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Thu 21/02/13 at 16:32
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Below are the results, upcoming races, and drivers and constructors standings:

Results

Australia - 1st Raikkonen, 2nd Alonso, 3rd Vettel
Malaysia - 1st Vettel, 2nd Webber, 3rd Hamilton
China - 1st Alonso, 2nd Raikkonen, 3rd Hamilton
Bahrain - 1st Vettel, 2nd Raikkonen, 3rd Grosjean
Spain - 1st Alonso, 2nd Raikkonen, 3rd Massa
Monaco - 1st Rosberg, 2nd Vettel, 3rd Webber
Canada - 1st Vettel, 2nd Alonso, 3rd Hamilton
Great Britain - 1st Rosberg, 2nd Webber, 3rd Alonso
Germany - 1st Vettel, 2nd Raikkonen, 3rd Grosjean

Upcoming Races
Hungary 28th July
Belgium 25th August
Italy 08th September
Singapore 22nd September
Korea 06th October
Japan 13th October
India 27th October
Abu Dhabi 03rd November
United States17th November
Brazil 24th November

Drivers Standings

1 Sebastian Vettel 157
2 Fernando Alonso 123
3 Kimi Raikkonen 116
4 Lewis Hamilton 99
5 Mark Webber 93
6 Nico Rosberg 84
7 Felipe Massa 57
8 Romain Grosjean 41
9 Paul di Resta 36
10 Jenson Button 33
11 Adrian Sutil 23
12 Sergio Perez 16
13 Jean-Eric Vergne 13
14 Daniel Ricciardo11
15 Nico Hulkenberg 7

Rest yet to score

Constructors Standings

1 Red Bull 250
2 Mercedes 183
3 Ferrari 180
4 Lotus 157
5 Force India 59
6 McLaren 49
7 Toro Rosso 24
8 Sauber 7

Rest yet to score
Mon 29/07/13 at 09:19
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pb wrote:
Everyone was happy? The Youtube comments seem to suggest otherwise.

Most of those d*****s YouTube comments seem to relate to incidents Marquez was involved with in previous years, one of which he totally deserved the penalty he received. Not really sure what resemblance they had on his 2013 Laguna Seca pass?

Just don't expect to see sympathy for your point of view on an F1 thread!

Really?, been reading lots of comments from F1 fans who think Grosjean's penalty was very unfair and was most likely given out because of his reputation (presume he must be F1's bad boy then?).

My point is that both mentioned moves were of a very similar nature, one got penalised the other did not. It doesn't matter if someone is a massive F1/MotoGP fan or a fan of both or of neither, either these moves are an acceptable part of racing or they are not. There seems to me to be massive inconsistencies in the manner in which penalties are handed out in certain series, MotoGP included (the Marco Simoncelli witch hunt of 2011 for example).

Still, it's given us something to chat about.
Mon 29/07/13 at 08:33
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pete_21 wrote:
pb wrote:
[i]...And, I believe the MotoGP race had a different setup, with Marquez technically not gaining a place. If that was the case with the F1 race then Grosjean wouldn't have been sent for a drive through.


Marquez totally gained a place, he was clearly well behind Rossi prior to them arriving at the famous corkscrew corner. Grosjean (found the guys name!) was also clearly behind (prior to arriving at that corner), went for the outside, got pushed wide and ran onto the dirt to complete the move. That was pretty much what happened between Marquez and Rossi at Laguna Seca. One move was generally classed as a great, exciting piece of racing the other cheating worthy of a penalty. Another angle is that had Grosjean not have taken that action he may well have locked wheels with the other guy and caused a huge accident. On the rare occasions that I watch any F1 these days I am only reminded why I don't tend to bother, if a move like that (which was clearly a not a deliberate attempt to gain an advantage by cutting the corner) is going to be penalised then they may as well ban racing altogether.[/i]

Everyone was happy? The Youtube comments seem to suggest otherwise.

Still, it's your choice what to watch. Just don't expect to see sympathy for your point of view on an F1 thread!
Mon 29/07/13 at 08:18
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pb wrote:
...And, I believe the MotoGP race had a different setup, with Marquez technically not gaining a place. If that was the case with the F1 race then Grosjean wouldn't have been sent for a drive through.

Marquez totally gained a place, he was clearly well behind Rossi prior to them arriving at the famous corkscrew corner. Grosjean (found the guys name!) was also clearly behind (prior to arriving at that corner), went for the outside, got pushed wide and ran onto the dirt to complete the move. That was pretty much what happened between Marquez and Rossi at Laguna Seca. One move was generally classed as a great, exciting piece of racing the other cheating worthy of a penalty. Another angle is that had Grosjean not have taken that action he may well have locked wheels with the other guy and caused a huge accident. On the rare occasions that I watch any F1 these days I am only reminded why I don't tend to bother, if a move like that (which was clearly a not a deliberate attempt to gain an advantage by cutting the corner) is going to be penalised then they may as well ban racing altogether.

EDIT: Looks like Grosjean agrees with me.
Sun 28/07/13 at 23:23
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pete_21 wrote:
pb wrote:
[i]Deficiency in Moto GP rules? What's to stop them just cutting across the whole track or knocking everyone off? F1 has strict rules because it has to allow for fair racing in a highly technical sport, being inside of the track when overtaking is one of them.


In MotoGP a rider is not permitted to cut part of the track to gain an unfair advantage. However in the mentioned Marquez pass Rossi took a very defensive line and ran him right to the outside of the track only for the young Spaniard to do him over good and proper at the following corner (Rossi himself appreciated it as he had done a very similar thing to Casey Stoner there back in 2008). I have a word for it, it's called 'racing'. Today I saw what appeared to be a very similar incident and the French guy (who's name escapes me) got pushed wide, ended up putting a couple of wheels on the dirt and got penalised for it, just seemed a bit harsh to me that's all.[/i]

He had all 4 wheels outside of the track (defined as the area inside the white lines). If we go back to rules that the stewards just put a finger in the air and ask if the audience enjoyed it and then shrug and forget the incident, we'll just end up with unfair racing.

And, I believe the MotoGP race had a different setup, with Marquez technically not gaining a place. If that was the case with the F1 race then Grosjean wouldn't have been sent for a drive through.
Sun 28/07/13 at 22:52
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pb wrote:
Deficiency in Moto GP rules? What's to stop them just cutting across the whole track or knocking everyone off? F1 has strict rules because it has to allow for fair racing in a highly technical sport, being inside of the track when overtaking is one of them.

In MotoGP a rider is not permitted to cut part of the track to gain an unfair advantage. However in the mentioned Marquez pass Rossi took a very defensive line and ran him right to the outside of the track only for the young Spaniard to do him over good and proper at the following corner (Rossi himself appreciated it as he had done a very similar thing to Casey Stoner there back in 2008). I have a word for it, it's called 'racing'. Today I saw what appeared to be a very similar incident and the French guy (who's name escapes me) got pushed wide, ended up putting a couple of wheels on the dirt and got penalised for it, just seemed a bit harsh to me that's all.
Sun 28/07/13 at 22:02
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pete_21 wrote:
Watched a bit of the highlights of today's F1 race, why did the French guy get a drive through for that move?

BTW here is the brilliant Marc Marquez passing Valentino Rossi in last weekends MotoGP race, he looks way more off track than the guy today was and everyone (myself included) seemed to think it was a great pass.

I understand that having not followed F1 for 5 years or so I am well out of touch with the rules so appreciate this may be a really stupid question.


Deficiency in Moto GP rules? What's to stop them just cutting across the whole track or knocking everyone off? F1 has strict rules because it has to allow for fair racing in a highly technical sport, being inside of the track when overtaking is one of them.
Sun 28/07/13 at 21:38
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Watched a bit of the highlights of today's F1 race, why did the French guy get a drive through for that move?

BTW here is the brilliant Marc Marquez passing Valentino Rossi in last weekends MotoGP race, he looks way more off track than the guy today was and everyone (myself included) seemed to think it was a great pass.

I understand that having not followed F1 for 5 years or so I am well out of touch with the rules so appreciate this may be a really stupid question.
Sat 27/07/13 at 10:15
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Smedders wrote:
Vettel and Webber fastest in P1, P2 currently underway so we'll see if they continue to dominate.

....and they did.

Looking forward to qualifying later on today.
Fri 26/07/13 at 13:57
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Vettel and Webber fastest in P1, P2 currently underway so we'll see if they continue to dominate.
Tue 23/07/13 at 17:43
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It's been confirmed the Austrian GP will be back for next season after an 11 year absence, to be held at the A1 Ring, now renamed as the Red Bull Ring.

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