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Finding out about a game that has been released in a couple of European Countries has brought me out from my enforced hiatus to post my feelings about this:
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
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*Walks into room late*
Jimmy Duck wrote:
> later i'm going to beat up
black and jewish people.
Racist pig you
Jimmy Duck wrote:
> later i'm going to beat up
black and jewish people.
Racist pig you
Jimmy Duck wrote:
i it find stupid
> what are you basing it on, one line of writing. if you think you can sum up
> someones intelligent in one line of writing
one line of writing? He's said that there is already a huge website full of racist bigots who want nothing more than beat up some inocent person from a minority background.
Thats what its based on
i it find stupid
> what are you basing it on, one line of writing. if you think you can sum up
> someones intelligent in one line of writing
one line of writing? He's said that there is already a huge website full of racist bigots who want nothing more than beat up some inocent person from a minority background.
Thats what its based on
So it sounds fun to be able to attack ethnic groups without the consequence of law?
What am I not seeing here?
What am I not understanding?
What am I not seeing here?
What am I not understanding?
When i said sound fun i mean it as sounds fun as in been able to do this with out being bangged up just as GTA3 is fun. Not because later i'm going to beat up black and jewish people.
Jimmy Duck wrote:
But the thing is it wouldn't make a good game would it.
Not everything has to be turned into a game. There are plenty of things to play without games where the idea is to basically pick your least favourite race of people and beat them up.
Its the ideas behind it all. Theres more to life than games
But the thing is it wouldn't make a good game would it.
Not everything has to be turned into a game. There are plenty of things to play without games where the idea is to basically pick your least favourite race of people and beat them up.
Its the ideas behind it all. Theres more to life than games
GTA3
Your targets were criminals, drug dealers and other assorted criminal types.
Ok, I forgot the whole rising through criminal organisation, my bad.
But there were consequences for attacking civilians, you never lasted long if you deviated from the missions and went mental.
But a game that actively encourages the assault and murder of minority groups and promotes football violence is not something that this world needs.
It's one thing to create a fantasy city with rules and regs that govern your actions and try to keep you within a certain moral framework.
It's another thing entirely where you are supposed to maim and murder people just for the sake of it.
Thrill Kill is banned, and that's a shoddy Mortal Kombat game.
Yet a Nazi game with a race-hate website is openly available and somebody says "sounds cool".
As long as people think it's cool to be a skinhead thug on rampages for no reason other than thrills, then we'll always have problems and always have single-cell morons that drive in the middle lane on motorways, watch Battle Royale for the head-with-grenade bit and think it's cool to buy a game with Nazi ideas and tactics.
Your targets were criminals, drug dealers and other assorted criminal types.
Ok, I forgot the whole rising through criminal organisation, my bad.
But there were consequences for attacking civilians, you never lasted long if you deviated from the missions and went mental.
But a game that actively encourages the assault and murder of minority groups and promotes football violence is not something that this world needs.
It's one thing to create a fantasy city with rules and regs that govern your actions and try to keep you within a certain moral framework.
It's another thing entirely where you are supposed to maim and murder people just for the sake of it.
Thrill Kill is banned, and that's a shoddy Mortal Kombat game.
Yet a Nazi game with a race-hate website is openly available and somebody says "sounds cool".
As long as people think it's cool to be a skinhead thug on rampages for no reason other than thrills, then we'll always have problems and always have single-cell morons that drive in the middle lane on motorways, watch Battle Royale for the head-with-grenade bit and think it's cool to buy a game with Nazi ideas and tactics.
Note to Goatboy:
Use Prime to avoid many such comments that you don't want to read.
It may take all day before you get 5 worthy responses, but it's better than 100 replies from someones face.
Talk about instantly proving a point though, God damn.
Use Prime to avoid many such comments that you don't want to read.
It may take all day before you get 5 worthy responses, but it's better than 100 replies from someones face.
Talk about instantly proving a point though, God damn.
Perphaps, goatboy you should look at it from another direction. The person who made this is either trying to do something he's never done before is a nazi.
Yes, may of said something stupid at the start but we all say somehting stupid one time in our life. But to crictise someone else intellignce ,i it find stupid what are you basing it on, one line of writing. if you think you can sum up someones intelligent in one line of writing then perphaps it is you that is thick. I could of written fibble gibble wibble it wouldn't have made me any less intelligent, just ignoring facts.
Yes, may of said something stupid at the start but we all say somehting stupid one time in our life. But to crictise someone else intellignce ,i it find stupid what are you basing it on, one line of writing. if you think you can sum up someones intelligent in one line of writing then perphaps it is you that is thick. I could of written fibble gibble wibble it wouldn't have made me any less intelligent, just ignoring facts.
Meka Dragon wrote:
But that's not right. We should be
> willing to listen to the views of others, we don't have to agree with them, but
> we shouldn't be eliminating all that don't see the world through out eyes.
Like what America (and soon Britain) is doing to Afghanistan you mean?
It's all hypocrisy. It always has been and always will be.
But that's not right. We should be
> willing to listen to the views of others, we don't have to agree with them, but
> we shouldn't be eliminating all that don't see the world through out eyes.
Like what America (and soon Britain) is doing to Afghanistan you mean?
It's all hypocrisy. It always has been and always will be.
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