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just leting you guys know that this film is really funny and you should go and watch it.
its the only film ive been to that has made me laugh all the way through.
some really really funny parts too along with some gross parts
i definately recommend this.
just one question,
anyone from the area (i think it must be london) staines............thats also seen this film,
is it really like what it shows in the film about the "eastside" and "westside" having big gangs that hate eachother and often cause mayhem and so on????????
people with big rings saying "east/west side" going round with big guns and stuff??????
its the only film ive been to that has made me laugh all the way through.
some really really funny parts too along with some gross parts
i definately recommend this.
just one question,
anyone from the area (i think it must be london) staines............thats also seen this film,
is it really like what it shows in the film about the "eastside" and "westside" having big gangs that hate eachother and often cause mayhem and so on????????
people with big rings saying "east/west side" going round with big guns and stuff??????
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WOW,
I thought this topic was dead so i left it a few days later.
thanks you guys,i got the impression that all of london was fueding all the time from many different things not just the film.
To answer someones question it is definately a 15.
anyway,
thanks for all your detailed replies.
i was just curious thats all.
I thought this topic was dead so i left it a few days later.
thanks you guys,i got the impression that all of london was fueding all the time from many different things not just the film.
To answer someones question it is definately a 15.
anyway,
thanks for all your detailed replies.
i was just curious thats all.
It could be on the verge of breaking out again though, the gang war.
Uncle Phil is out of jail and on the prowl again. He's whipping up so much of the old animosities that the hip-hop convention earlier this month (I think) was abandoned after half the delgates failed to turn up, basically blaming Suge for bringing the gangs back in.
From NME.com
DEATH ROW RECORDS founder MARION 'SUGE' KNIGHT took centre stage at Thursday's West Coast Hip-Hop Summit in LOS ANGELES (February 14), questioning the absence of his peers at the event.
The music mogul, who arrived several hours into the program, caused a stir during his speech when he addressed the absence of many well known hip hop stars including Dr Dre, who was originally scheduled to appear at the summit but did not, Outkast , Will Smith and P. Diddy.
Controversy began when a woman identified as Joelle, a former recording artist for Death Row, interrupted Knight's speech to speculate that the reason for the artists' non-attendance was due to unwelcoming messages made in the lyrics of rap songs. Joelle's interjection caused an unidentified woman in the audience to continue the line of inquiry, at which point various members of the crowd including rival gang members from the area began arguing.
According to witnesses, the gang presence caused dozens of attendees, concerned about the escalating situation to exit the conference room of the Four Seasons Hotel. Tensions were quickly eased though by Def Jam founder and co-organiser of the summit, Russell Simmons who noted that the reason many of the artist were not present was because the conference was aimed at a West Coast audience.
"We had an East Coast summit and Puffy came, Redman, Method Man, a bunch of people came," he said. "There must have been 15 -20 artists there. We will have another summit in Atlanta and Miami and we'll have a National summit."
Uncle Phil is out of jail and on the prowl again. He's whipping up so much of the old animosities that the hip-hop convention earlier this month (I think) was abandoned after half the delgates failed to turn up, basically blaming Suge for bringing the gangs back in.
From NME.com
DEATH ROW RECORDS founder MARION 'SUGE' KNIGHT took centre stage at Thursday's West Coast Hip-Hop Summit in LOS ANGELES (February 14), questioning the absence of his peers at the event.
The music mogul, who arrived several hours into the program, caused a stir during his speech when he addressed the absence of many well known hip hop stars including Dr Dre, who was originally scheduled to appear at the summit but did not, Outkast , Will Smith and P. Diddy.
Controversy began when a woman identified as Joelle, a former recording artist for Death Row, interrupted Knight's speech to speculate that the reason for the artists' non-attendance was due to unwelcoming messages made in the lyrics of rap songs. Joelle's interjection caused an unidentified woman in the audience to continue the line of inquiry, at which point various members of the crowd including rival gang members from the area began arguing.
According to witnesses, the gang presence caused dozens of attendees, concerned about the escalating situation to exit the conference room of the Four Seasons Hotel. Tensions were quickly eased though by Def Jam founder and co-organiser of the summit, Russell Simmons who noted that the reason many of the artist were not present was because the conference was aimed at a West Coast audience.
"We had an East Coast summit and Puffy came, Redman, Method Man, a bunch of people came," he said. "There must have been 15 -20 artists there. We will have another summit in Atlanta and Miami and we'll have a National summit."
Yeah, you're right about uncle phil, I don't know, I always remember his name in the credits and just put the two together, though they look like twins. In reality, it is hard to see him playing the uncle phil role.
However, you say that 2pac started saying he'd been with faith evans, but you don't deny the validity of what I said, so you are really just filling in the blanks.
As for the gang stuff, this is slightly trickier. Of course, Xzibit does the crip walk as do other artists in their videos, and Suge will always like a nice red carpet, but if you compare it to the situation in 1997, you have to admit that it's a different story. There is very little gang stories told, and I think that the money and business comes first. I think the nas/jay-z beef is slightly phony, and the deaths of 2pac and big did make the hip-hop community. There is nothing wrong with an artist representing his coast, just not at the expense of others. And it is slightly redundant these days, in my opinion.
By the way, aren't Dilated Peoples truly fantastic?
However, you say that 2pac started saying he'd been with faith evans, but you don't deny the validity of what I said, so you are really just filling in the blanks.
As for the gang stuff, this is slightly trickier. Of course, Xzibit does the crip walk as do other artists in their videos, and Suge will always like a nice red carpet, but if you compare it to the situation in 1997, you have to admit that it's a different story. There is very little gang stories told, and I think that the money and business comes first. I think the nas/jay-z beef is slightly phony, and the deaths of 2pac and big did make the hip-hop community. There is nothing wrong with an artist representing his coast, just not at the expense of others. And it is slightly redundant these days, in my opinion.
By the way, aren't Dilated Peoples truly fantastic?
Mr. Happy wrote:
>Uncle Phil is not, was not, and never will be a nasty
> record exec.
Suge Knight was a nasty record exec... He once dangled Vanilla Ice off a hotel balcony by his feet to get him to sign a contract.
But wouldn't we all like to dangle Vanilla Ice off a hotel balcony...
The hip hop years on channel 4... I subconciously know the entire history of hip hop.
In one interview, refuting calims that he was a manufactured star and claiming to have hip-hop credibility -
Vanilla Ice: Yeah, I'm street
In seperate interview, having seen the latter interview -
Ice T (laughing): Yeah? What street d'he grow up on? Sesame Street?
>Uncle Phil is not, was not, and never will be a nasty
> record exec.
Suge Knight was a nasty record exec... He once dangled Vanilla Ice off a hotel balcony by his feet to get him to sign a contract.
But wouldn't we all like to dangle Vanilla Ice off a hotel balcony...
The hip hop years on channel 4... I subconciously know the entire history of hip hop.
In one interview, refuting calims that he was a manufactured star and claiming to have hip-hop credibility -
Vanilla Ice: Yeah, I'm street
In seperate interview, having seen the latter interview -
Ice T (laughing): Yeah? What street d'he grow up on? Sesame Street?
Seinfeld Fan wrote:
> 2pac (of LA) and Notorious BIG (of
> NYC)started recording diss tracks about each other in the 1996-7 period.
Well, 2pac started saying he'd been having his way with BIG's wife...
> So, 2pac and his label boss, Suge Knight (Uncle Phil out of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air)
Stop right there... He just LOOKS like Uncle Phil, as many have observed, maybe that's what you meant, but Uncle Phil is not, was not, and never will be a nasty record exec.
> there's no gang signs or anything.
Yeah there are. It's not as high profile as it was back then but rap is still rife with gangsta-ism and they form their only little gangs and mark out their own little fiefdoms. There's rivalries between groups and as long as those groups are affiliated with gangs, which they invariably are, then there's always going to rivalries. It may have progressed from East coast and west coast, but it still goes on.
Apparently David Beckham displaying out the east-west rivalry on his back in tattoos... but that's another story entirely.
> 2pac (of LA) and Notorious BIG (of
> NYC)started recording diss tracks about each other in the 1996-7 period.
Well, 2pac started saying he'd been having his way with BIG's wife...
> So, 2pac and his label boss, Suge Knight (Uncle Phil out of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air)
Stop right there... He just LOOKS like Uncle Phil, as many have observed, maybe that's what you meant, but Uncle Phil is not, was not, and never will be a nasty record exec.
> there's no gang signs or anything.
Yeah there are. It's not as high profile as it was back then but rap is still rife with gangsta-ism and they form their only little gangs and mark out their own little fiefdoms. There's rivalries between groups and as long as those groups are affiliated with gangs, which they invariably are, then there's always going to rivalries. It may have progressed from East coast and west coast, but it still goes on.
Apparently David Beckham displaying out the east-west rivalry on his back in tattoos... but that's another story entirely.
staines is just a normal town its about 15 miles from london and i live pretty near to it. Its been through a lot of redevelopment and has a new big shopping centre. It seems to have a pretty low pikey population and not that big an ethnic minority really. The Matthew Arnold school where he went to looks pretty normal. In anwser to your questin it is not over run by wild gang wars or violence. Its only drawback is an sr shop nearby (only joking).
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Hercules, today is your lucky day. Let me set you straight. The East vs. West thing was an American phenomenon in which the hip-hop media fuelled a war between the two coasts. Once good friends, 2pac (of LA) and Notorious BIG (of NYC)started recording diss tracks about each other in the 1996-7 period. So, 2pac and his label boss, Suge Knight (Uncle Phil out of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air) were driving in las vegas after the mike tyson fight, when a car drove by and killed 2pac in the summer of 1997. No-one really knows who killed him: it varies from his own gang, to Suge himself, to opposition gangs, to Biggie and Puffy, depending on which nuts you speak to. Some even think it's a conspiracy and he's still alive today, but it was probably feuding gangs. As for Notorious, he was killed a few months later, in similarly dubious cicumstances. However, all of that is in the past, and no true hip hop fan would differentiate like that anymore; there's no gang signs or anything. So when you see Ali G throwing up gang signs and trying to make out that Staines is like that, he is just joking. I hope that's cleared things up.
But to return to the initial thread, I found the film not insulting or racist as some critics have said, but just simply unfunny. I know this because I didn't laugh very much. I did enjoy the dog scene, as indeed the blind road sweeper bit, but the rest of it was very boring. Best line was the reference to 'Martin Luther Vandross'. It was very immature humour indeed, and certainly not what we have come to expect from Baron Caron.
For what it's worth, I think he will retire the Ali G character. He's a smart guy and knows that he has outstayed his welcome. His initial appeal came from people not knowing who he was, but now everyone does. From what I've seen of his earlier work, he's here to stay, but not in his present form.
But to return to the initial thread, I found the film not insulting or racist as some critics have said, but just simply unfunny. I know this because I didn't laugh very much. I did enjoy the dog scene, as indeed the blind road sweeper bit, but the rest of it was very boring. Best line was the reference to 'Martin Luther Vandross'. It was very immature humour indeed, and certainly not what we have come to expect from Baron Caron.
For what it's worth, I think he will retire the Ali G character. He's a smart guy and knows that he has outstayed his welcome. His initial appeal came from people not knowing who he was, but now everyone does. From what I've seen of his earlier work, he's here to stay, but not in his present form.
Kurtz wrote:
> Flog that dead horse.
Exactly :-)
> Flog that dead horse.
Exactly :-)
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