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No sooner are Nintendo boasting 'amazing' figures of 500,000 sales of Super Mario Sunshine in the United Kingdom on launch day, Rockstar were able to announce that they would not be able to meet the demand of 1.7 million copies of Grand Theft Auto Vice City for its launch!
What an embarassment for Nintendo eh? Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed by a team of developers that were little more than nothing five years ago!
Of course there is much to take into consideration. Grand Theft Auto is aimed at the age-group where people love to be in constant money troubles, where being a sheep is at the top of their priorities, and doing something different...well that's unheard of in their vocabularies, whereas Nintendo rely mainly on the sales of games to the parents buying the cute and the cuddily for their 'innocent' little darlings.
Saying that, both games are brilliant! Grand Theft Auto: Vice City beats the Gee Willickers off any other Playstation 2 game, the only one coming close being Grand Theft Auto 3. There's good gameplay, graphics, storyline, and a brilliant lack of linearity that makes this game so open to free play that it will last you longer than the effects of watching too many channel five late night movies!
Super Mario Sunshine works in a different way, offering variety, innocence and a fun 'cleaning is cool' message that the kids will still ignore. Platform games have always been fun, except for Mario's accident based on Japanese trash Doki Doki Panic, which for some tragic reason was brought back to life on the Game Boy Advance last year. They're usually fun, challenging, and very stimulating for the imgination, and leave you wanting more.
Nintendo could see this as an embarrassment, but considering their handheld, the Game Boy Advance, is still doing more than enough sales to keep Nintendo the best performing videogames developer at present, they don't have much to worry about. What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality, they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony. They still released Grand Theft Auto 1, 2, 3 and London on the PC, and have released Smuggler's Run multi-format. As far as Rockstar are concerned, they're still competing with Sony. What is also a shame is that because of poor sales, in comparison to Sony's Playstation 2 anyway, games such as Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem and the likes, are under-rated or not rated at all because only a minority play them.
At the end of the day, all Nintendo can do is smile, and take it good heartedly. Mario's still sold very well, even if Vice City has done a hell of a lot better. Rockstar can bask in their glory as the wage packets are five times thicker this month, and Sony can be happy that their Playstation 2 is still top for now. We're still to see anything really big, except their console, from Microsoft as of late though.
What an embarassment for Nintendo eh? Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed by a team of developers that were little more than nothing five years ago!
Of course there is much to take into consideration. Grand Theft Auto is aimed at the age-group where people love to be in constant money troubles, where being a sheep is at the top of their priorities, and doing something different...well that's unheard of in their vocabularies, whereas Nintendo rely mainly on the sales of games to the parents buying the cute and the cuddily for their 'innocent'
Saying that, both games are brilliant! Grand Theft Auto: Vice City beats the Gee Willickers off any other Playstation 2 game, the only one coming close being Grand Theft Auto 3. There's good gameplay, graphics, storyline, and a brilliant lack of linearity that makes this game so open to free play that it will last you longer than the effects of watching too many channel five late night movies!
Super Mario Sunshine works in a different way, offering variety, innocence and a fun 'cleaning is cool' message that the kids will still ignore. Platform games have always been fun, except for Mario's accident based on Japanese trash Doki Doki Panic, which for some tragic reason was brought back to life on the Game Boy Advance last year. They're usually fun, challenging, and very stimulating for the imgination, and leave you wanting more.
Nintendo could see this as an embarrassment, but considering their handheld, the Game Boy Advance, is still doing more than enough sales to keep Nintendo the best performing videogames developer at present, they don't have much to worry about. What is a shame is that people think of Rockstar as being loyal to Sony by releasing GTA: Vice City on just their console, but in reality, they're only doing it because they were paid more by Sony. They still released Grand Theft Auto 1, 2, 3 and London on the PC, and have released Smuggler's Run multi-format. As far as Rockstar are concerned, they're still competing with Sony. What is also a shame is that because of poor sales, in comparison to Sony's Playstation 2 anyway, games such as Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem and the likes, are under-rated or not rated at all because only a minority play them.
At the end of the day, all Nintendo can do is smile, and take it good heartedly. Mario's still sold very well, even if Vice City has done a hell of a lot better. Rockstar can bask in their glory as the wage packets are five times thicker this month, and Sony can be happy that their Playstation 2 is still top for now. We're still to see anything really big, except their console, from Microsoft as of late though.
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the only reason its selling more is because there are soooo many more ps2s out there than game cubes, theres around 5 million g-cubes and around 40million ps2s so in actuall fact if you want a fair comparison then gta vc needs to sell about 4 million compies? ie ten percent the same as mario FOOL!
Edgy wrote:
> The scary thing is, no matter what games are on it, people are likely
> to buy it because it is a Nokia. I wonder if there will be a mobile
> phone upgrade?
not an upgrade. It actually is a mobile phone as well.
> The scary thing is, no matter what games are on it, people are likely
> to buy it because it is a Nokia. I wonder if there will be a mobile
> phone upgrade?
not an upgrade. It actually is a mobile phone as well.
A nokia handheld. So we can look forward to Snake 3 and some colour version of that idiotic "logic" game.
Classic. Well sell by the dozen probably.
Classic. Well sell by the dozen probably.
The scary thing is, no matter what games are on it, people are likely to buy it because it is a Nokia. I wonder if there will be a mobile phone upgrade?
Strafex wrote:
> So despite there being atleast 5-6 PS2 owners for every Gamecube
> owner, Vice City only gets 3 times as many sales.
You have one set of facts - Vice City sold 3 times as many copies. Cleverly, you have put in another set of facts, that there are more PS2 owners to start with, but really you still can`t make valid comparisons as there are so many more things to take into account. For example, Gamecube owners bought Mario because its been around for years and its really well known. GTA is also well known, but less so than Mario. Also, on PS2 there is a larger range of games, so the sales are likely to be spread a little. On the day of Vice City's release, many people, like myself, may have been looking elsewhere to games like Ratchet and Clank, where as when Mario was released, there was nothing else in a Gamecube owner's mind.
There are so many things to take into account that you might as well just sit there and look at the original figures, you can`t read into it any more than that.
Fox Star wrote:
>Who's this you're talking about? I mentioned the fact that although in
>comparison to Rockstar's sales of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, sales of
>Super Mario Sunshine are still high.
Have you noticed that up until the moment Vice City enters the chart, GTA3 will still be in the all-format top 10. This has been aided by the PC release, but if you examine the PS2, PC and all-format charts carefully enough, you`ll see that most of the time, the PS2 sales alone have been enough to keep it in the top 10. This is likely to happen for Vice City as well, and I fully expect to see it selling well right through Christmas and into next year.
> So despite there being atleast 5-6 PS2 owners for every Gamecube
> owner, Vice City only gets 3 times as many sales.
You have one set of facts - Vice City sold 3 times as many copies. Cleverly, you have put in another set of facts, that there are more PS2 owners to start with, but really you still can`t make valid comparisons as there are so many more things to take into account. For example, Gamecube owners bought Mario because its been around for years and its really well known. GTA is also well known, but less so than Mario. Also, on PS2 there is a larger range of games, so the sales are likely to be spread a little. On the day of Vice City's release, many people, like myself, may have been looking elsewhere to games like Ratchet and Clank, where as when Mario was released, there was nothing else in a Gamecube owner's mind.
There are so many things to take into account that you might as well just sit there and look at the original figures, you can`t read into it any more than that.
Fox Star wrote:
>Who's this you're talking about? I mentioned the fact that although in
>comparison to Rockstar's sales of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, sales of
>Super Mario Sunshine are still high.
Have you noticed that up until the moment Vice City enters the chart, GTA3 will still be in the all-format top 10. This has been aided by the PC release, but if you examine the PS2, PC and all-format charts carefully enough, you`ll see that most of the time, the PS2 sales alone have been enough to keep it in the top 10. This is likely to happen for Vice City as well, and I fully expect to see it selling well right through Christmas and into next year.
Nokia are jjaking a handheld, wonder what games will appear? Snake:Colour?
Heh, it makes a mockery only of the fact that it painfully states how few Playstation owners still buy games for their console.
Regardless, in terms of Nintendo's software release strategy, it's certainly not desperation causing them to have such a good release list, more like developing a decent user base.
And Sony will never be the winners unless they delve into the handheld market, a market where Nintendo has ruled supreme since the early 90's.
Regardless, in terms of Nintendo's software release strategy, it's certainly not desperation causing them to have such a good release list, more like developing a decent user base.
And Sony will never be the winners unless they delve into the handheld market, a market where Nintendo has ruled supreme since the early 90's.
yet, still, if out of 750,000 GC owners, 500,000 buy mario sunshine, that is 2/3's whereas out of 8 million PS2 owners 1.7 million buy GTA:VC thats less than a quarter of all PS2 owners in Britain.
Therefore, if there were 8 million GC's there would be about 6.3 million sales of Mario sunshine
:D
Therefore, if there were 8 million GC's there would be about 6.3 million sales of Mario sunshine
:D
True, all Sony really has got going for it at the moment is the Grand Theft Auto series, BBFC rated 18, and The Getaway (which, if I'm correct, is a crime-sim based in London), but other than that, there's only the average sort of games recently released or due to be released on the Playstation 2, such as Fifa 2003, Pro Evolution Soccer, and This is Football 2003. Wait a minute? Is Ratchet and Clank really the only alternative for under 18s who want a new game that doesn't feature footballs or extreme sports?
It is a fair comment to say that Nintendo haven't really unleashed the big guns as of yet. They are still to release The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto, and the hardcore Nintendo fans will buy this game even if they are horrified by the new cartoon (but not cel-shaded) look. If Nintendo can pull off sales as well as Ocarina of Time, which was very hard to get hold of if you hadn't pre-ordered, for a very long time, then I'm sure Nintendo will boast a victory, even if it is only against their own sales targets. Nintendo are also releasing Metroid Prime, Wario World, Starfox Adventures and many more of their major titles in the months surrounding Christmas. Some say it could be an act of desperation, however I would say it's showing a willingness to give us what we want, and keeps things open for even more titles with big Nintendo franchises on the GameCube like we used to get with the Nintendo Entertainment System and the Super NES.
Sony have won the battle but not the war in aqquiring the exclusivity of the Grand Theft Auto series on their consoles, despite most Grand Theft Auto games being available on the PC anyway. Microsoft are starting to gain a bigger fanbase with their original 3D platformer, Blinx, coincidentally released near enough the same time as both Super Mario Sunshine and Ratchet & Clank, and Nintendo have enough income with sales of the Game Boy Advance, that, as far as I am aware, are beating sales of the Playstation 2 in Japan.
So yes, I stand by my argument that Rockstar have made a mockery of Nintendo's sales figures, but by no means are Nintendo out of it yet!
It is a fair comment to say that Nintendo haven't really unleashed the big guns as of yet. They are still to release The Legend of Zelda: Winds of Takuto, and the hardcore Nintendo fans will buy this game even if they are horrified by the new cartoon (but not cel-shaded) look. If Nintendo can pull off sales as well as Ocarina of Time, which was very hard to get hold of if you hadn't pre-ordered, for a very long time, then I'm sure Nintendo will boast a victory, even if it is only against their own sales targets. Nintendo are also releasing Metroid Prime, Wario World, Starfox Adventures and many more of their major titles in the months surrounding Christmas. Some say it could be an act of desperation, however I would say it's showing a willingness to give us what we want, and keeps things open for even more titles with big Nintendo franchises on the GameCube like we used to get with the Nintendo Entertainment System and the Super NES.
Sony have won the battle but not the war in aqquiring the exclusivity of the Grand Theft Auto series on their consoles, despite most Grand Theft Auto games being available on the PC anyway. Microsoft are starting to gain a bigger fanbase with their
So yes, I stand by my argument that Rockstar have made a mockery of Nintendo's sales figures, but by no means are Nintendo out of it yet!
Fox Star wrote:
> Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed
I would have thought that Zelda or Metroid would be an equally big realease. I was always looking forward them before Mario. Let's see the sales for the masterpiece games. Whereas PS2 has another crime sim on the way and thats about it.
> Nintendo's biggest GameCube game to be released is more than tripled in copies sold by a game developed
I would have thought that Zelda or Metroid would be an equally big realease. I was always looking forward them before Mario. Let's see the sales for the masterpiece games. Whereas PS2 has another crime sim on the way and thats about it.
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