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No sooner are Nintendo boasting 'amazing' figures of 500,000 sales of Super Mario Sunshine in the United Kingdom on launch day, Rockstar were able to announce that they would not be able to meet the demand of 1.7 million copies of Grand Theft Auto Vice City for its launch!
What an embarassment for Nintendo eh? Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed by a team of developers that were little more than nothing five years ago!
Of course there is much to take into consideration. Grand Theft Auto is aimed at the age-group where people love to be in constant money troubles, where being a sheep is at the top of their priorities, and doing something different...well that's unheard of in their vocabularies, whereas Nintendo rely mainly on the sales of games to the parents buying the cute and the cuddily for their 'innocent' little darlings.
Saying that, both games are brilliant! Grand Theft Auto: Vice City beats the Gee Willickers off any other Playstation 2 game, the only one coming close being Grand Theft Auto 3. There's good gameplay, graphics, storyline, and a brilliant lack of linearity that makes this game so open to free play that it will last you longer than the effects of watching too many channel five late night movies!
Super Mario Sunshine works in a different way, offering variety, innocence and a fun 'cleaning is cool' message that the kids will still ignore. Platform games have always been fun, except for Mario's accident based on Japanese trash Doki Doki Panic, which for some tragic reason was brought back to life on the Game Boy Advance last year. They're usually fun, challenging, and very stimulating for the imgination, and leave you wanting more.
Nintendo could see this as an embarrassment, but considering their handheld, the Game Boy Advance, is still doing more than enough sales to keep Nintendo the best performing videogames developer at present, they don't have much to worry about. What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality, they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony. They still released Grand Theft Auto 1, 2, 3 and London on the PC, and have released Smuggler's Run multi-format. As far as Rockstar are concerned, they're still competing with Sony. What is also a shame is that because of poor sales, in comparison to Sony's Playstation 2 anyway, games such as Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem and the likes, are under-rated or not rated at all because only a minority play them.
At the end of the day, all Nintendo can do is smile, and take it good heartedly. Mario's still sold very well, even if Vice City has done a hell of a lot better. Rockstar can bask in their glory as the wage packets are five times thicker this month, and Sony can be happy that their Playstation 2 is still top for now. We're still to see anything really big, except their console, from Microsoft as of late though.
What an embarassment for Nintendo eh? Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed by a team of developers that were little more than nothing five years ago!
Of course there is much to take into consideration. Grand Theft Auto is aimed at the age-group where people love to be in constant money troubles, where being a sheep is at the top of their priorities, and doing something different...well that's unheard of in their vocabularies, whereas Nintendo rely mainly on the sales of games to the parents buying the cute and the cuddily for their 'innocent'
Saying that, both games are brilliant! Grand Theft Auto: Vice City beats the Gee Willickers off any other Playstation 2 game, the only one coming close being Grand Theft Auto 3. There's good gameplay, graphics, storyline, and a brilliant lack of linearity that makes this game so open to free play that it will last you longer than the effects of watching too many channel five late night movies!
Super Mario Sunshine works in a different way, offering variety, innocence and a fun 'cleaning is cool' message that the kids will still ignore. Platform games have always been fun, except for Mario's accident based on Japanese trash Doki Doki Panic, which for some tragic reason was brought back to life on the Game Boy Advance last year. They're usually fun, challenging, and very stimulating for the imgination, and leave you wanting more.
Nintendo could see this as an embarrassment, but considering their handheld, the Game Boy Advance, is still doing more than enough sales to keep Nintendo the best performing videogames developer at present, they don't have much to worry about. What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality, they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony. They still released Grand Theft Auto 1, 2, 3 and London on the PC, and have released Smuggler's Run multi-format. As far as Rockstar are concerned, they're still competing with Sony. What is also a shame is that because of poor sales, in comparison to Sony's Playstation 2 anyway, games such as Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem and the likes, are under-rated or not rated at all because only a minority play them.
At the end of the day, all Nintendo can do is smile, and take it good heartedly. Mario's still sold very well, even if Vice City has done a hell of a lot better. Rockstar can bask in their glory as the wage packets are five times thicker this month, and Sony can be happy that their Playstation 2 is still top for now. We're still to see anything really big, except their console, from Microsoft as of late though.
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Strafex wrote:
> And they're a British based company too...
DUNDEE based, it's a SCOTISH COMPANY!
Scots don't like being called Brits, unless it's for world war purposes, since we all worked together like a happy family
:D
> And they're a British based company too...
DUNDEE based, it's a SCOTISH COMPANY!
Scots don't like being called Brits, unless it's for world war purposes, since we all worked together like a happy family
:D
Pointless Babble wrote:
> *Yawns*
>
> Faaaaaaaaaanboy. You know why this should bother you? Because I'm a
> PS2 owner, not a Gamecube owner, or an X-Box owner. Comes to something
> when your "bretheren" tell you that you're a moron.
>
> I don't think Nintendo are in tears yet, you're neglecting to realise
> that the GB Advance outsells the Gamecube here, that's where they're
> making their moolah at present. But then I don't expect an education
> or pretty broad horizoned observation to be made from someone with his
> nose shoved up Sony's rectum. ;)
Who's this you're talking about? I mentioned the fact that although in comparison to Rockstar's sales of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, sales of Super Mario Sunshine are still high.
I also made a point to mention that Sony haven't won it yet. They may have beaten Sega in the console wars, but Nintendo and Microsoft are still fighting and are bound to get even bigger shares of the console market next time round.
And Whitestripes, I did mention Microsoft, infact I said the only big thing they've produced is the console itself, which I have to admit is pretty darn heavy...
> *Yawns*
>
> Faaaaaaaaaanboy. You know why this should bother you? Because I'm a
> PS2 owner, not a Gamecube owner, or an X-Box owner. Comes to something
> when your "bretheren" tell you that you're a moron.
>
> I don't think Nintendo are in tears yet, you're neglecting to realise
> that the GB Advance outsells the Gamecube here, that's where they're
> making their moolah at present. But then I don't expect an education
> or pretty broad horizoned observation to be made from someone with his
> nose shoved up Sony's rectum. ;)
Who's this you're talking about? I mentioned the fact that although in comparison to Rockstar's sales of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, sales of Super Mario Sunshine are still high.
I also made a point to mention that Sony haven't won it yet. They may have beaten Sega in the console wars, but Nintendo and Microsoft are still fighting and are bound to get even bigger shares of the console market next time round.
And Whitestripes, I did mention Microsoft, infact I said the only big thing they've produced is the console itself, which I have to admit is pretty darn heavy...
So despite there being atleast 5-6 PS2 owners for every Gamecube owner, Vice City only gets 3 times as many sales.
I wouldn't exactly call that a mockery of Nintendo...
Anyway, Rockstar haven't done jack except advertise and put their name on the game's box. The real genius behind it are DMA design.
Nope, they're not one hit wonders with the GTA series either - remember classics such as Unirally and Lemmings?
And they're a British based company too...
I wouldn't exactly call that a mockery of Nintendo...
Anyway, Rockstar haven't done jack except advertise and put their name on the game's box. The real genius behind it are DMA design.
Nope, they're not one hit wonders with the GTA series either - remember classics such as Unirally and Lemmings?
And they're a British based company too...
Really poo topic.
*Yawns*
Faaaaaaaaaanboy. You know why this should bother you? Because I'm a PS2 owner, not a Gamecube owner, or an X-Box owner. Comes to something when your "bretheren" tell you that you're a moron.
I don't think Nintendo are in tears yet, you're neglecting to realise that the GB Advance outsells the Gamecube here, that's where they're making their moolah at present. But then I don't expect an education or pretty broad horizoned observation to be made from someone with his nose shoved up Sony's rectum. ;)
Faaaaaaaaaanboy. You know why this should bother you? Because I'm a PS2 owner, not a Gamecube owner, or an X-Box owner. Comes to something when your "bretheren" tell you that you're a moron.
I don't think Nintendo are in tears yet, you're neglecting to realise that the GB Advance outsells the Gamecube here, that's where they're making their moolah at present. But then I don't expect an education or pretty broad horizoned observation to be made from someone with his nose shoved up Sony's rectum. ;)
Whitestripes wrote:
> Stop beating on Nintendo.
>
> You fail to mention that it made an even bigger 'mockery' of Microsoft.
I still remember when Bill Gates had a custard pie pushed in his face. I laughed for many an hour. One single unheard of man made a mockery of the richest man in the known universe.
> Stop beating on Nintendo.
>
> You fail to mention that it made an even bigger 'mockery' of Microsoft.
I still remember when Bill Gates had a custard pie pushed in his face. I laughed for many an hour. One single unheard of man made a mockery of the richest man in the known universe.
Stop beating on Nintendo.
You fail to mention that it made an even bigger 'mockery' of Microsoft.
You fail to mention that it made an even bigger 'mockery' of Microsoft.
Fox Star wrote:
> What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony
> by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality,
> they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony.
People know that - they don't think it's out of loyalty at all. Just as Nintendo paid off Capcom for the Resident Evil series, and Microsoft paid off Oddworld Inhabitants for the Oddworld series. Loyalty goes out of the window as soon as someone waves a cheque book. Except for Polyphony Digital, who reportedly rejected an MS bid to develop Gran Turismo for Xbox several months ago.
It is true, though, that other great games are being overshadowed. Ratchet & Clank is also a brilliant game, as is Eternal Darkness - but both will be in Vice City's shadow for some time yet, I think.
> What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony
> by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality,
> they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony.
People know that - they don't think it's out of loyalty at all. Just as Nintendo paid off Capcom for the Resident Evil series, and Microsoft paid off Oddworld Inhabitants for the Oddworld series. Loyalty goes out of the window as soon as someone waves a cheque book. Except for Polyphony Digital, who reportedly rejected an MS bid to develop Gran Turismo for Xbox several months ago.
It is true, though, that other great games are being overshadowed. Ratchet & Clank is also a brilliant game, as is Eternal Darkness - but both will be in Vice City's shadow for some time yet, I think.
Is it not the point of discussion boards that we discuss things like this, consider the arguments, and voice our own opinions rather than leave things stand?
AfroJoe wrote:
> They didn't really make a mockery of Nintendo.
>
> They just made a good game.
Well said, good game, my game of the year but i love mario too, lets just leave it at that :)
> They didn't really make a mockery of Nintendo.
>
> They just made a good game.
Well said, good game, my game of the year but i love mario too, lets just leave it at that :)
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