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We all know who Gerard Houllier is, and know how he brought those 3 back to Anfield with him last season. But is he really as great a manager as Liverpool fans seem to make out??? Well, obviously not right now as he's still recovering from a serious heart problem.
Of course, he has already brought in the goods, and has seen his side beat Man United TWICE at Old Trafford!
How do you define 'A Good Manager'??? Think about that while you read on...
Do you remember these players from their times at Anfield under Houllier's reign:
Paul Ince - A firey defensive-midfielder who has peviously had spells with Man United and Inter Milan. So he must have been worth the money for Liverpool! But not necessarily in Gerard Houllier's eyes... Ince was Liverpool's first-chhoice captain for a while, but then it all started to go wrong. For some reason (maybe due to a bust-up with the manager) Ince found himself 'left to rot in the reserves'. The former England captain also found that he was banned from training with the first-team, and trained with other first-team rejects, including Sean Dundee!
Where is he know?? Holding an under-performing Middlesbrough side together under new boss Steve McLaren.
So, he's gone to a club after success, to a club that could be facing a relagation battle!
Sean Dundee - He was once a promising young South African striker with a dream of playing a Germany. But then he moved to Liverpool. He thought that being at a big club like Liverpool would help him get recognition from German Head Coach Berti Vogts, but he was wrong! He recieved the same treatment as Ince, but with much less games, with an early start. I think that the only 2 games he played in were Worthington Cup matches, and that was after coming on as a sub. So he was never given the chances he needed to show what he can do!
Now, after completing a move to German side VFB Stuttgart a few years ago, Dundee has recieved his one and only international cap, and is playing more regularly closer to his dreams. If he keeps on playing well i'm sure he'll make it. After all, Bierhoff and co. can't play forever!
Sander Westerveld - The sale pf Westerveld was, at the time, possibly Houllier's biggest mistake as Liverpool manager. Sander WAS a top Dutchman, edging closer each game to replacing van der Sar for Holland. After a successfull first season at the club, he must have thought that nothing could go wrong, but it did! Houllier dropped and transfer-listed him after one error led to a Bolton winner, earlier in the season! In my view, that's a bad choice!
Yes, he made a blooper, but that was the one and only time! Fabien Barthez has made many this season, but Fergie and co. have still stuck by him, and look how important he is to us! Thanks to Houllier, Westerveld may not be playin for Holland for quite some time yet!
Sander Westerveld can now be found playing in the Primera Liga for Spanish no-hopers Real Sociedad. Is there any hope left for Westerveld??
Robbie Fowler - Looking at his goal-scoring record, what he's done for the club, and how well he's worked with Owen, even as an Everton fan, the sale of Robbie Fowler has to be Gerard Houllier's biggest mistke!! Ok, so Phil Thmopson was incharge, and he didn't get on well woth Fowler, but as manager, surely Houlleir could've stepped in and said 'He's staying!' from his hospital bed!! Any other manager must have thought he'd gone to a mental home after letting Fowler go, and I bet David O'Leary couldn't believe his luck! Juts look at what he's done for Leeds already this season, £11m seems like a real bargin!!
Maybe Fowler needed a change to get back to his best, or maybe he just wanted to get away from Thompson, but the fact is that no manager would seriously consider selling a top striker like Robbie Fowler!!
So, now you've had the time to think, how would you define 'A Good Manager'??
I think one thing a good manager must be able to do is get on well with all of the other team and staff members. And to me, this is simply one thing Houlier cannot do. He also caused problems during his time incharge of France when he was brave enough to drop David Ginola from the French squad altogether!
So is he really as good a manager as Liverpool fans make him out to be, or do they need to look closer into his past to discover the truth???
Of course, he has already brought in the goods, and has seen his side beat Man United TWICE at Old Trafford!
How do you define 'A Good Manager'??? Think about that while you read on...
Do you remember these players from their times at Anfield under Houllier's reign:
Paul Ince - A firey defensive-midfielder who has peviously had spells with Man United and Inter Milan. So he must have been worth the money for Liverpool! But not necessarily in Gerard Houllier's eyes... Ince was Liverpool's first-chhoice captain for a while, but then it all started to go wrong. For some reason (maybe due to a bust-up with the manager) Ince found himself 'left to rot in the reserves'. The former England captain also found that he was banned from training with the first-team, and trained with other first-team rejects, including Sean Dundee!
Where is he know?? Holding an under-performing Middlesbrough side together under new boss Steve McLaren.
So, he's gone to a club after success, to a club that could be facing a relagation battle!
Sean Dundee - He was once a promising young South African striker with a dream of playing a Germany. But then he moved to Liverpool. He thought that being at a big club like Liverpool would help him get recognition from German Head Coach Berti Vogts, but he was wrong! He recieved the same treatment as Ince, but with much less games, with an early start. I think that the only 2 games he played in were Worthington Cup matches, and that was after coming on as a sub. So he was never given the chances he needed to show what he can do!
Now, after completing a move to German side VFB Stuttgart a few years ago, Dundee has recieved his one and only international cap, and is playing more regularly closer to his dreams. If he keeps on playing well i'm sure he'll make it. After all, Bierhoff and co. can't play forever!
Sander Westerveld - The sale pf Westerveld was, at the time, possibly Houllier's biggest mistake as Liverpool manager. Sander WAS a top Dutchman, edging closer each game to replacing van der Sar for Holland. After a successfull first season at the club, he must have thought that nothing could go wrong, but it did! Houllier dropped and transfer-listed him after one error led to a Bolton winner, earlier in the season! In my view, that's a bad choice!
Yes, he made a blooper, but that was the one and only time! Fabien Barthez has made many this season, but Fergie and co. have still stuck by him, and look how important he is to us! Thanks to Houllier, Westerveld may not be playin for Holland for quite some time yet!
Sander Westerveld can now be found playing in the Primera Liga for Spanish no-hopers Real Sociedad. Is there any hope left for Westerveld??
Robbie Fowler - Looking at his goal-scoring record, what he's done for the club, and how well he's worked with Owen, even as an Everton fan, the sale of Robbie Fowler has to be Gerard Houllier's biggest mistke!! Ok, so Phil Thmopson was incharge, and he didn't get on well woth Fowler, but as manager, surely Houlleir could've stepped in and said 'He's staying!' from his hospital bed!! Any other manager must have thought he'd gone to a mental home after letting Fowler go, and I bet David O'Leary couldn't believe his luck! Juts look at what he's done for Leeds already this season, £11m seems like a real bargin!!
Maybe Fowler needed a change to get back to his best, or maybe he just wanted to get away from Thompson, but the fact is that no manager would seriously consider selling a top striker like Robbie Fowler!!
So, now you've had the time to think, how would you define 'A Good Manager'??
I think one thing a good manager must be able to do is get on well with all of the other team and staff members. And to me, this is simply one thing Houlier cannot do. He also caused problems during his time incharge of France when he was brave enough to drop David Ginola from the French squad altogether!
So is he really as good a manager as Liverpool fans make him out to be, or do they need to look closer into his past to discover the truth???
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Yeah, I missed Bobby out. I suppose I chose over the past 2 or 3 seasons; y'see, he only started this season. However, include him in my list ;)
I agree with that s2g. But what about Bobby Robson, and what he's done with Newcastle this season??
The best managers in the Premiership are, in no order:
Gerrard Houllier
Alex Ferguson
Arsene Wenger
Georger Burley
Glen Hoddle
You might disagree, but just look at what these guys have done
Gerrard Houllier
Alex Ferguson
Arsene Wenger
Georger Burley
Glen Hoddle
You might disagree, but just look at what these guys have done
I think that Arsenal should've signed Dudek when they had the chance, and should've got him instead of Richard Wright! He'd get loads of games (cuz Seaman's always injured) and he should've gotten a fat pay check! They're paying Sol Campbell £80,000 a week!! Why not give Dudek the £30-40k he wants??
Also the only reason Dudek signed for Liverpool was because Arsenal did not want him!
I have got to disagree, not many players sign for a club just because of one particular manager. Dudek wanted to join Arsenal before as Arsenal were a major club in Europe and also he would get a fat pay cheque every week. He didn't want to sign for Arsenal becuase Wenger is a great manager, he only wanted to get his pay cheque and play for a major club.
Dudek didn't join Liverpool because Houllier was there, but because they were also a major european club, who had just enjoyed success last season.
Dudek didn't join Liverpool because Houllier was there, but because they were also a major european club, who had just enjoyed success last season.
Mandatare, do you support Wigan aswell then??? And we're stil going back up to Div.1 this season, while you'll be edging closer to the Conference, LOL!!!
Yes, I agree that as a big name, Houllier has attracted many people to come to Anfield, and that Dudek does look like a quality keeper, and Arsenal wasted shouldn't have just ignored the chance to sign him. But, you must admit that Houllier has mis-treated certain individuals, mainly reserve team players!
Also, do you feel that Houllier should return in March, or wait 'till the end of the season??
I think he should wait, as he could mess up Liverpool's good run under Thompson.
Yes, I agree that as a big name, Houllier has attracted many people to come to Anfield, and that Dudek does look like a quality keeper, and Arsenal wasted shouldn't have just ignored the chance to sign him. But, you must admit that Houllier has mis-treated certain individuals, mainly reserve team players!
Also, do you feel that Houllier should return in March, or wait 'till the end of the season??
I think he should wait, as he could mess up Liverpool's good run under Thompson.
Solskjær_24
How did city do today?
2-1, what a shame
How did Rovers do today?
2-0 YES!
How did Woking do today?
4-1 YES!
How did liverpool do today?
6-0 YES!
All of my teams won today!
WOOHOO!
How did city do today?
2-1, what a shame
How did Rovers do today?
2-0 YES!
How did Woking do today?
4-1 YES!
How did liverpool do today?
6-0 YES!
All of my teams won today!
WOOHOO!
It was Evans who brought in Berger, and Houllier who persuaded him to stay when he was about to leave. And if you get your facts right, you will recall that most of them wanted to play for Liverpool, BECAUSE Hollier was there.
Gerard Houllier has spend a lot of money, which many English clubs did not have. This meant he could buy top players Hyypia, Berger, Litmanen, Dudek, Babbel, Riise and Hamann. All these players were chased by top european clubs like Inter Milan, AC Milan, Deportivo and others.
But all these players wanted to play English Football and play for Liverpool and didn't care who the manager was. By buying these players you are almost granted a champions league place and a cup or two, whoever the manager is . As look as the manager is tactically sound (anyone bar Raneri or Gross) you could win cups willy nilly.
Liverpool have also have there little bit of luck. The hand ball incident in the FA Cup final, Birmingham should of had a penalty and having Alaves in the final was the luckist moment of Liverpool's season.
I don't think Houllier is a top class manager but a manager who has had a lot of luck on the way.
But all these players wanted to play English Football and play for Liverpool and didn't care who the manager was. By buying these players you are almost granted a champions league place and a cup or two, whoever the manager is . As look as the manager is tactically sound (anyone bar Raneri or Gross) you could win cups willy nilly.
Liverpool have also have there little bit of luck. The hand ball incident in the FA Cup final, Birmingham should of had a penalty and having Alaves in the final was the luckist moment of Liverpool's season.
I don't think Houllier is a top class manager but a manager who has had a lot of luck on the way.
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