BB users, dial up users
> play with dial up users.
Or just maybe its you whose the stupid one who just doesn't get it. Why should dial up users pay as much if not more than broadband users for a service that isn't anywhere near as good ? If Nintendo want to compete with X-Box Live, they will have to use broadband to really get the most out of online gaming such as allowing a lot more players to enjoy games together rather than a limited Dreamarena style service.
At the same time, this will leave the dial up users behind and no doubt feeling pretty hard done by. So Nintendo have to tread the fine line of competing and making sure their dial up customers are feeling satisfied with what they're paying for compared to the broadband users.
You can scream about games all you want, but thats down to personal taste, not everyone makes Nintendo the default winner. A strong online service however will allow developers to make their games that bit more special. If they're having to consider dial up customers, a developer will have to set a lot more limits as to what they can do whereas on broadband, the developer will have a lot more freedom to add things such as more players, voice communication, downloads, etc.
> I'm certain I could teach a five year old this concept, are you
> willing to take up the challenge?
It doesn't seem to be me who needs the teaching.
> Yes it is, but it's no reason to leave out the others. BB users can
> connect up, and play agmes, and use all these fancy features your so
> keen to hark on about.
>
> But is it so hard to just let dial up users simply play the games?
>
> So the games are smaller in size, theres no headset, but at least they
> can play the friggin games. People have been playing games without
> headsets for years, doesn't seem to stop their enjoyment of it does
> it?
Again, why should dial up users pay the same or more for less ? X-Box Live is supposed to be an online gaming world that takes the experience forwards. When it comes to dial up, you won't really be experiencing anything more than what you get in your living room with friends round - except the fact you can barely communicate and pay a hefty sum on top.
For my broadband, I pay £30, X-Box Live costs an additional £40 for a years subscription (with the added bits like the headset, etc chucked in). Now, when I had the Dreamcast, I liked to play PSO and Quake 3 (my friends tend to be crap at these games so I had to look elsewhere pretty often for a decent game). In 3 months I managed to rake up a phonebill of £300. What stung more than the bill was the knowledge that 3 quarters of the time playing, I was dogged with lag and connecting problems so I was getting charged for something I couldn't enjoy 100% - very frustrating.
All credit to Sega for trying though, but I think Microsoft are definatly going in the right direction with broadband.
> Now unless you have something new to say, stop wasting our time.
Pretty arrogant coming from someone who seems to know very little or is totally oblivious to these problems. Or is it your way of acting all big and clever cause I'm on "your turf" ?
Savatt78 wrote:
> Dringo wrote:>
> Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum
> and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as
> soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
> Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the
> online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
I didn't mean that, rant all you will, just don't criticize my comment it was intended for a different target audience the Nintendo fans, not the X-box fans... yet you continue to criticize it...
Being an X-box fan you will find the X-box online promise better due to the games appealing to you. The games do not appeal to us, Nintendo games do and all I was, was confirming that online Nintendo games are on the way so it will blow X-box live out of the water...
From our point of view.
The fact is you cannot change the fact that Mario is coming online no matter how much you try and tell me Microsoft have a headset... nice and useful, yes... mario, no.
> Dringo wrote:>
> Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum
> and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as
> soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
> Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the
> online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
I didn't mean that, rant all you will, just don't criticize my comment it was intended for a different target audience the Nintendo fans, not the X-box fans... yet you continue to criticize it...
Being an X-box fan you will find the X-box online promise better due to the games appealing to you. The games do not appeal to us, Nintendo games do and all I was, was confirming that online Nintendo games are on the way so it will blow X-box live out of the water...
From our point of view.
The fact is you cannot change the fact that Mario is coming online no matter how much you try and tell me Microsoft have a headset... nice and useful, yes... mario, no.
Savatt78 wrote:
> Whitestripes wrote:
> Not directly they won't, Pokemon is a very different RPG from most
> of
> them out there. To beat Pokemon they would first have to copy it's
> style of game, which is something Rare are doing with Kameo.
> Although
> as proved already, Rare often copy Nintendo's games but never
> managed
> to beat them (Mario 64/Sunshine > Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie | Mario Kart >
> Diddy
> Kong Racing | Zelda > Starfox Adventures)
> ****
> And if Microsoft did make a similar game for the X-Box, no doubt there
> would be screams of rip off around these forums.
Do you understand the words your reading? The whole point was that it would be a rip-off.
>
> Nintendo's games are aimed at everyone. If you put all the Nintendo
> games online, you'd have racing, adventure, RPG, tennis, golf,
> party,
> FPS etc.
> Although of course it's obvious that 3rd party companys would need
> to
> supply online games as well, Nintendo certainly aren't lacking in
> games that can show 3rd party developers that the Cube is capable of
> succesful online play too.
> ****
> Its all very well saying they're aimed at everyone, but not everyone
> feels that way which is why the kiddy image is around. Nintendo will
> need plenty of 3rd party support if they're online plans are to work
> and right now they have yet to announce anything.
Not everyone feels that way because they are too immature to admit that a game that doesn't look real can be good. We all know how it works. 'Mario is a crap game for little kids' then three months later 'Jak and Daxter is brilliant and much better than Mario'.
And it happens in the X-box forum too, until Blinx was announced, which suddenly becomes one of the best games in the world. The way that your all still clinging onto it despite the fact it's recived crap reviews only goes to prove your desperate for a game to beat Mario.
>
> Although it hasn't been announced, I doubt Nintendo are that stupid.
> More likely is that Dial up users will only be able to play with
> other
> Dial up users, and broadband with broadband users.
> ****
> But then this raises issues on how good a service each paying customer
> gets. If broadband shares the same service features as dial up, then
> it will be very limited and won't be much competition against X-Box
> Live. If Nintendo want to use their broadband service to compete with
> Microsoft, then that will leave the dial up users getting less for
> what will probably be a very similar price - possibly even more
> expensive with the phonebill coming into the equation. Plenty think
> that a broadband connection costs a fair lump, I can tell you now, it
> doesn't come close to comparing to an online gaming phonebill if you
> find yourself really enjoying the service.
Well at least every customer can actually get a service.
It's not so hard, Microsoft just don't give a rats a*se. All they have to do is include a modem, have a seperate network for dial up users and half the price of the service. Then at least they can actually play games online, even if they have a smaller capacity and none of the fancy features.
Have you not realised that PC games have been played online with a modem for *years*. This is nothing, absolutly nothing, new.
> Of course the games are the most important thing, but without a decent
> service backing them, even the best games will be limited.
Even a simple service, like Dreamarena, is enough. If the games are good, and ask anyone in here and they will tell you that Nintendo's games are better, then no one will care.
> This is where Nintendo will have problems though after choosing to put
> their service on both broadband and dial up.
There aren't any problems, your either too stupid to see it, or you have no decent argument. BB users play with BB users, dial up users play with dial up users.
I'm certain I could teach a five year old this concept, are you willing to take up the challenge?
> Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because its the only thing
> that can support the big things they wanted to do with their online
> gaming service.
Yes it is, but it's no reason to leave out the others. BB users can connect up, and play agmes, and use all these fancy features your so keen to hark on about.
But is it so hard to just let dial up users simply play the games?
So the games are smaller in size, theres no headset, but at least they can play the friggin games. People have been playing games without headsets for years, doesn't seem to stop their enjoyment of it does it?
Now unless you have something new to say, stop wasting our time.
> Whitestripes wrote:
> Not directly they won't, Pokemon is a very different RPG from most
> of
> them out there. To beat Pokemon they would first have to copy it's
> style of game, which is something Rare are doing with Kameo.
> Although
> as proved already, Rare often copy Nintendo's games but never
> managed
> to beat them (Mario 64/Sunshine > Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie | Mario Kart >
> Diddy
> Kong Racing | Zelda > Starfox Adventures)
> ****
> And if Microsoft did make a similar game for the X-Box, no doubt there
> would be screams of rip off around these forums.
Do you understand the words your reading? The whole point was that it would be a rip-off.
>
> Nintendo's games are aimed at everyone. If you put all the Nintendo
> games online, you'd have racing, adventure, RPG, tennis, golf,
> party,
> FPS etc.
> Although of course it's obvious that 3rd party companys would need
> to
> supply online games as well, Nintendo certainly aren't lacking in
> games that can show 3rd party developers that the Cube is capable of
> succesful online play too.
> ****
> Its all very well saying they're aimed at everyone, but not everyone
> feels that way which is why the kiddy image is around. Nintendo will
> need plenty of 3rd party support if they're online plans are to work
> and right now they have yet to announce anything.
Not everyone feels that way because they are too immature to admit that a game that doesn't look real can be good. We all know how it works. 'Mario is a crap game for little kids' then three months later 'Jak and Daxter is brilliant and much better than Mario'.
And it happens in the X-box forum too, until Blinx was announced, which suddenly becomes one of the best games in the world. The way that your all still clinging onto it despite the fact it's recived crap reviews only goes to prove your desperate for a game to beat Mario.
>
> Although it hasn't been announced, I doubt Nintendo are that stupid.
> More likely is that Dial up users will only be able to play with
> other
> Dial up users, and broadband with broadband users.
> ****
> But then this raises issues on how good a service each paying customer
> gets. If broadband shares the same service features as dial up, then
> it will be very limited and won't be much competition against X-Box
> Live. If Nintendo want to use their broadband service to compete with
> Microsoft, then that will leave the dial up users getting less for
> what will probably be a very similar price - possibly even more
> expensive with the phonebill coming into the equation. Plenty think
> that a broadband connection costs a fair lump, I can tell you now, it
> doesn't come close to comparing to an online gaming phonebill if you
> find yourself really enjoying the service.
Well at least every customer can actually get a service.
It's not so hard, Microsoft just don't give a rats a*se. All they have to do is include a modem, have a seperate network for dial up users and half the price of the service. Then at least they can actually play games online, even if they have a smaller capacity and none of the fancy features.
Have you not realised that PC games have been played online with a modem for *years*. This is nothing, absolutly nothing, new.
> Of course the games are the most important thing, but without a decent
> service backing them, even the best games will be limited.
Even a simple service, like Dreamarena, is enough. If the games are good, and ask anyone in here and they will tell you that Nintendo's games are better, then no one will care.
> This is where Nintendo will have problems though after choosing to put
> their service on both broadband and dial up.
There aren't any problems, your either too stupid to see it, or you have no decent argument. BB users play with BB users, dial up users play with dial up users.
I'm certain I could teach a five year old this concept, are you willing to take up the challenge?
> Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because its the only thing
> that can support the big things they wanted to do with their online
> gaming service.
Yes it is, but it's no reason to leave out the others. BB users can connect up, and play agmes, and use all these fancy features your so keen to hark on about.
But is it so hard to just let dial up users simply play the games?
So the games are smaller in size, theres no headset, but at least they can play the friggin games. People have been playing games without headsets for years, doesn't seem to stop their enjoyment of it does it?
Now unless you have something new to say, stop wasting our time.
Dringo wrote:
> I don't think you get the point...
>
> This is a Nintendo forum filled with Nintendo fans...
>
> I don't care if the X-box has decent Broadband services, a headset,
> Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Bob the Builder and the four flying monkeys
> online... I like Mario Kart, I like Pokemon, I like Advance Wars and I
> like Animal Crossing (probably).
>
> Nintendo release 4 first part titles is a rare thing indeed, that in
> itself is a shock, combine that with online support from SEGA and
> Namco (triforce jargon) and Squaresoft (probably) not to exclude
> future free radical products and Retro Studio games and who knows
> maybe Tennis, Party 5, and Golf will go Online... the fact is Nintendo
> games is why I and everyone in here like Nintendo, i wrote that
> comment directed at Nintendo fans because from our point of view it
> will blow X-box live out of the water because X-box live games don't
> appeal to us.
>
> Nintendo games do, so you can take your broadband bullsh** and your
> headset interactivity and shove them where the sun don't shine because
> you don't have the games we want to play. And nothing will change
> that.
Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
> I don't think you get the point...
>
> This is a Nintendo forum filled with Nintendo fans...
>
> I don't care if the X-box has decent Broadband services, a headset,
> Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Bob the Builder and the four flying monkeys
> online... I like Mario Kart, I like Pokemon, I like Advance Wars and I
> like Animal Crossing (probably).
>
> Nintendo release 4 first part titles is a rare thing indeed, that in
> itself is a shock, combine that with online support from SEGA and
> Namco (triforce jargon) and Squaresoft (probably) not to exclude
> future free radical products and Retro Studio games and who knows
> maybe Tennis, Party 5, and Golf will go Online... the fact is Nintendo
> games is why I and everyone in here like Nintendo, i wrote that
> comment directed at Nintendo fans because from our point of view it
> will blow X-box live out of the water because X-box live games don't
> appeal to us.
>
> Nintendo games do, so you can take your broadband bullsh** and your
> headset interactivity and shove them where the sun don't shine because
> you don't have the games we want to play. And nothing will change
> that.
Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
Well said, Dringo.
I don't think you get the point...
This is a Nintendo forum filled with Nintendo fans...
I don't care if the X-box has decent Broadband services, a headset, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Bob the Builder and the four flying monkeys online... I like Mario Kart, I like Pokemon, I like Advance Wars and I like Animal Crossing (probably).
Nintendo release 4 first part titles is a rare thing indeed, that in itself is a shock, combine that with online support from SEGA and Namco (triforce jargon) and Squaresoft (probably) not to exclude future free radical products and Retro Studio games and who knows maybe Tennis, Party 5, and Golf will go Online... the fact is Nintendo games is why I and everyone in here like Nintendo, i wrote that comment directed at Nintendo fans because from our point of view it will blow X-box live out of the water because X-box live games don't appeal to us.
Nintendo games do, so you can take your broadband bullsh** and your headset interactivity and shove them where the sun don't shine because you don't have the games we want to play. And nothing will change that.
This is a Nintendo forum filled with Nintendo fans...
I don't care if the X-box has decent Broadband services, a headset, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Bob the Builder and the four flying monkeys online... I like Mario Kart, I like Pokemon, I like Advance Wars and I like Animal Crossing (probably).
Nintendo release 4 first part titles is a rare thing indeed, that in itself is a shock, combine that with online support from SEGA and Namco (triforce jargon) and Squaresoft (probably) not to exclude future free radical products and Retro Studio games and who knows maybe Tennis, Party 5, and Golf will go Online... the fact is Nintendo games is why I and everyone in here like Nintendo, i wrote that comment directed at Nintendo fans because from our point of view it will blow X-box live out of the water because X-box live games don't appeal to us.
Nintendo games do, so you can take your broadband bullsh** and your headset interactivity and shove them where the sun don't shine because you don't have the games we want to play. And nothing will change that.
Whitestripes wrote:
> Not directly they won't, Pokemon is a very different RPG from most of
> them out there. To beat Pokemon they would first have to copy it's
> style of game, which is something Rare are doing with Kameo. Although
> as proved already, Rare often copy Nintendo's games but never managed
> to beat them (Mario 64/Sunshine Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie | Mario Kart Diddy
> Kong Racing | Zelda Starfox Adventures)
And if Microsoft did make a similar game for the X-Box, no doubt there would be screams of rip off around these forums.
> Nintendo's games are aimed at everyone. If you put all the Nintendo
> games online, you'd have racing, adventure, RPG, tennis, golf, party,
> FPS etc.
> Although of course it's obvious that 3rd party companys would need to
> supply online games as well, Nintendo certainly aren't lacking in
> games that can show 3rd party developers that the Cube is capable of
> succesful online play too.
Its all very well saying they're aimed at everyone, but not everyone feels that way which is why the kiddy image is around. Nintendo will need plenty of 3rd party support if they're online plans are to work and right now they have yet to announce anything.
> Although it hasn't been announced, I doubt Nintendo are that stupid.
> More likely is that Dial up users will only be able to play with other
> Dial up users, and broadband with broadband users.
But then this raises issues on how good a service each paying customer gets. If broadband shares the same service features as dial up, then it will be very limited and won't be much competition against X-Box Live. If Nintendo want to use their broadband service to compete with Microsoft, then that will leave the dial up users getting less for what will probably be a very similar price - possibly even more expensive with the phonebill coming into the equation. Plenty think that a broadband connection costs a fair lump, I can tell you now, it doesn't come close to comparing to an online gaming phonebill if you find yourself really enjoying the service.
Of course the games are the most important thing, but without a decent service backing them, even the best games will be limited.
This is where Nintendo will have problems though after choosing to put their service on both broadband and dial up.
Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because its the only thing that can support the big things they wanted to do with their online gaming service.
> Not directly they won't, Pokemon is a very different RPG from most of
> them out there. To beat Pokemon they would first have to copy it's
> style of game, which is something Rare are doing with Kameo. Although
> as proved already, Rare often copy Nintendo's games but never managed
> to beat them (Mario 64/Sunshine Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie | Mario Kart Diddy
> Kong Racing | Zelda Starfox Adventures)
And if Microsoft did make a similar game for the X-Box, no doubt there would be screams of rip off around these forums.
> Nintendo's games are aimed at everyone. If you put all the Nintendo
> games online, you'd have racing, adventure, RPG, tennis, golf, party,
> FPS etc.
> Although of course it's obvious that 3rd party companys would need to
> supply online games as well, Nintendo certainly aren't lacking in
> games that can show 3rd party developers that the Cube is capable of
> succesful online play too.
Its all very well saying they're aimed at everyone, but not everyone feels that way which is why the kiddy image is around. Nintendo will need plenty of 3rd party support if they're online plans are to work and right now they have yet to announce anything.
> Although it hasn't been announced, I doubt Nintendo are that stupid.
> More likely is that Dial up users will only be able to play with other
> Dial up users, and broadband with broadband users.
But then this raises issues on how good a service each paying customer gets. If broadband shares the same service features as dial up, then it will be very limited and won't be much competition against X-Box Live. If Nintendo want to use their broadband service to compete with Microsoft, then that will leave the dial up users getting less for what will probably be a very similar price - possibly even more expensive with the phonebill coming into the equation. Plenty think that a broadband connection costs a fair lump, I can tell you now, it doesn't come close to comparing to an online gaming phonebill if you find yourself really enjoying the service.
Of course the games are the most important thing, but without a decent service backing them, even the best games will be limited.
This is where Nintendo will have problems though after choosing to put their service on both broadband and dial up.
Microsoft made X-Box Live broadband only because its the only thing that can support the big things they wanted to do with their online gaming service.
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