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"Hooligan: Nazi Entertainment.?"

Finding out about a game that has been released in a couple of European Countries has brought me out from my enforced hiatus to post my feelings about this:

Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:

The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!

You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.

Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.

A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.

The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.

This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.

What's wrong with my post?

I would honestly believe you if you took the ****ing time to write correctly, you *.

You didn't even take the time to read the post properly originally, why the hell should anyone in the world care about you? Go away to some teenage angst forum or something, where you damn belong, and take half the members with you.

hey grix, get stuffed. I don't need to be told what to do it is becasue i have a different piont of view, in my opinion it is right. I haven't copied anyone these are my own thoughts. I could play this game and not be offended it doesn't mean that i would do this in my life.

Hear Hear

First point, bad move Goatboy. This belongs in Prime, and don't give me that crap "nobody goes in prime". People with minds go in prime, it's just people without them make the topics. Need more topics that require thought.

Keyword: Entertainment. How the hell can someone find this entertaining? It's absolutely sadistic for a start, and to be fair, disgusting.

There's this temptation to say "if you can do it in your home, then it'll take the stress factor off, and you won't be so encouraged to do it..." but that's bullcrap. It gives you more confidence to do something like this. It's like making a "How to murder that cheating cow, step by step". People who don't think need to be told what to do. Like Jimmy Duck on here, all he's doing is repeating statements he's heard others say because he thinks it's useable here.

I'm getting really, really fed up with this notable/newbie shat now. Any more of it and I'm off.

On the site, it says in the scroll bar below it is making Czech, Russian and other versions - which it "hopes to be out by the World Championships"

I haven't played the game yet but I heard about it ages ago (I wrote about it last year sometime in a post). It looks rubbish, and I can't say I know much about it but from what I've seen it looks a bit too controversial.

It's not what computer games are about. I've always said computer games are harmless, but when a developer starts to fill it with race hate violence and propaganda, it's not just trying to be entertaining anymore, is it? It's trying to put you in a situation where you too can partake in these acts, and I for one don't want to do that.

By the way, has anybody read 'The Marabou Stork Nighmare' by Irvine Welsh? There were parts in that that glorified football hooliganism, but again it wasn't without consequence, and I don't remember any specific race targetting. Mind you, I read that 5 years ago or so.

Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Yes, if you became a muslim then i caouldn't care less. I never said it's right
> did i don't like the nazis. You can't outlaw beliefs.

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I agree 100%.
However, in my original post,I said believing in freedom of expression also extends to letting bigots and fascists have their say.
I'm not having a go at the people that would play this,I'm having a go at the fact that someone even thought this was a good idea in the first place.

Nazi propaganda and promotion is illegal in most European countries, for good reason.
But there will be means, and the net offers more,of these people spreading their beliefs wider than you would like.

I don't like Nazism, therefore I do not seek it out. I consciously avoid situations and sites where I am likely to stumble across race-hate material.
That is my choice as an adult, to avoid something I find offensive in the extreme.
Only now it's in a computer game on a shelf in front of me.
I didn't ask for Nazi literature, so why is it staring out at me, nestled beside Half-Life and Hexen?

This is what I object to, the fact that Nazi material is publicly made available in a gaming medium, where it is totally outlawed in any other form of entertainment.
If I went into "Adolf's Emporium" I couldn't complain, because it was my decision to place myself in an arena where I may reasonably expect to find such stuff - it would be my own fault and blame for being there.
However, I don't expect to walk into SR/Game/W H Smiths and find Pro-Nazi computer games staring out at me.
I find this utterly offensive in every degree.

Be a Nazi, I can't change that. But I do not, nor will not tolerate, being presented with hate material uninvited when I go to collect a game about space monsters.

It is the fact that,despite my best efforts to remove myself from situations where I would come up against offensive material, it is placed in full public view without my consent.
It is illegal to promote Nazi idealisms, yet by putting them into a "game", Meka can now purchase this game and let his kids play it if he wasn't aware of what it is.

Nazism through covert methods. Insidious, hateful thoughts available to you and me because of a computer game.

Jimmy Duck wrote:
> if people wan to be nazi them let them because it's there choice.

Yeah sure, lets give them that choice, then lets lock them up. It is not acceptable to believe in an ideology that is pure hatred of difference, and that openly expresses that hatred towards groups in a violent way. If someone wants to believe in Witchcraft ? Fine, so long as they harm no one else. Scientology ? Go ahead. Mormansim ? Whatever. you have to draw a line at Nazism, it is not any kind of religion or even a true ideology, it was an attempt to justify the actions of the leaders of a country before they took place. If you (and I dont mean "you" as in personally anyone, I mean it in a general term) then you should have been born about 72 years earlier, that way you could have defended Berlin, and found out what Nazism really leads to, and I doubt the Russians would have listened to "its okay people can beleive what they want!".........

Alternatively, find a history book, or maybe even a grandparent that saw the face of nazism in Germany, and then say that it should be tolerated. It shouldn't. My granddad once told me how after the war he was at one of the concentration camps with others from his RAF squadron, and he can still remember everything he saw. He's 91 this year.

Brew wrote:

>Exactly, but that would be their natural reaction anyway.

Sad but true, yeah.