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We were invaded by Christians a few months back. [Note: I say a few months back, but I actually started writing this the day after they left]. It did get me thinking though:
What is a religion? A religion is something that you follow and believe in. Religions will never explain everything, but it offers an opinion and you choose to accept it if you wish. Christians choose to believe the Universe was made in 6 days, etc... Now, our RS teacher, Mr Clarke, posed us all the question "Do you have a religion", to which most of us answered "No". I also answered "no", because I believe in science, which I don't class as a religion. However, Mr Clarke and I got chatting at one point. He asked me if I had a religion and I said no, and when he asked why I replied "Because every explanation religion makes towards the Universe, etc. can also be explained through science, and to me the earth forming over billions of years makes much more sense than it being created over 6 days". The thing is, he noticed a flaw in my argument. There are some things that science can't explain like it can't explain fully how the universe was created and it can't explain fully how life evolved from scratch and how it came to be like it is today. Religion howeverm can. So, I quite stupidly replied "Well, I believe science will explain it eventually."
Then it hit me... I BELIEVE in science. I don't understand it. Sure, there are some things I understand, but most of it is just being told "this is how it is" and accepting it because it made sense in some way. The thing is, all I know is what I've been told. The only thing that makes it different to religion in a way is that it can be "proved" and measured. The fact that millions of other scientists concuur is no matter, because millions of priests concuur. It's a very interesting concept which has, well, changed my way of thinking I suppose.
I no longer just accept things, but I BELIEVE in science as my religion, I have found science. It's a young and upcoming religion, almost fledgling, because it is far behind other religions in terms of completetion. I will even worhip it by furthering my knowledge of science and endeavouring to contribute to its teachings, so that many before me may learn science at school and in life, and hopefully think "Oh, Robin Haswell discovered that, I want to be like him and discover stuff", and so writing more chapters in the big bumber bible of science.
What is a religion? A religion is something that you follow and believe in. Religions will never explain everything, but it offers an opinion and you choose to accept it if you wish. Christians choose to believe the Universe was made in 6 days, etc... Now, our RS teacher, Mr Clarke, posed us all the question "Do you have a religion", to which most of us answered "No". I also answered "no", because I believe in science, which I don't class as a religion. However, Mr Clarke and I got chatting at one point. He asked me if I had a religion and I said no, and when he asked why I replied "Because every explanation religion makes towards the Universe, etc. can also be explained through science, and to me the earth forming over billions of years makes much more sense than it being created over 6 days". The thing is, he noticed a flaw in my argument. There are some things that science can't explain like it can't explain fully how the universe was created and it can't explain fully how life evolved from scratch and how it came to be like it is today. Religion howeverm can. So, I quite stupidly replied "Well, I believe science will explain it eventually."
Then it hit me... I BELIEVE in science. I don't understand it. Sure, there are some things I understand, but most of it is just being told "this is how it is" and accepting it because it made sense in some way. The thing is, all I know is what I've been told. The only thing that makes it different to religion in a way is that it can be "proved" and measured. The fact that millions of other scientists concuur is no matter, because millions of priests concuur. It's a very interesting concept which has, well, changed my way of thinking I suppose.
I no longer just accept things, but I BELIEVE in science as my religion, I have found science. It's a young and upcoming religion, almost fledgling, because it is far behind other religions in terms of completetion. I will even worhip it by furthering my knowledge of science and endeavouring to contribute to its teachings, so that many before me may learn science at school and in life, and hopefully think "Oh, Robin Haswell discovered that, I want to be like him and discover stuff", and so writing more chapters in the big bumber bible of science.
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Goatboy wrote:
> My point, Mojojo, was to highlight the irony in a science-fiction writer
> creating a religion.
A novelist creating a religion.
Just read that back to
> yourself.
A man that creates stories for a living creates a religion.
You
> seeing my point yet?
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Yes, I know, I know
I've done religion in Sociology, and I'm somewhat of an expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening to my teacher, heh
As for faith and science, there are different theories in science, if you believe in them, you have FAITH in them. You believe them without them being proved
Do you see?
> My point, Mojojo, was to highlight the irony in a science-fiction writer
> creating a religion.
A novelist creating a religion.
Just read that back to
> yourself.
A man that creates stories for a living creates a religion.
You
> seeing my point yet?
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Yes, I know, I know
I've done religion in Sociology, and I'm somewhat of an expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening to my teacher, heh
As for faith and science, there are different theories in science, if you believe in them, you have FAITH in them. You believe them without them being proved
Do you see?
My point, Mojojo, was to highlight the irony in a science-fiction writer creating a religion.
A novelist creating a religion.
Just read that back to yourself.
A man that creates stories for a living creates a religion.
You seeing my point yet?
A novelist creating a religion.
Just read that back to yourself.
A man that creates stories for a living creates a religion.
You seeing my point yet?
A religion is something you have faith in. If you can prove something you do not have faith. Science can be proved threfore it does not require faith and therefore it is not a religion. Some philosopher said something about religion providing the answers we wanted to hear until we could handle reality. Is science reality or is it all we can understand. People used to think everything was made of earth, water, fire and air. That was science but now it is wrong. Everyone believed it was true but know we have proved it to be false. Is everything made of atoms or is that all we can see.
Aorry for short reply, but I don't want to make this into another religious argument where it's me against everyone else...
My religion isn't based on facts, where as most of science is. Which is basically why my answer is no.
My religion isn't based on facts, where as most of science is. Which is basically why my answer is no.
Scientology has no real founding in science, the same as any religion. Just so happens that Hubbard chose to use a scientific theme for his religion, doesn’t make it stand up to scrutiny of science any better than any other religions.
I think you have to detach yourself from the fact that Hubbard writes Sci-Fi (badly). Although Sci-Fi does have fairly strong links to Sci-Fact, this doesn’t really apply in this case.
For example, I could base a religion on the Powerpuff Girls quite easily. I would have a creator (Professor Utonium), the side of Good (Powerpuff Girls), the side of Evil (Mojo Jo-Jo for example), various characters to make up prophets and saints, whatever I required. The rest I can just make up as I see fit.
My religion, despite being clearly the best religion ever, would fall apart under the ever watchful eye of science. Scientology is the same. Which is what I think Goatboy was saying; Scientology has nothing to do with science, like ANY religion, irrespective of it’s basis.
I think you have to detach yourself from the fact that Hubbard writes Sci-Fi (badly). Although Sci-Fi does have fairly strong links to Sci-Fact, this doesn’t really apply in this case.
For example, I could base a religion on the Powerpuff Girls quite easily. I would have a creator (Professor Utonium), the side of Good (Powerpuff Girls), the side of Evil (Mojo Jo-Jo for example), various characters to make up prophets and saints, whatever I required. The rest I can just make up as I see fit.
My religion, despite being clearly the best religion ever, would fall apart under the ever watchful eye of science. Scientology is the same. Which is what I think Goatboy was saying; Scientology has nothing to do with science, like ANY religion, irrespective of it’s basis.
Goatboy wrote:
> Scientology is nothing to do with science.
It's a religion created by L Ron
> Hubbard. A sci-fi writer.
Go research it, it's...well...amusing.
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You just contradicted yourself, sci fi has EVERYTHING to do with science in my opinion
> Scientology is nothing to do with science.
It's a religion created by L Ron
> Hubbard. A sci-fi writer.
Go research it, it's...well...amusing.
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You just contradicted yourself, sci fi has EVERYTHING to do with science in my opinion
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
Anyway, a religion is just the same as a cult, but with
> a larger number of followers. At which point does a cult stop being a cult, and
> become a legitimate religion? How many members/followers are required?
OK, the small groups are cults, next up is sects like the Amish, they have slightly larger numbers and last a lot longer than a cult ever would (especially the suicide cults, heh) Then you get denominations like the Methodists, then the churches, like the Church Of England
A cult or sect usually has a charasmatic leader, like the Moonies in Asia, whereas denominations and churches are more like what we associate with religion
Anyway, a religion is just the same as a cult, but with
> a larger number of followers. At which point does a cult stop being a cult, and
> become a legitimate religion? How many members/followers are required?
OK, the small groups are cults, next up is sects like the Amish, they have slightly larger numbers and last a lot longer than a cult ever would (especially the suicide cults, heh) Then you get denominations like the Methodists, then the churches, like the Church Of England
A cult or sect usually has a charasmatic leader, like the Moonies in Asia, whereas denominations and churches are more like what we associate with religion
Or watch Battlefield Earth, easily one of the worst films ever made. I think that the general idea is that the universe was formed by the condensing of matter around John Travoltas mammoth noggin, after he had pumped tonnes of his cash into Hubbards bank account.
Scientology is mind-numbingly rubbish, my cat has more of an idea about what’s going on that these cash fat clowns,
Scientology is mind-numbingly rubbish, my cat has more of an idea about what’s going on that these cash fat clowns,
Scientology is nothing to do with science.
It's a religion created by L Ron Hubbard. A sci-fi writer.
Go research it, it's...well...amusing.
It's a religion created by L Ron Hubbard. A sci-fi writer.
Go research it, it's...well...amusing.
MoJoJoJo wrote:
> Anyway, Scientology is a religion, and it's to do with
> Science. Famous members include John Travolta and Tom Cruise
Yeah - doesn't the church of scientology have something against washing clothes? Figure that one out!
Anyway, a religion is just the same as a cult, but with a larger number of followers. At which point does a cult stop being a cult, and become a legitimate religion? How many members/followers are required?
> Anyway, Scientology is a religion, and it's to do with
> Science. Famous members include John Travolta and Tom Cruise
Yeah - doesn't the church of scientology have something against washing clothes? Figure that one out!
Anyway, a religion is just the same as a cult, but with a larger number of followers. At which point does a cult stop being a cult, and become a legitimate religion? How many members/followers are required?
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