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I am sure I will get tons of hate messages for this but still it has to be said.
After the 90 million pound fine and the xbox selling more in one week I feel that (to my sadness) that Gamecube will have it last year next year.
With the Ps2 still storming the market and the neverending pockets of microsoft I believe that the market is to small to have 3 consoles in.
I think in order for Nintendo to stay in the market is for them to make a first person shooter that will change the market like Goldeneye did.
Mario Kart will have to be amazing which I believe it will be. Maybe bring out an expansion pack so the GC can have more Ram and better graphics. Make a game like GTA and advertise more. I see more adverts for ps2 and xbox than for GC.
Come on Nintendo I am counting on you.
After the 90 million pound fine and the xbox selling more in one week I feel that (to my sadness) that Gamecube will have it last year next year.
With the Ps2 still storming the market and the neverending pockets of microsoft I believe that the market is to small to have 3 consoles in.
I think in order for Nintendo to stay in the market is for them to make a first person shooter that will change the market like Goldeneye did.
Mario Kart will have to be amazing which I believe it will be. Maybe bring out an expansion pack so the GC can have more Ram and better graphics. Make a game like GTA and advertise more. I see more adverts for ps2 and xbox than for GC.
Come on Nintendo I am counting on you.
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Alcofrolic wrote:
> "First of all, the fine went from £5.4 million to £9.2
> million very quickly and drastically, so you can expect the appeal to
> bring that crashing back down to a much lower fine. Secondly, Nintendo
> started putting money away back in 1998 for this eventuality, so it's
> been prepared for."
>
> Sorry, but you are wrong there.
>
> The fine was 5.4 million in europe and a further 92 million in the
> US.
> Nintendo couldnt have prepared for this otherwise they wouldnt have
> done it in the first place.
>
> Also, 97.4 million total isnt very much to a company like them.
Sorry, but you're the one who is mistaken. Nintendo aren't being fined for anything they've done in the US - they're being fined for telling retailers not to drop below a certain price in some European countries. They then stopped for some reason (probably saw sense) in 1998, and began to put money to the side to prepare for the eventuality of a fine (don't ask me how they knew - it was on the official site).
Fast forward to 2002 then, and Nintendo have been fined £5.4 million for rigging prices in some European countries in the time period of 1996-98. But it doesn't stop there. The people in charge decide to make an example of Nintendo and are particularly harsh - raising the fine to £92.1 million. Nintendo begin to plan an appeal which will almost certainly bring the price right back down.
And £92.1 million is a HUGE amount to ANY company. Think about it, if Metal Gear Solid 2 took £10 million to make - what could Nintendo have down with almost ten times that amount?
> "First of all, the fine went from £5.4 million to £9.2
> million very quickly and drastically, so you can expect the appeal to
> bring that crashing back down to a much lower fine. Secondly, Nintendo
> started putting money away back in 1998 for this eventuality, so it's
> been prepared for."
>
> Sorry, but you are wrong there.
>
> The fine was 5.4 million in europe and a further 92 million in the
> US.
> Nintendo couldnt have prepared for this otherwise they wouldnt have
> done it in the first place.
>
> Also, 97.4 million total isnt very much to a company like them.
Sorry, but you're the one who is mistaken. Nintendo aren't being fined for anything they've done in the US - they're being fined for telling retailers not to drop below a certain price in some European countries. They then stopped for some reason (probably saw sense) in 1998, and began to put money to the side to prepare for the eventuality of a fine (don't ask me how they knew - it was on the official site).
Fast forward to 2002 then, and Nintendo have been fined £5.4 million for rigging prices in some European countries in the time period of 1996-98. But it doesn't stop there. The people in charge decide to make an example of Nintendo and are particularly harsh - raising the fine to £92.1 million. Nintendo begin to plan an appeal which will almost certainly bring the price right back down.
And £92.1 million is a HUGE amount to ANY company. Think about it, if Metal Gear Solid 2 took £10 million to make - what could Nintendo have down with almost ten times that amount?
maddmun wrote:
> Microsoft lose money for each X-Box sold, so they make money from
> software, they give away 2 games for free, Good Idea? NO.
Maddmun, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo alike use this strategy, and yes - it is a good idea. They market their consoles at relatively affordable prices, only to make what they've lost back on software sales - it's a clever strategy. The thing is that with the frantic price cuts and bundles with the X-Box, Microsoft have lost so much on each console sold they have now stated they will NEVER make a profit on the X-Box.
> Microsoft lose money for each X-Box sold, so they make money from
> software, they give away 2 games for free, Good Idea? NO.
Maddmun, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo alike use this strategy, and yes - it is a good idea. They market their consoles at relatively affordable prices, only to make what they've lost back on software sales - it's a clever strategy. The thing is that with the frantic price cuts and bundles with the X-Box, Microsoft have lost so much on each console sold they have now stated they will NEVER make a profit on the X-Box.
And Profits.
Nintendo have made much more profit on the GC than Microsoft have for the X-box, paving way for future games and consoles with the money.
Nintendo have made much more profit on the GC than Microsoft have for the X-box, paving way for future games and consoles with the money.
But what do you mean by fail anyway? If success is measured simply by sales then I think that's a pretty shallow measure of success. GameCube has already succeeded to an extent. Nintendo have confirmed they are working on a new home console and a new handheld. They are staying in both markets, meaning they have succeeded in surviving despite Sony domination for years. And they are turning back the tide. They are doing better with GameCube than they did with the N64, due to some great (and more numerous) first party titles and a lot more third party support.
And if you measure success by innovation and originality, then the GameCube has also been a success. With the planned GC-GBA connectivity and a host of games (Pikmin, Doshin, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion) that any other developer would shy away from because they don't fit neatly in any genre pigeon hole, the GameCube has already proved it's worth. It may not be selling as well as the PS2 or Xbox for that matter, but it is succeeding in bringing some great games to the public, with more to come, and isn't this how we should be measuring the success of a console?
And if you measure success by innovation and originality, then the GameCube has also been a success. With the planned GC-GBA connectivity and a host of games (Pikmin, Doshin, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion) that any other developer would shy away from because they don't fit neatly in any genre pigeon hole, the GameCube has already proved it's worth. It may not be selling as well as the PS2 or Xbox for that matter, but it is succeeding in bringing some great games to the public, with more to come, and isn't this how we should be measuring the success of a console?
davidsobell wrote:
> I think in order for Nintendo to stay in the market is for them to
> make a first person shooter that will change the market like Goldeneye
> did.
>
It's called Metroid Prime.
> I think in order for Nintendo to stay in the market is for them to
> make a first person shooter that will change the market like Goldeneye
> did.
>
It's called Metroid Prime.
torticollis wrote:
> ok mafias coming exclusively console wise to gc which i have played
> and is utterly fantastic (in my opinion better than gta (gasp))
Are you sure, I thought it was going to PS2?
> ok mafias coming exclusively console wise to gc which i have played
> and is utterly fantastic (in my opinion better than gta (gasp))
Are you sure, I thought it was going to PS2?
Nintendo were "fixing" game prices in Europe.
Apparently we pay something like 67% less than Germans and also the Australians.
Stupid really but if they were "prepared" as some people have been saying then they shouldnt have "fixed" them in the first place!
Apparently we pay something like 67% less than Germans and also the Australians.
Stupid really but if they were "prepared" as some people have been saying then they shouldnt have "fixed" them in the first place!
im sorry, whjat was the fine for, i have been a coma you see
ok mafias coming exclusively console wise to gc which i have played and is utterly fantastic (in my opinion better than gta (gasp))
> After the 90 million pound fine and the xbox selling more in one week
> I feel that (to my sadness) that Gamecube will have it last year next
> year.
First of all, the fine went from £5.4 million to £9.2 million very quickly and drastically, so you can expect the appeal to bring that crashing back down to a much lower fine. Secondly, Nintendo started putting money away back in 1998 for this eventuality, so it's been prepared for.
Sorry, but you are wrong there.
The fine was 5.4 million in europe and a further 92 million in the US.
Nintendo couldnt have prepared for this otherwise they wouldnt have done it in the first place.
Also, 97.4 million total isnt very much to a company like them.
So, in short the Gamecube will not fail in the coming months or even years.
If it were destined to fail it would have already done so
> I feel that (to my sadness) that Gamecube will have it last year next
> year.
First of all, the fine went from £5.4 million to £9.2 million very quickly and drastically, so you can expect the appeal to bring that crashing back down to a much lower fine. Secondly, Nintendo started putting money away back in 1998 for this eventuality, so it's been prepared for.
Sorry, but you are wrong there.
The fine was 5.4 million in europe and a further 92 million in the US.
Nintendo couldnt have prepared for this otherwise they wouldnt have done it in the first place.
Also, 97.4 million total isnt very much to a company like them.
So, in short the Gamecube will not fail in the coming months or even years.
If it were destined to fail it would have already done so
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