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We were invaded by Christians a few months back. [Note: I say a few months back, but I actually started writing this the day after they left]. It did get me thinking though:
What is a religion? A religion is something that you follow and believe in. Religions will never explain everything, but it offers an opinion and you choose to accept it if you wish. Christians choose to believe the Universe was made in 6 days, etc... Now, our RS teacher, Mr Clarke, posed us all the question "Do you have a religion", to which most of us answered "No". I also answered "no", because I believe in science, which I don't class as a religion. However, Mr Clarke and I got chatting at one point. He asked me if I had a religion and I said no, and when he asked why I replied "Because every explanation religion makes towards the Universe, etc. can also be explained through science, and to me the earth forming over billions of years makes much more sense than it being created over 6 days". The thing is, he noticed a flaw in my argument. There are some things that science can't explain like it can't explain fully how the universe was created and it can't explain fully how life evolved from scratch and how it came to be like it is today. Religion howeverm can. So, I quite stupidly replied "Well, I believe science will explain it eventually."
Then it hit me... I BELIEVE in science. I don't understand it. Sure, there are some things I understand, but most of it is just being told "this is how it is" and accepting it because it made sense in some way. The thing is, all I know is what I've been told. The only thing that makes it different to religion in a way is that it can be "proved" and measured. The fact that millions of other scientists concuur is no matter, because millions of priests concuur. It's a very interesting concept which has, well, changed my way of thinking I suppose.
I no longer just accept things, but I BELIEVE in science as my religion, I have found science. It's a young and upcoming religion, almost fledgling, because it is far behind other religions in terms of completetion. I will even worhip it by furthering my knowledge of science and endeavouring to contribute to its teachings, so that many before me may learn science at school and in life, and hopefully think "Oh, Robin Haswell discovered that, I want to be like him and discover stuff", and so writing more chapters in the big bumber bible of science.
What is a religion? A religion is something that you follow and believe in. Religions will never explain everything, but it offers an opinion and you choose to accept it if you wish. Christians choose to believe the Universe was made in 6 days, etc... Now, our RS teacher, Mr Clarke, posed us all the question "Do you have a religion", to which most of us answered "No". I also answered "no", because I believe in science, which I don't class as a religion. However, Mr Clarke and I got chatting at one point. He asked me if I had a religion and I said no, and when he asked why I replied "Because every explanation religion makes towards the Universe, etc. can also be explained through science, and to me the earth forming over billions of years makes much more sense than it being created over 6 days". The thing is, he noticed a flaw in my argument. There are some things that science can't explain like it can't explain fully how the universe was created and it can't explain fully how life evolved from scratch and how it came to be like it is today. Religion howeverm can. So, I quite stupidly replied "Well, I believe science will explain it eventually."
Then it hit me... I BELIEVE in science. I don't understand it. Sure, there are some things I understand, but most of it is just being told "this is how it is" and accepting it because it made sense in some way. The thing is, all I know is what I've been told. The only thing that makes it different to religion in a way is that it can be "proved" and measured. The fact that millions of other scientists concuur is no matter, because millions of priests concuur. It's a very interesting concept which has, well, changed my way of thinking I suppose.
I no longer just accept things, but I BELIEVE in science as my religion, I have found science. It's a young and upcoming religion, almost fledgling, because it is far behind other religions in terms of completetion. I will even worhip it by furthering my knowledge of science and endeavouring to contribute to its teachings, so that many before me may learn science at school and in life, and hopefully think "Oh, Robin Haswell discovered that, I want to be like him and discover stuff", and so writing more chapters in the big bumber bible of science.
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On Breakfast News on BBC1 this morning, there was a religious leader of some religion (I can't remember the name, something like raen). He believed humans were created by geneticists in a laboratory. When asked what his religion was based on. He replied "Science". He campaigns for human cloning as a future way of eternal life.
This religion by it's own admission is based on science.
This religion by it's own admission is based on science.
MoJoJoJo wrote:
> Funny how some scientists, who's very work disproves the bible, are religious people
Probably because those scientists are coffin dodgers themselves, and go to church just in case they made a mistake in one of their calculations...
> Funny how some scientists, who's very work disproves the bible, are religious people
Probably because those scientists are coffin dodgers themselves, and go to church just in case they made a mistake in one of their calculations...
Funny how some scientists, who's very work disproves the bible, are religious people
Evolution is against the bible, so is the big bang and just about everything else to do with science shows something wrong with Christianity, yet they sit in church every Sunday
So to them it's more important to have in faith in God, than to believe the bible
Evolution is against the bible, so is the big bang and just about everything else to do with science shows something wrong with Christianity, yet they sit in church every Sunday
So to them it's more important to have in faith in God, than to believe the bible
Goatboy wrote:
> MoJoJoJo wrote:
I've done religion in Sociology,
> and I'm somewhat of an
> expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening
> to my teacher,
> heh
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Ok,let's discuss the Catholic notion of original sin then.
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No, that would be LEARNING religion, not learning religion from a SOCILOGICAL view
Everything we learnt was sociological, after all, it's Sociology, not Religious Studies/Religious Education
> MoJoJoJo wrote:
I've done religion in Sociology,
> and I'm somewhat of an
> expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening
> to my teacher,
> heh
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Ok,let's discuss the Catholic notion of original sin then.
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No, that would be LEARNING religion, not learning religion from a SOCILOGICAL view
Everything we learnt was sociological, after all, it's Sociology, not Religious Studies/Religious Education
I don't *believe* in science.
That's pointless. Why believe in something you know exists?
You believe in stuff that other people aren't sure in.
You don't, for example, believe in the milkman. You know he's there, he delivers the milk every day. It's like that for me with science. I don't believe in science, I accept it.
In my view there is a difference between the two.
That's pointless. Why believe in something you know exists?
You believe in stuff that other people aren't sure in.
You don't, for example, believe in the milkman. You know he's there, he delivers the milk every day. It's like that for me with science. I don't believe in science, I accept it.
In my view there is a difference between the two.
I'd agree with YH. Science is always trying to discover new things and try to come up with reasonable answers as to why we are here. But, also, it is the reason as to why we are communicating with each other right now. The main reason people would believe in science more then religion, is because, science has given us results.
Computers, cars, internet, planes, microwaves, medicine. You can say that they're all a result of science. Discovery and perseveriance, that have brought us to where we are.
Religion, is for something to believe in, from really no evidence of any kind to say different. You can say that Jesus did exist, but, can you prove he was the son of God? It takes us back to the big bang question and where we all came from.
I ain't a religios person. I believe in science. Science is the reason we live past 30 years old. Science is the reason we can cure disease. Science if the reason behind new inventions. Science is God. A bold statement, but perhaps true. It gives hope. It can cure people. It can reach out to you. Take you places, you'd never thought were possible.
Computers, cars, internet, planes, microwaves, medicine. You can say that they're all a result of science. Discovery and perseveriance, that have brought us to where we are.
Religion, is for something to believe in, from really no evidence of any kind to say different. You can say that Jesus did exist, but, can you prove he was the son of God? It takes us back to the big bang question and where we all came from.
I ain't a religios person. I believe in science. Science is the reason we live past 30 years old. Science is the reason we can cure disease. Science if the reason behind new inventions. Science is God. A bold statement, but perhaps true. It gives hope. It can cure people. It can reach out to you. Take you places, you'd never thought were possible.
MoJoJoJo wrote:
As for faith and science, there are different theories
> in science, if you believe in them, you have FAITH in them.
Not at all. Just because I believe in them, does not have to mean I have faith in them.
I believe in the theory of speed of light, but I don't have faith because time and time again scientific theory has been proved to be wrong.
Like when it was thought the earth was flat, or that the universe revolved around us.
And the entire point of science is that you withold any form of belief until it has been unequivocably proved.
And even then, it's never 100% certain.
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You believe them
> without them being proved
What? Believe without them being proved? In science,do you mean?
As I've said, faith and belief are two entirely seperate matters.
I have faith,means that I unquestionably hold that to be true, even with a lack of any proof at all.
It is exactly that, "faith".
Proof, however,is the absolute and undeniable evidence that something is correct and there can be no other explantion/theory to counter it.
Science, and I am in no way an expert nor will faceitiously claim to be, is in a constant flux, because theories are continually proved to be incorrect.
They are update time and time again, because new evidence comes to light and original beliefs were altered.
Faith does not allow for this alteration of the original supposition, because to do so undermines your faith by suggesting that you were originally wrong.
Therefore, your faith was misguided and, by proxy, your future faith also has to contain an element of being wrong.
Which means it is not Faith, but belief.
As for faith and science, there are different theories
> in science, if you believe in them, you have FAITH in them.
Not at all. Just because I believe in them, does not have to mean I have faith in them.
I believe in the theory of speed of light, but I don't have faith because time and time again scientific theory has been proved to be wrong.
Like when it was thought the earth was flat, or that the universe revolved around us.
And the entire point of science is that you withold any form of belief until it has been unequivocably proved.
And even then, it's never 100% certain.
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You believe them
> without them being proved
What? Believe without them being proved? In science,do you mean?
As I've said, faith and belief are two entirely seperate matters.
I have faith,means that I unquestionably hold that to be true, even with a lack of any proof at all.
It is exactly that, "faith".
Proof, however,is the absolute and undeniable evidence that something is correct and there can be no other explantion/theory to counter it.
Science, and I am in no way an expert nor will faceitiously claim to be, is in a constant flux, because theories are continually proved to be incorrect.
They are update time and time again, because new evidence comes to light and original beliefs were altered.
Faith does not allow for this alteration of the original supposition, because to do so undermines your faith by suggesting that you were originally wrong.
Therefore, your faith was misguided and, by proxy, your future faith also has to contain an element of being wrong.
Which means it is not Faith, but belief.
Intriguing...
(can't think of anything else to say)
*Strokes imaginary beard*
Even if science is a religion, I still have no religion... I'm not really to concerned about how we got here, or why. I don't reckon there is any meaning to life, we're here, we may as well enjoy it. Science sometime in the future may give us some great flawless explanation of why we are here, how it all happened, etc. but will it really make a difference? It won't stop poverty in the world, won't stop some people harming others for no good reason, won't stop corporations from exploiting people. It probably won't even stop people believing in religion.
Whether it's true or not (I certainly can't prove it either way... maybe I'll send you a postcard when I die...) people will still want to believe that when they die they'll go to some other world, and death won't just be the end of them. People will want to believe that they will continue to exist after death, so will continue to believe in religion of some sort.
anyway, that's me all typed out for this post...
(can't think of anything else to say)
*Strokes imaginary beard*
Even if science is a religion, I still have no religion... I'm not really to concerned about how we got here, or why. I don't reckon there is any meaning to life, we're here, we may as well enjoy it. Science sometime in the future may give us some great flawless explanation of why we are here, how it all happened, etc. but will it really make a difference? It won't stop poverty in the world, won't stop some people harming others for no good reason, won't stop corporations from exploiting people. It probably won't even stop people believing in religion.
Whether it's true or not (I certainly can't prove it either way... maybe I'll send you a postcard when I die...) people will still want to believe that when they die they'll go to some other world, and death won't just be the end of them. People will want to believe that they will continue to exist after death, so will continue to believe in religion of some sort.
anyway, that's me all typed out for this post...
MoJoJoJo wrote:
I've done religion in Sociology,
> and I'm somewhat of an expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening
> to my teacher, heh
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Ok,let's discuss the Catholic notion of original sin then.
I've done religion in Sociology,
> and I'm somewhat of an expert on it after all those darned lessons sat listening
> to my teacher, heh
---
Ok,let's discuss the Catholic notion of original sin then.
Science is not a religion, in my view.
In a religion, like Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism whatever, you have no proof whatsoever.
Just faith.
In science you don't need faith, as you have proof, to an extent.
Faith is the founding principal of religion, without faith, relgion is nothing. Therefore science is not a religion.
In a religion, like Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism whatever, you have no proof whatsoever.
Just faith.
In science you don't need faith, as you have proof, to an extent.
Faith is the founding principal of religion, without faith, relgion is nothing. Therefore science is not a religion.
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