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Wowza! I have OpenOffice.org anyway, which is free, but I might get this just for the sake of getting Publisher and a few other apps in that package. It really is the ultimate steal, especially from Microsoft! Well, not literally - you don't steal it. And it's perfectly legitimate from Microsoft. However, you need to be able to prove that you're a student, with an NUS card or valid college email address or something.
Also, the thing about Office Ultimate is that it can be installed (legally) on two computers!
RRP: £599.99
But you can get it for just £38.95!
This is perfectly legit too. Honest. It's being advertised in my college.
http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
I know there is a rule on the Freeola forums which disallows the posting of illegal downloads. Therefore, this post does not break that rule. It is legitimate. If it isn't, please accept my appologies and delete this thread. It looks legit to me...
Also, the thing about Office Ultimate is that it can be installed (legally) on two computers!
RRP: £599.99
But you can get it for just £38.95!
This is perfectly legit too. Honest. It's being advertised in my college.
http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
I know there is a rule on the Freeola forums which disallows the posting of illegal downloads. Therefore, this post does not break that rule. It is legitimate. If it isn't, please accept my appologies and delete this thread. It looks legit to me...
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Twain wrote:
> As for getting my wireless going, I never managed to get it
> because without my wireless, I can't get online, but I know that
> Linuxant DriverLoader supports my card.
Ah yes, the age old problem :) I don't know about other distros though, but in Fedora you can easily grab the relevant RPMs off the CD/DVD. I think you can even set up a local repository for yum.
Good to see you were going with KDE over that horrible GNOME environment though.
> As for getting my wireless going, I never managed to get it
> because without my wireless, I can't get online, but I know that
> Linuxant DriverLoader supports my card.
Ah yes, the age old problem :) I don't know about other distros though, but in Fedora you can easily grab the relevant RPMs off the CD/DVD. I think you can even set up a local repository for yum.
Good to see you were going with KDE over that horrible GNOME environment though.
iggvopvantoodlewin wrote:
> Twain wrote:
> Hehe,
>
> Did you read the entire license and expanded form?
> Unless they have changed their license tactics you do not fully
> own your output.
>
> Perhaps you do not care though. You probably upload your
> documents to google too so that they can scan for keywords and
> keep your exometricpsyche profile.
>
> As for operating systems, you should use
> Spectrum OS it is
> the way forward (hahahhaa)
Can you tell if the above is completely unfounded... or in some part actual truth?
> Twain wrote:
> Hehe,
>
> Did you read the entire license and expanded form?
> Unless they have changed their license tactics you do not fully
> own your output.
>
> Perhaps you do not care though. You probably upload your
> documents to google too so that they can scan for keywords and
> keep your exometricpsyche profile.
>
> As for operating systems, you should use
> Spectrum OS it is
> the way forward (hahahhaa)
Can you tell if the above is completely unfounded... or in some part actual truth?
Twain wrote:
> http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
>
did you look at the versions of this site for other languages, we are the only country worthy of the shopping trolley image. I take this as an indication that only British students are cultured in the virtues of that great and powerful form of transportation.
> http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
>
did you look at the versions of this site for other languages, we are the only country worthy of the shopping trolley image. I take this as an indication that only British students are cultured in the virtues of that great and powerful form of transportation.
Twain wrote:
> Wowza! I have OpenOffice.org anyway, which is free, but I might
> get this just for the sake of getting Publisher and a few other
> apps in that package. It really is the ultimate steal,
> especially from Microsoft! Well, not literally - you don't steal
> it. And it's perfectly legitimate from Microsoft. However, you
> need to be able to prove that you're a student, with an NUS card
> or valid college email address or something.
>
> Also, the thing about Office Ultimate is that it can be
> installed (legally) on two computers!
>
> RRP: £599.99
> But you can get it for just £38.95!
>
> This is perfectly legit too. Honest. It's being advertised in my
> college.
>
> http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
>
> I know there is a rule on the Freeola forums which disallows the
> posting of illegal downloads. Therefore, this post does not break
> that rule. It is legitimate. If it isn't, please accept my
> appologies and delete this thread. It looks legit to me...
Hehe,
Did you read the entire license and expanded form?
Unless they have changed their license tactics you do not fully own your output.
Perhaps you do not care though. You probably upload your documents to google too so that they can scan for keywords and keep your exometricpsyche profile.
As for operating systems, you should use Spectrum OS it is the way forward (hahahhaa)
> Wowza! I have OpenOffice.org anyway, which is free, but I might
> get this just for the sake of getting Publisher and a few other
> apps in that package. It really is the ultimate steal,
> especially from Microsoft! Well, not literally - you don't steal
> it. And it's perfectly legitimate from Microsoft. However, you
> need to be able to prove that you're a student, with an NUS card
> or valid college email address or something.
>
> Also, the thing about Office Ultimate is that it can be
> installed (legally) on two computers!
>
> RRP: £599.99
> But you can get it for just £38.95!
>
> This is perfectly legit too. Honest. It's being advertised in my
> college.
>
> http://www.theultimatesteal.co.uk
>
> I know there is a rule on the Freeola forums which disallows the
> posting of illegal downloads. Therefore, this post does not break
> that rule. It is legitimate. If it isn't, please accept my
> appologies and delete this thread. It looks legit to me...
Hehe,
Did you read the entire license and expanded form?
Unless they have changed their license tactics you do not fully own your output.
Perhaps you do not care though. You probably upload your documents to google too so that they can scan for keywords and keep your exometricpsyche profile.
As for operating systems, you should use Spectrum OS it is the way forward (hahahhaa)
As mentioned NDIS Wrapper supports most wireless chips. The problem is that some chip manufacturers refuse to release code for Linux or can't be bothered (Broadcom). This usually forces the Linux community to reverse engineer the Windows driver or add support to NDIS wrapper to use the Windows driver.
If you have a Debian based system (including Ubuntu), installing software is easy. Ubuntu has a GUI package manager called Synaptic, you just search, tick and the click install. Any other software that may be needed for you chosen package to run is also downloaded and installed. You can also do this on command line
If you have a Debian based system (including Ubuntu), installing software is easy. Ubuntu has a GUI package manager called Synaptic, you just search, tick and the click install. Any other software that may be needed for you chosen package to run is also downloaded and installed. You can also do this on command line
apt-get install whatever or on a Redhat based system yum install whatever. There's nothing in Windows that lets you search and install for free or paid for software and installs it for you.
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> It sounds like the LiveCD you are talking about already had a
> root password set. I'm sure there's something in its
> documentation about obtaining root access, though I'm curious as
> to what you'd want to do with a liveCD that would require root.
It was nothing serious. I was just exploring the Control Centre. I only wanted to look. I can't remember if, when I encountered this problem, if I was using Knoppix or Kubuntu. I think it was Knoppix. But anyway, when I checked the documentation to see what the password was, it said there wasn't one.
As for getting my wireless going, I never managed to get it because without my wireless, I can't get online, but I know that Linuxant DriverLoader supports my card.
> It sounds like the LiveCD you are talking about already had a
> root password set. I'm sure there's something in its
> documentation about obtaining root access, though I'm curious as
> to what you'd want to do with a liveCD that would require root.
It was nothing serious. I was just exploring the Control Centre. I only wanted to look. I can't remember if, when I encountered this problem, if I was using Knoppix or Kubuntu. I think it was Knoppix. But anyway, when I checked the documentation to see what the password was, it said there wasn't one.
As for getting my wireless going, I never managed to get it because without my wireless, I can't get online, but I know that Linuxant DriverLoader supports my card.
Twain wrote:
> My experience
> with all the Linux distros that I've used has differed each time,
> but there were a few common problems across the lot, like
> wireless not working, sound working only occasionally for no
> apparent reason without any user intervention, mouse and
> keyboard not working occasionally for no apparent reason, ad
> pretty mcuh every time I've used it, a problem with GRUB (GNU
> Really Useless Bootloader).
Hm, yes, wireless is a problem with Linux. It's gradually getting better, I think, but I don't have a wireless card so I don't know. Did you try ndiswrapper? I think tries to implement some Windows networking API on Linux so you can use the Windows drivers for your card.
> What I meant by "support" was support from developers,
> like a said. ie. there is very little software made for it that
> isn't open source. I don't mind that, but then who do you turn
> to when it goes wrong?
It's open source, you boot up a text editor and a compiler and figure it out yourself :)
No not really (unless you're hardcore), you go Googling, or you ask on the software's official forums, you ask on distro specific forums, you ask on general Linux forums, or if you can't find anything, you file a bug report.
I know that sounds terribly unreliable but it generally proves not to be. There is *a lot* of information in the Fedora and Ubuntu forums alone. And I'm not sure about you, but my limited experience with commercial customer support hasn't always inspired confidence.
> I don't find command lines scary, I just prefer the graphical
> way. You aren't forced into using the GUI for Windows. Well,
> okay, you are when it first boots, but you can load the command
> prompt from the Accessories menu in Windows and then Alt + Enter
> it to make it fullscreen. I know it's not the best command line
> interpreter ever,
It's an awful place to be! I mean, it's seriously limited. I don't think you can you edit text files or unzip/tar/rar/whatever things from a Windows command terminal? Whereas in Linux it's fairly trivial and aids so much in the efficiency of doing boring tasks. It's not at all designed with the thought of the user actually using it, it's assumed they'll use the GUI.
> A simple task of installing a program in Windows is basically
> starting the installer, and unless you want anything changed,
> you just click Next all the way through. If you want something
> changed, it's point and click.
>
> With Linux, you download a package instead, which you then have
> to unpack and issue commands via terminal to get it to unpack
> and install itself.
That's not entirely true about installing packages. If you want a package installed then there's a good chance it'll be in your distro's repositories, in which case you'll be able to use a GUI tool to just download it and the distro's package manager will sort out everything itself (with occasional exceptions that are fixed within a day or two). Or, you can download a binary (RPM, .deb, whatever is relevent for your distro) from a website and again, double clicking that should (if your file manager's set up right), install it using the package manager. This way is actually better to the Windows way, because you can run the update command and your entire system (or at least the bits handled by the package manager) is then up to date :)
If you download a source package though, then yes you do need to venture into the command line and compile it yourself. Things can get complicated from here if you don't have the right dependencies, but it's rarely necessary. And most of the dependencies can probably be found in your repos.
It sounds like the LiveCD you are talking about already had a root password set. I'm sure there's something in its documentation about obtaining root access, though I'm curious as to what you'd want to do with a liveCD that would require root.
> My experience
> with all the Linux distros that I've used has differed each time,
> but there were a few common problems across the lot, like
> wireless not working, sound working only occasionally for no
> apparent reason without any user intervention, mouse and
> keyboard not working occasionally for no apparent reason, ad
> pretty mcuh every time I've used it, a problem with GRUB (GNU
> Really Useless Bootloader).
Hm, yes, wireless is a problem with Linux. It's gradually getting better, I think, but I don't have a wireless card so I don't know. Did you try ndiswrapper? I think tries to implement some Windows networking API on Linux so you can use the Windows drivers for your card.
> What I meant by "support" was support from developers,
> like a said. ie. there is very little software made for it that
> isn't open source. I don't mind that, but then who do you turn
> to when it goes wrong?
It's open source, you boot up a text editor and a compiler and figure it out yourself :)
No not really (unless you're hardcore), you go Googling, or you ask on the software's official forums, you ask on distro specific forums, you ask on general Linux forums, or if you can't find anything, you file a bug report.
I know that sounds terribly unreliable but it generally proves not to be. There is *a lot* of information in the Fedora and Ubuntu forums alone. And I'm not sure about you, but my limited experience with commercial customer support hasn't always inspired confidence.
> I don't find command lines scary, I just prefer the graphical
> way. You aren't forced into using the GUI for Windows. Well,
> okay, you are when it first boots, but you can load the command
> prompt from the Accessories menu in Windows and then Alt + Enter
> it to make it fullscreen. I know it's not the best command line
> interpreter ever,
It's an awful place to be! I mean, it's seriously limited. I don't think you can you edit text files or unzip/tar/rar/whatever things from a Windows command terminal? Whereas in Linux it's fairly trivial and aids so much in the efficiency of doing boring tasks. It's not at all designed with the thought of the user actually using it, it's assumed they'll use the GUI.
> A simple task of installing a program in Windows is basically
> starting the installer, and unless you want anything changed,
> you just click Next all the way through. If you want something
> changed, it's point and click.
>
> With Linux, you download a package instead, which you then have
> to unpack and issue commands via terminal to get it to unpack
> and install itself.
That's not entirely true about installing packages. If you want a package installed then there's a good chance it'll be in your distro's repositories, in which case you'll be able to use a GUI tool to just download it and the distro's package manager will sort out everything itself (with occasional exceptions that are fixed within a day or two). Or, you can download a binary (RPM, .deb, whatever is relevent for your distro) from a website and again, double clicking that should (if your file manager's set up right), install it using the package manager. This way is actually better to the Windows way, because you can run the update command and your entire system (or at least the bits handled by the package manager) is then up to date :)
If you download a source package though, then yes you do need to venture into the command line and compile it yourself. Things can get complicated from here if you don't have the right dependencies, but it's rarely necessary. And most of the dependencies can probably be found in your repos.
It sounds like the LiveCD you are talking about already had a root password set. I'm sure there's something in its documentation about obtaining root access, though I'm curious as to what you'd want to do with a liveCD that would require root.
Eccles wrote:
> Oooh the Linux debate!
> Anyone tried the latest Version of Ubuntu. Installed on my
> laptop and all the hardware worked, including the wireless. You
> try that with any version of Windows and I bet you'll have at
> least one driver to install.
Yeah, two people on another forum that I use have problems with it already and have both had it less than a month! My experience with all the Linux distros that I've used has differed each time, but there were a few common problems across the lot, like wireless not working, sound working only occasionally for no apparent reason without any user intervention, mouse and keyboard not working occasionally for no apparent reason, ad pretty mcuh every time I've used it, a problem with GRUB (GNU Really Useless Bootloader).
> As for support, you get more support from the Open Source
> community than you do for Microsoft. If a bug is found someone
> will fix it and you don't have to wait for MS to roll a fix into
> a Service Pack or a Patch Tuesday.
What I meant by "support" was support from developers, like a said. ie. there is very little software made for it that isn't open source. I don't mind that, but then who do you turn to when it goes wrong?
> Aren't you using Open Office anyway Twain? That's Open Source
> and gets plenty of support.
Yeah, I am, and I know OOo is very similar to MS OFfice, but very often when saving OOo files as MS Office files, things are lost during the save or conversion. These things are usually images, presentation animations and sounds, the three most important things in my Interactive Media course. Also, I'm not keen on OpenOffice Draw. I prefer Publisher. And it doesn't come with anything like Outlook either, which is more than just an email program.
> The fact is the Linux is 'different' for your usual Windows
> desktop user. Probably in real terms it's no harder to use. With
> a lot of distros you probably never have to touch the command
> line if you don't want to. What's wrong with a little learning
> anyway, the command line isn't scary!
I don't find command lines scary, I just prefer the graphical way. You aren't forced into using the GUI for Windows. Well, okay, you are when it first boots, but you can load the command prompt from the Accessories menu in Windows and then Alt + Enter it to make it fullscreen. I know it's not the best command line interpreter ever, because it'll often throw you back out into Windows for the sake of asking a question in a dialog box rather than in the prompt, but apart from people who use UNIX (ie. UNIX, not an OS based on UNIX like Mac OS X)?
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> I've been running Fedora for about a year now and I can't
> realistically see any reason I'd have to go back to Windows.
>
> And I completely disagree with the words/phrases 'awkward' and
> 'command line requirements'. The average user very rarely
> 'requires' the command line, anyway.
> I now find Windows awkward because it actually forces you into a
> GUI environment for tasks which would be far easier and faster
> performed via a command line.
Most other operating system apart from the one you use every day do tend to be awkward and that's probably why I find Linux awkward. I'm fine with actually using it for everyday stuff, but whenever I get a problem, it's back to the command line, where a lot of commands aren't all that obvious.
A simple task of installing a program in Windows is basically starting the installer, and unless you want anything changed, you just click Next all the way through. If you want something changed, it's point and click.
With Linux, you download a package instead, which you then have to unpack and issue commands via terminal to get it to unpack and install itself.
I know I don't know much about what I'm saying, because that's about as far as I got with it when I realised how awkward it was. Installing a distro of Linux itself is really easy, but once you're in it, not so much.
With every Live CD I've used of Linux distros, if I ever wanted to change something simple within the control centre, I'd need root access, so it'd ask for a password. But becauset he Live CDs don't have a password associated with root by default, you'd leave it blank, yes? No - it'd complain that the password is invalid. So you go to set the root password, and it'd ask for the current one first, which is obviously for security so that not just anyone can change the password. SO, because there's no password, you leave it blank and enter a new password, yes? No - it complains that you haven't provided the correct password, which is blank anyway! So you end up not being allowed to do anything useful with it!
> Oooh the Linux debate!
> Anyone tried the latest Version of Ubuntu. Installed on my
> laptop and all the hardware worked, including the wireless. You
> try that with any version of Windows and I bet you'll have at
> least one driver to install.
Yeah, two people on another forum that I use have problems with it already and have both had it less than a month! My experience with all the Linux distros that I've used has differed each time, but there were a few common problems across the lot, like wireless not working, sound working only occasionally for no apparent reason without any user intervention, mouse and keyboard not working occasionally for no apparent reason, ad pretty mcuh every time I've used it, a problem with GRUB (GNU Really Useless Bootloader).
> As for support, you get more support from the Open Source
> community than you do for Microsoft. If a bug is found someone
> will fix it and you don't have to wait for MS to roll a fix into
> a Service Pack or a Patch Tuesday.
What I meant by "support" was support from developers, like a said. ie. there is very little software made for it that isn't open source. I don't mind that, but then who do you turn to when it goes wrong?
> Aren't you using Open Office anyway Twain? That's Open Source
> and gets plenty of support.
Yeah, I am, and I know OOo is very similar to MS OFfice, but very often when saving OOo files as MS Office files, things are lost during the save or conversion. These things are usually images, presentation animations and sounds, the three most important things in my Interactive Media course. Also, I'm not keen on OpenOffice Draw. I prefer Publisher. And it doesn't come with anything like Outlook either, which is more than just an email program.
> The fact is the Linux is 'different' for your usual Windows
> desktop user. Probably in real terms it's no harder to use. With
> a lot of distros you probably never have to touch the command
> line if you don't want to. What's wrong with a little learning
> anyway, the command line isn't scary!
I don't find command lines scary, I just prefer the graphical way. You aren't forced into using the GUI for Windows. Well, okay, you are when it first boots, but you can load the command prompt from the Accessories menu in Windows and then Alt + Enter it to make it fullscreen. I know it's not the best command line interpreter ever, because it'll often throw you back out into Windows for the sake of asking a question in a dialog box rather than in the prompt, but apart from people who use UNIX (ie. UNIX, not an OS based on UNIX like Mac OS X)?
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> I've been running Fedora for about a year now and I can't
> realistically see any reason I'd have to go back to Windows.
>
> And I completely disagree with the words/phrases 'awkward' and
> 'command line requirements'. The average user very rarely
> 'requires' the command line, anyway.
> I now find Windows awkward because it actually forces you into a
> GUI environment for tasks which would be far easier and faster
> performed via a command line.
Most other operating system apart from the one you use every day do tend to be awkward and that's probably why I find Linux awkward. I'm fine with actually using it for everyday stuff, but whenever I get a problem, it's back to the command line, where a lot of commands aren't all that obvious.
A simple task of installing a program in Windows is basically starting the installer, and unless you want anything changed, you just click Next all the way through. If you want something changed, it's point and click.
With Linux, you download a package instead, which you then have to unpack and issue commands via terminal to get it to unpack and install itself.
I know I don't know much about what I'm saying, because that's about as far as I got with it when I realised how awkward it was. Installing a distro of Linux itself is really easy, but once you're in it, not so much.
With every Live CD I've used of Linux distros, if I ever wanted to change something simple within the control centre, I'd need root access, so it'd ask for a password. But becauset he Live CDs don't have a password associated with root by default, you'd leave it blank, yes? No - it'd complain that the password is invalid. So you go to set the root password, and it'd ask for the current one first, which is obviously for security so that not just anyone can change the password. SO, because there's no password, you leave it blank and enter a new password, yes? No - it complains that you haven't provided the correct password, which is blank anyway! So you end up not being allowed to do anything useful with it!
Digi ~ Power wrote:
> Eccles ... command lines and linux? so my grounding in PCs goes
> back to spectrums and DOS are these the same comand prompts you
> refer to? My son says, "Linux does not get viruses "
> is that true?
Basically, yes. Linux has a tiny desktop market share so it's not going to be targeted by many viruses, but Linux does make it more difficult for software to do things behind the user's back than Windows does. Plus, unless it's got root access, all it's going to have available to it is a very small set of things.
Ach, sorry this was misleading. Yes it's possible to get viruses for Linux but they are incredibly rare, was what I meant.
> Eccles ... command lines and linux? so my grounding in PCs goes
> back to spectrums and DOS are these the same comand prompts you
> refer to? My son says, "Linux does not get viruses "
> is that true?
Basically, yes. Linux has a tiny desktop market share so it's not going to be targeted by many viruses, but Linux does make it more difficult for software to do things behind the user's back than Windows does. Plus, unless it's got root access, all it's going to have available to it is a very small set of things.
Ach, sorry this was misleading. Yes it's possible to get viruses for Linux but they are incredibly rare, was what I meant.
I've been running Fedora for about a year now and I can't realistically see any reason I'd have to go back to Windows.
And I completely disagree with the words/phrases 'awkward' and 'command line requirements'. The average user very rarely 'requires' the command line, anyway.
I now find Windows awkward because it actually forces you into a GUI environment for tasks which would be far easier and faster performed via a command line.
And I completely disagree with the words/phrases 'awkward' and 'command line requirements'. The average user very rarely 'requires' the command line, anyway.
I now find Windows awkward because it actually forces you into a GUI environment for tasks which would be far easier and faster performed via a command line.
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