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The inevitable return of Zelda, the beginning of the next-gen Pokemon rampage and a whole loads of famous franchises and original games to make 2003 far bigger than 2002 (I’ve always wanted to do an opener like that).
Well when Nintendo fans worry then I love to do nothing more than put their fears to rest. Now before the whole Rare panic the majority of things I heard involved the following year for Nintendo. With the majority of AAA titles hitting stores this year including Timesplitters 2, Mario, Luigi, Pikmin and many more. You all feared that because Nintendo haven’t announced many games for 2003 you believe that they have put all the eggs into one basket and hope that they will carry them through next year. A possible game drought was feared and the fact that we are seeing so many major games released this year, more than Nintendo have ever released before, it all looked very dim. The Rare announcement took it even further now at least 4 announced major releases have been cancelled. But I have kept my ear to the ground, and not only will we see a massive announcement fest at E3 but we also have loads of already confirmed games.
This year (2002) has been called the year of Mario yet next year there are just as many Mario games than this year. Mario Kart will appear towards the end of the year with almost confirmed online capabilities, Camelot’s Gamecube games Mario Tennis and Golf will see a late release as well. And we shouldn’t exclude the promise of Shigeru Miyamoto’s 100 Mario’s. That proves that Nintendo’s number one mascot plans to continue his gaming assault. Yet despite awesome Mario spin off games that have enjoyed success in the past, two other Nintendo AAA stars plan to resurface. Enter Link, the game character that always surpasses Mario despite not enjoying the same sales success. The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto will probably appear over here in the summer and would be enough for the entire year alone. The second major Nintendo title that is as big as Mario and Zelda that will make their impact next year belongs to 351 monsters. Pokemon plans to appear on the Gameboy Advance next year and it is almost guaranteed that by Christmas 2003 the Gamecube will have its very own title as well. Could it be the heavily rumoured Pokemonline?
Which aids me onto what Nintendo plan to unveil at E3. E3 is now Nintendo’s premier gaming event as they now rely on western support after strange sale figures in Japan. It appears that Nintendo will undoubtedly confirm another major title (probably Pokemon) as Metroid Prime, Zelda and Mario will have all been released world wide. Rumours of Mario Sunshine 2 began when Shigeru Miyamoto expressed a desire to release major titles quicker. So what games will we see at E3? Well other than numerous mystery titles I’d expect Namco’s Starfox space shooter to appear in full force along with Shigsy’s much discussed ‘100 Mario’s’ game. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation Donkey Kong platformer from Nintendo will finally appear after Nintendo of America basically confirmed it. The next quirky game from Nintendo in the form of Giftipa will finally be playable along with Roll a Rama and the possibility of an Animal Crossing sequel. Animal Crossing meanwhile is an ongoing game a sequel wouldn’t only be an upgraded version of the original unless it went online. And this is when I predict Nintendo will shut up all the analysts with there online strategy confirmed, I’d expect at least four Nintendo made online titles including Mario Kart, Pokemon and maybe Animal Crossing. That’s excluding of course the third party titles, I would expect E3 2003 to be as big announcement wise as E3 2001 (when all Gamecube titles were revealed).
Yet what of before May (when E3 is shown), what of January, February, March and April? Well that is a little easier as I already know what to expect. In January the delayed Wario’s World will get its release by Treasure, this game promises excellent 2D/3D platforming pleasure. In February Resident Evil 0, the brand new Resi title with fresh ideas will get released. In the same month the imaginative and world famous Animal Crossing will finally see the light of day in Europe. March time is when I wouldn’t be surprised to see the second of the big three games release in the UK in the form of Retro Studio’s Metroid Prime and late April is when the third will probably see the light of day with The Legend of Zelda. So the run up to E3 is as large as the times after it, and now I move onto the massive Christmas us Europeans will experience, far larger than this year and that is for sure.
Phantasy Star online edition 1 and 2 will probably appear in summer as the summer game along with Resident Evil 2 and 3. Yet in the September – December months (a year from now) we will be drowning in games. F Zero, Starfox, Final Fantasy (that will sell thousands of cubes and millions of copies), Asylum, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, 100 Mario’s and a whole load of currently unannounced titles from Capcom, Namco, SEGA and even bigger titles from Nintendo. And that’s excluding the usual James Bond, FIFA, Tony Hawks, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and of course some Resident Evil title probably Resident Evil: Code Veronica X.
So tell me? Still worried now?
Dringo.
Well when Nintendo fans worry then I love to do nothing more than put their fears to rest. Now before the whole Rare panic the majority of things I heard involved the following year for Nintendo. With the majority of AAA titles hitting stores this year including Timesplitters 2, Mario, Luigi, Pikmin and many more. You all feared that because Nintendo haven’t announced many games for 2003 you believe that they have put all the eggs into one basket and hope that they will carry them through next year. A possible game drought was feared and the fact that we are seeing so many major games released this year, more than Nintendo have ever released before, it all looked very dim. The Rare announcement took it even further now at least 4 announced major releases have been cancelled. But I have kept my ear to the ground, and not only will we see a massive announcement fest at E3 but we also have loads of already confirmed games.
This year (2002) has been called the year of Mario yet next year there are just as many Mario games than this year. Mario Kart will appear towards the end of the year with almost confirmed online capabilities, Camelot’s Gamecube games Mario Tennis and Golf will see a late release as well. And we shouldn’t exclude the promise of Shigeru Miyamoto’s 100 Mario’s. That proves that Nintendo’s number one mascot plans to continue his gaming assault. Yet despite awesome Mario spin off games that have enjoyed success in the past, two other Nintendo AAA stars plan to resurface. Enter Link, the game character that always surpasses Mario despite not enjoying the same sales success. The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto will probably appear over here in the summer and would be enough for the entire year alone. The second major Nintendo title that is as big as Mario and Zelda that will make their impact next year belongs to 351 monsters. Pokemon plans to appear on the Gameboy Advance next year and it is almost guaranteed that by Christmas 2003 the Gamecube will have its very own title as well. Could it be the heavily rumoured Pokemonline?
Which aids me onto what Nintendo plan to unveil at E3. E3 is now Nintendo’s premier gaming event as they now rely on western support after strange sale figures in Japan. It appears that Nintendo will undoubtedly confirm another major title (probably Pokemon) as Metroid Prime, Zelda and Mario will have all been released world wide. Rumours of Mario Sunshine 2 began when Shigeru Miyamoto expressed a desire to release major titles quicker. So what games will we see at E3? Well other than numerous mystery titles I’d expect Namco’s Starfox space shooter to appear in full force along with Shigsy’s much discussed ‘100 Mario’s’ game. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation Donkey Kong platformer from Nintendo will finally appear after Nintendo of America basically confirmed it. The next quirky game from Nintendo in the form of Giftipa will finally be playable along with Roll a Rama and the possibility of an Animal Crossing sequel. Animal Crossing meanwhile is an ongoing game a sequel wouldn’t only be an upgraded version of the original unless it went online. And this is when I predict Nintendo will shut up all the analysts with there online strategy confirmed, I’d expect at least four Nintendo made online titles including Mario Kart, Pokemon and maybe Animal Crossing. That’s excluding of course the third party titles, I would expect E3 2003 to be as big announcement wise as E3 2001 (when all Gamecube titles were revealed).
Yet what of before May (when E3 is shown), what of January, February, March and April? Well that is a little easier as I already know what to expect. In January the delayed Wario’s World will get its release by Treasure, this game promises excellent 2D/3D platforming pleasure. In February Resident Evil 0, the brand new Resi title with fresh ideas will get released. In the same month the imaginative and world famous Animal Crossing will finally see the light of day in Europe. March time is when I wouldn’t be surprised to see the second of the big three games release in the UK in the form of Retro Studio’s Metroid Prime and late April is when the third will probably see the light of day with The Legend of Zelda. So the run up to E3 is as large as the times after it, and now I move onto the massive Christmas us Europeans will experience, far larger than this year and that is for sure.
Phantasy Star online edition 1 and 2 will probably appear in summer as the summer game along with Resident Evil 2 and 3. Yet in the September – December months (a year from now) we will be drowning in games. F Zero, Starfox, Final Fantasy (that will sell thousands of cubes and millions of copies), Asylum, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, 100 Mario’s and a whole load of currently unannounced titles from Capcom, Namco, SEGA and even bigger titles from Nintendo. And that’s excluding the usual James Bond, FIFA, Tony Hawks, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and of course some Resident Evil title probably Resident Evil: Code Veronica X.
So tell me? Still worried now?
Dringo.
Page:
Savatt, you are a t*at.
Lets look here shall we.
X-box Live: How ever much a year
Broadband: £30 a month
Nintendo thing: However much a year
Broadband £30 a month
Dial-up £14.99 a month
I have a dial up connection, and I don't pay the cost of the call. I pay £15 a month, every month, for unlimited access.
So where are the extra charges now?
Your the one who has no idea what he's talking about.
Plese, be my guest, go ahead and tell me, form that information, how a using dial could possibly be more expensive.
Can't do it? Didn't think so.
Run along.
I think someone actually went in the X-box forum. If your quick you might be able to persuade them to stay.
Lets look here shall we.
X-box Live: How ever much a year
Broadband: £30 a month
Nintendo thing: However much a year
Broadband £30 a month
Dial-up £14.99 a month
I have a dial up connection, and I don't pay the cost of the call. I pay £15 a month, every month, for unlimited access.
So where are the extra charges now?
Your the one who has no idea what he's talking about.
Plese, be my guest, go ahead and tell me, form that information, how a using dial could possibly be more expensive.
Can't do it? Didn't think so.
Run along.
I think someone actually went in the X-box forum. If your quick you might be able to persuade them to stay.
Savatt78 wrote:
> ;-)) I've repeated it so many times and its just not sinking in is
> it. Its not just a case of a subscription fee. Maybe you didn't know
> about these little things called phonebills but believe it or not, you
> get charged for making calls and using dial up. Are things slowly
> coming together yet ?
I really don't see how using a dial up connection restricts you from paying a fixed monthly rate, instead of a phone bill? I don't know how SEGA did it, or how some PC gamers payed, but I've got a 56K dial up connection and play a £12.99 fixed monthly rate - no phone bill.
Why should it be different with console gaming?
> ;-)) I've repeated it so many times and its just not sinking in is
> it. Its not just a case of a subscription fee. Maybe you didn't know
> about these little things called phonebills but believe it or not, you
> get charged for making calls and using dial up. Are things slowly
> coming together yet ?
I really don't see how using a dial up connection restricts you from paying a fixed monthly rate, instead of a phone bill? I don't know how SEGA did it, or how some PC gamers payed, but I've got a 56K dial up connection and play a £12.99 fixed monthly rate - no phone bill.
Why should it be different with console gaming?
Savatt78 wrote:
> Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum
> and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as
> soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
Thing is, Savatt, that's an unfair comparison. We're talking about games here (the main part of gaming), where as you're talking about features. If we were talking about what extras for convenience/enjoyability/etc that GC Online offers, then it would be okay for you to offer your view.
> Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the
> online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
You're missing the point again...
> Interesting. So its fine for Nintendo fans to go into the X-Box forum
> and rant about the GC or compare things between the consoles, but as
> soon as I come in here, oh how things change.
Thing is, Savatt, that's an unfair comparison. We're talking about games here (the main part of gaming), where as you're talking about features. If we were talking about what extras for convenience/enjoyability/etc that GC Online offers, then it would be okay for you to offer your view.
> Oh and Dringo, don't swear at me just because I made a point about the
> online services that doesn't kiss Nintendo's backside.
You're missing the point again...
Savatt78 wrote:
> Very bold statement - good luck. $2 billion wasn't spent on the name
> X-Box Live - its what the service brings. Around 60 developers are
> currently working on titles for the online service.
> If Nintendo are going to compete, they're going to need a lot more
> titles than the ones you mentioned earlier.
A good few developers have been confirmed for GC Online too, and as for how many games, Nintendo usually go for quality over quantity.
> Nintendo are going to be supporting dial up as well and theres no way
> dial up can support the things that X-Box Live will be bringing. And
> I doubt Nintendo can afford or are interested enough to put in as much
> cash into making a quality broadband service seperate and different
> enough from their dial up service to compete with Microsoft.
Nintendo give the OPTION of dial up. That's the great thing about the GameCube - you get what you pay for. Don't want online services? Well don't buy 'em! Don't want the speed or convenience of the broadband modem which will ALSO BE AVAILABLE? Well get the 56K instead, for less money!
By not rushing into the online service, and doing it properly with optional add-ons, Nintendo are proving they're catering for a very wide range of gamers.
> Of course its not just how the service works, its also the games, but
> if you're playing say a new Pokemon Stadium game online and you can
> barely communicate with the other player, then whats the point ?
> It'll be like playing against the CPU. And overall, a keyboard,
> although an option to use, is very limited and just gets in the way
> when you're trying to play a game.
> If you're playing an RPG with a bunch of players and you see something
> nasty sneak up on one of them, you want to be able to quickly call out
> so you can actually help them, not quickly drop the controller and
> type "look out !" on a poxy keyboard. I played Phantasy
> Star Online on the Dreamcast and although fun, this kind of thing got
> very annoying. And then of course theres FPS games - no way in hell
> have you got time to stop and sod around with a keyboard with everyone
> always on the move trying to blow eachother away.
What with X-Box LIVE, and PS2 Online coming with a headset, I very much doubt Nintendo will stick with the tried and tested keyboard formula. You can expect a headset, or as it's not like Nintendo to follow the crowd, something fresh and new.
> And before anyone tries it, X-Box Live won't just consist of FPS
> games. There are already a bunch of online RPG's in the pipeline
> along with party style games, racers, beat em ups, sports games,
> etc.
The same goes for GameCube.
> Besides Phantasy Star Online, X-Box Live users will also be able to
> enjoy the likes of Star Wars: Galaxies and True Fantasy Live Online.
Last time I checked, Phantasy Star Online was a GC exclusive?
> I don't think you realise what Nintendo are up against when it comes
> to online play Dringo. Theres no way Nintendo are gonna simply trot
> in and "blow X-Box Live away".
I think Dringo meant in Japan, Savatt...
> Very bold statement - good luck. $2 billion wasn't spent on the name
> X-Box Live - its what the service brings. Around 60 developers are
> currently working on titles for the online service.
> If Nintendo are going to compete, they're going to need a lot more
> titles than the ones you mentioned earlier.
A good few developers have been confirmed for GC Online too, and as for how many games, Nintendo usually go for quality over quantity.
> Nintendo are going to be supporting dial up as well and theres no way
> dial up can support the things that X-Box Live will be bringing. And
> I doubt Nintendo can afford or are interested enough to put in as much
> cash into making a quality broadband service seperate and different
> enough from their dial up service to compete with Microsoft.
Nintendo give the OPTION of dial up. That's the great thing about the GameCube - you get what you pay for. Don't want online services? Well don't buy 'em! Don't want the speed or convenience of the broadband modem which will ALSO BE AVAILABLE? Well get the 56K instead, for less money!
By not rushing into the online service, and doing it properly with optional add-ons, Nintendo are proving they're catering for a very wide range of gamers.
> Of course its not just how the service works, its also the games, but
> if you're playing say a new Pokemon Stadium game online and you can
> barely communicate with the other player, then whats the point ?
> It'll be like playing against the CPU. And overall, a keyboard,
> although an option to use, is very limited and just gets in the way
> when you're trying to play a game.
> If you're playing an RPG with a bunch of players and you see something
> nasty sneak up on one of them, you want to be able to quickly call out
> so you can actually help them, not quickly drop the controller and
> type "look out !" on a poxy keyboard. I played Phantasy
> Star Online on the Dreamcast and although fun, this kind of thing got
> very annoying. And then of course theres FPS games - no way in hell
> have you got time to stop and sod around with a keyboard with everyone
> always on the move trying to blow eachother away.
What with X-Box LIVE, and PS2 Online coming with a headset, I very much doubt Nintendo will stick with the tried and tested keyboard formula. You can expect a headset, or as it's not like Nintendo to follow the crowd, something fresh and new.
> And before anyone tries it, X-Box Live won't just consist of FPS
> games. There are already a bunch of online RPG's in the pipeline
> along with party style games, racers, beat em ups, sports games,
> etc.
The same goes for GameCube.
> Besides Phantasy Star Online, X-Box Live users will also be able to
> enjoy the likes of Star Wars: Galaxies and True Fantasy Live Online.
Last time I checked, Phantasy Star Online was a GC exclusive?
> I don't think you realise what Nintendo are up against when it comes
> to online play Dringo. Theres no way Nintendo are gonna simply trot
> in and "blow X-Box Live away".
I think Dringo meant in Japan, Savatt...
Cyclone wrote:
> Good good. As you say there are loads more. Excellent.
>
> Is Splinter Cell coming to Cube? I didna know that.
Expect a release in early 2003 - it was something Dringo left out.
> Good good. As you say there are loads more. Excellent.
>
> Is Splinter Cell coming to Cube? I didna know that.
Expect a release in early 2003 - it was something Dringo left out.
Cyclone wrote:
> Savat, savat, savat.
>
> You stirring up trouble again?
>
> Stinky!
>
> Anyhoo, GC has both dial up and Boradand, so whats the problem?
>
> And it has Mario. So.
>
>
> ;)
>
>
> *XBOX IS SO RUBBISH IT HAS ITS OWN TRAMP!*
>
> Te-he!
Shut it skank ! ;-)
Your stinky GC isn't fit to rest my beverage on. ;-)
How've you been anyway ? Bought any more games ? What you getting next ?
I managed to win GAD so I've asked for Blinx. Looking to pick up Fifa 2003 tomorrow with a Controller S then later this month I'm hoping to get Splinter Cell, Unreal Championship, Mech Assault and Ghost Recon.
Probably some others too but its hard to keep up with the changing release dates. ;-))
> Savat, savat, savat.
>
> You stirring up trouble again?
>
> Stinky!
>
> Anyhoo, GC has both dial up and Boradand, so whats the problem?
>
> And it has Mario. So.
>
>
> ;)
>
>
> *XBOX IS SO RUBBISH IT HAS ITS OWN TRAMP!*
>
> Te-he!
Shut it skank ! ;-)
Your stinky GC isn't fit to rest my beverage on. ;-)
How've you been anyway ? Bought any more games ? What you getting next ?
I managed to win GAD so I've asked for Blinx. Looking to pick up Fifa 2003 tomorrow with a Controller S then later this month I'm hoping to get Splinter Cell, Unreal Championship, Mech Assault and Ghost Recon.
Probably some others too but its hard to keep up with the changing release dates. ;-))
Whitestripes wrote:
> And another thing:
>
> "Why should dial up users pay the same amount, or possibly more,
> for a worse service?"
>
> You are an idiot!!
>
> Once again, I said they should make it a lot cheaper for dial up users
> and:
>
> Why the hell would it cost dial up users more!?
>
> Why would they charge them more!?
I've already explained enough times, if you don't understand now, you probably never will. And seeing you call me an idiot while struggling to understand the concept of the word phonebill really is pretty amusing.
> How stupid are you!?
Don't worry, theres no danger of me reaching your standard in that department.
> Christ, I really can't beleive someone has been so ignorant if the
> things I've explained (how it would be cheaper for example) and come
> out wih such idiotic suggestions!
Its not ignorance, its called arguing with someone who obviously doesn't know what they're talking about.
> Hopefully I've mentioned it enough times now that you might actually
> understand it!!
I think this everytime I reply to you. I'm hoping the last couple of posts in this topic are simple enough for you to grasp now as I'm getting really tired of repeating myself in simpler and simpler ways to try and help you.
> And another thing:
>
> "Why should dial up users pay the same amount, or possibly more,
> for a worse service?"
>
> You are an idiot!!
>
> Once again, I said they should make it a lot cheaper for dial up users
> and:
>
> Why the hell would it cost dial up users more!?
>
> Why would they charge them more!?
I've already explained enough times, if you don't understand now, you probably never will. And seeing you call me an idiot while struggling to understand the concept of the word phonebill really is pretty amusing.
> How stupid are you!?
Don't worry, theres no danger of me reaching your standard in that department.
> Christ, I really can't beleive someone has been so ignorant if the
> things I've explained (how it would be cheaper for example) and come
> out wih such idiotic suggestions!
Its not ignorance, its called arguing with someone who obviously doesn't know what they're talking about.
> Hopefully I've mentioned it enough times now that you might actually
> understand it!!
I think this everytime I reply to you. I'm hoping the last couple of posts in this topic are simple enough for you to grasp now as I'm getting really tired of repeating myself in simpler and simpler ways to try and help you.
Whitestripes wrote:
> Oh my god, you are such a moron!!
Yeah I get that feeling a lot when I read your posts.
> Seeing as most of your argument in that reply was just repeating
> this:
>
>
> Did you fail to notice the fact that I said:
>
> "At least dial up users will still be able to play the
> games"
Yes they will - barely and like I said (if you noticed), they'll no doubt be plagued with lag and bad connections. What a wonderful thing to look forward to.
> and
>
> "all they have to do is ... and half the price"
So Nintendo are a phone company now ? They can half the price of any subscription they want, I still don't see them paying your phonebill for you. You pay whatever for broadband a month and thats that, you are not charged additional money for using it for hours on end. So in the long run, anyone who gets into online gaming is set to pay a lot more on dial up than on broadband.
> See, take away fancy features = Dial up users can still expirence
> online play AND it's half the price (or cheaper) for a simpler
> service.
Um, no its not - see above.
> Whose the sodding brick wall now?
Still you I'm affraid.
> Theres no way to argue with what I'm saying. And anyone will agree
> here that you have simply not read my post properly.
I just did argue with it.
> I'll go over it again:
>
> Simpler Service
>
> Cost Less
>
> Still get the chance to play online
>
>
> And all you can talk about is how it's unfair they should pay the same
> price and not get as much!
;-)) I've repeated it so many times and its just not sinking in is it. Its not just a case of a subscription fee. Maybe you didn't know about these little things called phonebills but believe it or not, you get charged for making calls and using dial up. Are things slowly coming together yet ?
While a broadband user pays a fixed price a month and enjoys unlimited access, the poor sod using dial up has to keep track of every moment they use the online gaming service as they could well end up paying around the same or more than the broadband user enjoying a superior service, regardless of subsription fee.
And yes they do get to play online - but with what they end up with access to (not to mention the quality of the connection a lot of the time - especially during busy times), it hardly seems worth it. Especially when they're paying a hefty amount to do so. They'll basically be left playing 4 player games and enjoying glorified chat rooms with a keyboard. They can do better than that by inviting a couple of friends over - and they won't have to pay for the privelage.
> I'm not trying to act big and clever, but compared to your last post
> I'm certainly cleverer than you are.
Keep telling yourself that.
> Why don't you try agian, and this time argue about something I haven't
> already explained.
If your arguements actually showed you knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't have to keep repeating it would I. I'm hoping things are sinking in because it really can't be put much simpler to you than I have done now.
> Oh my god, you are such a moron!!
Yeah I get that feeling a lot when I read your posts.
> Seeing as most of your argument in that reply was just repeating
> this:
>
>
> Did you fail to notice the fact that I said:
>
> "At least dial up users will still be able to play the
> games"
Yes they will - barely and like I said (if you noticed), they'll no doubt be plagued with lag and bad connections. What a wonderful thing to look forward to.
> and
>
> "all they have to do is ... and half the price"
So Nintendo are a phone company now ? They can half the price of any subscription they want, I still don't see them paying your phonebill for you. You pay whatever for broadband a month and thats that, you are not charged additional money for using it for hours on end. So in the long run, anyone who gets into online gaming is set to pay a lot more on dial up than on broadband.
> See, take away fancy features = Dial up users can still expirence
> online play AND it's half the price (or cheaper) for a simpler
> service.
Um, no its not - see above.
> Whose the sodding brick wall now?
Still you I'm affraid.
> Theres no way to argue with what I'm saying. And anyone will agree
> here that you have simply not read my post properly.
I just did argue with it.
> I'll go over it again:
>
> Simpler Service
>
> Cost Less
>
> Still get the chance to play online
>
>
> And all you can talk about is how it's unfair they should pay the same
> price and not get as much!
;-)) I've repeated it so many times and its just not sinking in is it. Its not just a case of a subscription fee. Maybe you didn't know about these little things called phonebills but believe it or not, you get charged for making calls and using dial up. Are things slowly coming together yet ?
While a broadband user pays a fixed price a month and enjoys unlimited access, the poor sod using dial up has to keep track of every moment they use the online gaming service as they could well end up paying around the same or more than the broadband user enjoying a superior service, regardless of subsription fee.
And yes they do get to play online - but with what they end up with access to (not to mention the quality of the connection a lot of the time - especially during busy times), it hardly seems worth it. Especially when they're paying a hefty amount to do so. They'll basically be left playing 4 player games and enjoying glorified chat rooms with a keyboard. They can do better than that by inviting a couple of friends over - and they won't have to pay for the privelage.
> I'm not trying to act big and clever, but compared to your last post
> I'm certainly cleverer than you are.
Keep telling yourself that.
> Why don't you try agian, and this time argue about something I haven't
> already explained.
If your arguements actually showed you knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't have to keep repeating it would I. I'm hoping things are sinking in because it really can't be put much simpler to you than I have done now.
Dringo wrote:
> I didn't mean that, rant all you will, just don't criticize my comment
> it was intended for a different target audience the Nintendo fans, not
> the X-box fans... yet you continue to criticize it...
>
> Being an X-box fan you will find the X-box online promise better due
> to the games appealing to you. The games do not appeal to us, Nintendo
> games do and all I was, was confirming that online Nintendo games are
> on the way so it will blow X-box live out of the water...
>
> From our point of view.
>
> The fact is you cannot change the fact that Mario is coming online no
> matter how much you try and tell me Microsoft have a headset... nice
> and useful, yes... mario, no.
Overall What I'm saying is is that its going to take more than Nintendo simply slinging their tried and trusted titles out to make their online service a big competitor. Games are the main part of it, but if the service itself is cack and limited, then in the long run, it will affect the games being developed for it. I'm not saying Nintendo games are tosh compared to X-Box games, I'm saying that they need a good online service supporting them to reach their full potential in online gaming.
What would you rather have - a Pokemon online game where you get to walk around with a couple of players catching Pokemon, or a game where you get to walk around a Pokemon world full of players wandering around on their own or in groups ?
Same with FPS games, a 4 player game doesn't come close to something like a 16 player one and its these kinds of options that just aren't realistic on a dial up service.
And of course to compete with the other online services, in particular X-Box Live, Nintendo will need to cater for as many tastes as possible which includes more realistic games (from third party developers). Of course they shouldn't betray their core fans, but they still need a good variation to attract other players. The other features might not seem like much to you lot, but they definatly play a part in bringing the online experience forwards. Its a lot better to be able to talk to friends and team mates online rather than having to drop the controller and type something - especially if its something like when you're trying to help someone with a quick warning which needs to be done in an instant rather than a few seconds while you try to type it to them.
It might not be so useful in a game such as Mario Kart, but as games come out for Nintendo's online service, I'm sure you'll soon find that you sure as hell wouldn't mind the option of chatting rather than typing.
> I didn't mean that, rant all you will, just don't criticize my comment
> it was intended for a different target audience the Nintendo fans, not
> the X-box fans... yet you continue to criticize it...
>
> Being an X-box fan you will find the X-box online promise better due
> to the games appealing to you. The games do not appeal to us, Nintendo
> games do and all I was, was confirming that online Nintendo games are
> on the way so it will blow X-box live out of the water...
>
> From our point of view.
>
> The fact is you cannot change the fact that Mario is coming online no
> matter how much you try and tell me Microsoft have a headset... nice
> and useful, yes... mario, no.
Overall What I'm saying is is that its going to take more than Nintendo simply slinging their tried and trusted titles out to make their online service a big competitor. Games are the main part of it, but if the service itself is cack and limited, then in the long run, it will affect the games being developed for it. I'm not saying Nintendo games are tosh compared to X-Box games, I'm saying that they need a good online service supporting them to reach their full potential in online gaming.
What would you rather have - a Pokemon online game where you get to walk around with a couple of players catching Pokemon, or a game where you get to walk around a Pokemon world full of players wandering around on their own or in groups ?
Same with FPS games, a 4 player game doesn't come close to something like a 16 player one and its these kinds of options that just aren't realistic on a dial up service.
And of course to compete with the other online services, in particular X-Box Live, Nintendo will need to cater for as many tastes as possible which includes more realistic games (from third party developers). Of course they shouldn't betray their core fans, but they still need a good variation to attract other players. The other features might not seem like much to you lot, but they definatly play a part in bringing the online experience forwards. Its a lot better to be able to talk to friends and team mates online rather than having to drop the controller and type something - especially if its something like when you're trying to help someone with a quick warning which needs to be done in an instant rather than a few seconds while you try to type it to them.
It might not be so useful in a game such as Mario Kart, but as games come out for Nintendo's online service, I'm sure you'll soon find that you sure as hell wouldn't mind the option of chatting rather than typing.
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