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Yes, its fact! a large part of the computer development industry has said that if it had to compare the PS2 to any previous console it would definately be the Sega Saturn! Anyone who read Edge magazine recently would have read this. Wanna know why?
Its because:
a)The PS2 is expensive to develop for. Sqaure announced that to break even with new Final Fantasy games they would have to sell 1.6million units!!! With FF7&8 they only had to sell 1.2million units to make a HUGE profit! see the difference?
b)The PS2 has awkward, closed and difficult hardware. One of the main downfalls of the Saturn was that it was difficult to develop for due to its awkward and very closed hardware. The year Tomb Raider 2 was due to be released on the PS and saturn Eidos announced that the saturn wouldn't get its version due to complication with the Saturns hardware setup.
There quite a few more reasons for the comparison to the now deceased console, one of the more sinister ones is that its comparable due to the fact that a lot of industry insiders have prophecised a similar demise to the PS2 that the Saturn endured. Maybe you'll think twice before being sucked in by Sony hype. Me? I'm not gonna buy a PS2, I'm gonna wait and see how the X-Box and Gamecube come out fighting.
M.
Its because:
a)The PS2 is expensive to develop for. Sqaure announced that to break even with new Final Fantasy games they would have to sell 1.6million units!!! With FF7&8 they only had to sell 1.2million units to make a HUGE profit! see the difference?
b)The PS2 has awkward, closed and difficult hardware. One of the main downfalls of the Saturn was that it was difficult to develop for due to its awkward and very closed hardware. The year Tomb Raider 2 was due to be released on the PS and saturn Eidos announced that the saturn wouldn't get its version due to complication with the Saturns hardware setup.
There quite a few more reasons for the comparison to the now deceased console, one of the more sinister ones is that its comparable due to the fact that a lot of industry insiders have prophecised a similar demise to the PS2 that the Saturn endured. Maybe you'll think twice before being sucked in by Sony hype. Me? I'm not gonna buy a PS2, I'm gonna wait and see how the X-Box and Gamecube come out fighting.
M.
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I was helping my cousin clear out his loft a while back, and we came across his old Atari console. I'm talking about the OLD wood effect machine. He had a stash of games, space invaders etc. So we gave them a go. It was really amazing to see how far the games industry has come, i mean this was the TOP CONSOLE for a long time, and this is where everything that we discuss today has come from.
Some of the old titles like Frogger, Pac-man, Space Invaders etc. will always be classics, no matter how old they become.
Has anyone else played these type of games lately, and what do you think?
Some of the old titles like Frogger, Pac-man, Space Invaders etc. will always be classics, no matter how old they become.
Has anyone else played these type of games lately, and what do you think?
> Now back to the PS2. Ok, so 'M.'s posts were mainly just there to
> annoy, but I still think the first one was only there to inform.
> My only problem with the PS2 is that I've only heard of 2 games
> I'd want to play on it, Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy. I don't
> mind having to buy new consoles but as we move along they seem to
> offer shorter life spans and fewer really great games.
That's fair comment, and a valid reason for not wanting one. As we've all said, it depends on each player's taste. Of course, not everyone wanted a PS1, and not everyone wants a PS2. But it doesn't mean the machine is crap, which is what some people seem to imply.
> what this world needs is a new Amiga! That's what I
> think anyway.
No argument here. I still believe more should have been done with that amazing machine. There is talk of a revival, though - albeit a much updated model, in line with the improvements time has brought us.
> Not sure I should post this on the PS2 board without more PS2 such
> in it, but as I don't know too much about it aside from games
> planned and spec and those things I'll just have to stop talking
> crap and let people respond to all the b****x I've written above.
Not a problem! Nothing wrong with what you've posted, IMHO. I think you'll find any reasonable post will be appreciated - whether it's strictly PS2 realted or not.
> annoy, but I still think the first one was only there to inform.
> My only problem with the PS2 is that I've only heard of 2 games
> I'd want to play on it, Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy. I don't
> mind having to buy new consoles but as we move along they seem to
> offer shorter life spans and fewer really great games.
That's fair comment, and a valid reason for not wanting one. As we've all said, it depends on each player's taste. Of course, not everyone wanted a PS1, and not everyone wants a PS2. But it doesn't mean the machine is crap, which is what some people seem to imply.
> what this world needs is a new Amiga! That's what I
> think anyway.
No argument here. I still believe more should have been done with that amazing machine. There is talk of a revival, though - albeit a much updated model, in line with the improvements time has brought us.
> Not sure I should post this on the PS2 board without more PS2 such
> in it, but as I don't know too much about it aside from games
> planned and spec and those things I'll just have to stop talking
> crap and let people respond to all the b****x I've written above.
Not a problem! Nothing wrong with what you've posted, IMHO. I think you'll find any reasonable post will be appreciated - whether it's strictly PS2 realted or not.
The Sega Saturn was great! Games like Virtua cop, world wide soccer and Sega rally are classics. But Sega and Nintendo were always going to come in seconds to Sony. The Playstation had the best fighting game, the best adventure game and the best F1 game.
Now back to the PS2. Ok, so 'M.'s posts were mainly just there to annoy, but I still think the first one was only there to inform. My only problem with the PS2 is that I've only heard of 2 games I'd want to play on it, Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy. I don't mind having to buy new consoles but as we move along they seem to offer shorter life spans and fewer really great games. As Kieran said, it's human nature to strive for the best, maybe we should all just up grade our PC's and play games on them, consoles will die out and everyone will have access to the same games. Would be great if PC's were any good for games, what this world needs is a new Amiga! That's what I think anyway.
Not sure I should post this on the PS2 board without more PS2 such in it, but as I don't know too much about it aside from games planned and spec and those things I'll just have to stop talking crap and let people respond to all the b****x I've written above.
Now back to the PS2. Ok, so 'M.'s posts were mainly just there to annoy, but I still think the first one was only there to inform. My only problem with the PS2 is that I've only heard of 2 games I'd want to play on it, Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy. I don't mind having to buy new consoles but as we move along they seem to offer shorter life spans and fewer really great games. As Kieran said, it's human nature to strive for the best, maybe we should all just up grade our PC's and play games on them, consoles will die out and everyone will have access to the same games. Would be great if PC's were any good for games, what this world needs is a new Amiga! That's what I think anyway.
Not sure I should post this on the PS2 board without more PS2 such in it, but as I don't know too much about it aside from games planned and spec and those things I'll just have to stop talking crap and let people respond to all the b****x I've written above.
Double_0_Dave wrote:
> What the hell? Does everyone wanna chill out or what? Personally
> I agree with 'M.', but no-one esle posting here seems to care what
> anyone who isn't a PS2 fan thinks. Reading his first message I
> think 'M.' was just trying to inform you about how square feel
> about the PS2, and not annoy like one of you said. Go out and get
> a pre order form for the PS2, have fun with it, then come on here
> and tell us all how great it is, and in a years time come on here
> and tell us all that you wish you'd got an Amiga Cd32 coz the PS2
> only has 10 games on it and only 2 that are worth playing. Or you
> could just go buy the X-box and play the best of the new Gen
> consoles. Come to think of it, don't buy anything, wait and all
> the money you saved up for your magical PS2 just buy games for you
> PSX or N64 coz they'll all be cheap as hell when the new machines
> come out, and if no-one buys the new machines the companies will
> have to make new games for the old systems, then we'll all have
> the great games and still cash in our pockets and live in, as 'M.'
> put it, gaming utopia.
I'm sorry, but this IS the PS2 forum. It seems to me that your mate was a bit bored and just wanted to get people going. And also i can't believe that you thought his posts were informative and that he wasn't out to annoy. Some of his remarks were very biased and not helpful to anyone.
I like your idea though, about the new-gen consoles not being a success, but unfortunately this would never happen. It is in human nature to strive for the best, and this alone will make most people move on to newer pastures.
> What the hell? Does everyone wanna chill out or what? Personally
> I agree with 'M.', but no-one esle posting here seems to care what
> anyone who isn't a PS2 fan thinks. Reading his first message I
> think 'M.' was just trying to inform you about how square feel
> about the PS2, and not annoy like one of you said. Go out and get
> a pre order form for the PS2, have fun with it, then come on here
> and tell us all how great it is, and in a years time come on here
> and tell us all that you wish you'd got an Amiga Cd32 coz the PS2
> only has 10 games on it and only 2 that are worth playing. Or you
> could just go buy the X-box and play the best of the new Gen
> consoles. Come to think of it, don't buy anything, wait and all
> the money you saved up for your magical PS2 just buy games for you
> PSX or N64 coz they'll all be cheap as hell when the new machines
> come out, and if no-one buys the new machines the companies will
> have to make new games for the old systems, then we'll all have
> the great games and still cash in our pockets and live in, as 'M.'
> put it, gaming utopia.
I'm sorry, but this IS the PS2 forum. It seems to me that your mate was a bit bored and just wanted to get people going. And also i can't believe that you thought his posts were informative and that he wasn't out to annoy. Some of his remarks were very biased and not helpful to anyone.
I like your idea though, about the new-gen consoles not being a success, but unfortunately this would never happen. It is in human nature to strive for the best, and this alone will make most people move on to newer pastures.
Hmm. 'Double_O_Dave' and 'M' - something fishy there, methinks.
Anyway, Dave - if you look back in this thread, you'll see that - while 'M's original post could be taken as an informative attempt, he didn't hesitate to get insulting when someone - me - pointed out that it had already been discussed.
Most of us here are reasonable enough, and if 'M' had continued by discussing some of his own, original thoughts and opinions - rather than the the recycled anti-Sony/PS2 propaganda which he so quickly spewed out - we would have been happy to accommodate him.
However, most of us here are sick of people posting anti-PS2 cack simply because *they* do not like/want the machine. It really has become extremely tedious. I mean, if you don't like the machine, why the hell are you reading the PS2 forum anyway?!
Anyway, Dave - if you look back in this thread, you'll see that - while 'M's original post could be taken as an informative attempt, he didn't hesitate to get insulting when someone - me - pointed out that it had already been discussed.
Most of us here are reasonable enough, and if 'M' had continued by discussing some of his own, original thoughts and opinions - rather than the the recycled anti-Sony/PS2 propaganda which he so quickly spewed out - we would have been happy to accommodate him.
However, most of us here are sick of people posting anti-PS2 cack simply because *they* do not like/want the machine. It really has become extremely tedious. I mean, if you don't like the machine, why the hell are you reading the PS2 forum anyway?!
Hmmmm, if you ask me, "M" (good name) is being biased and immature. His first message wasn't exactly brilliant, and then he goes off insulting the PS2 and unbiased, fair, friendly people like Kieran (I just read about the new bundle of joy, congratulations and I hope all goes well) and Babylonian. You should see some of "M"s messages on the Nintendo forum, I think he's influenced by his Nintendo worshipping-Sony haters friends. Hmmm...
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