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There's no disputing the fact that the XBOX and GCN have lost the race. They'd probably lost it before the thing had even started. The Dreamcast died out due to sheer anticipation of the PS2, the universally recognised brand, the machine that makes games trendy and cool...in fact, the Gameboy Advance is probably the nearest challenger. Microsoft seem to be desperate not to fail, clutching at pack-in deals for less than £200, and splashing out on companies like Rare that seem to have lost a little of their pull...but despite the neediness that is exhuded by the XBOX, it's attractive pricing and killer apps such as Halo, along with the enticing option of Xbox Live, have seen it overtake the GC. Many gamers are upset, seeing Nintendo as the only lasting original company after the demise of consoles from the likes of 3DO and Sega...but do Nintendo deserve to falter? Sega have had a comeback of Alan Partridge proportions after going software-only, would it benefit Nintendo?
The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo, and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But what of Europe? It's no secret that Nintendo still don't regard the East of 'the West' as a main priority, concentrating more on home and America, traditionally the biggest electronics-buying countries. Here we won't be getting Zelda for a fair few months, and that's not just a single sob story to try and convince you. Metroid Prime is slowly chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a go on the Gamecube. It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't be here for half a year...in fact, the only people it really helps are the exact types Nintendo are strictly opposed to: Sony and Microsoft, who ply customers with classics instantly available, and importers and chippers, who provide the means for European gamers to get the games when they should.
So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD, really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped into TBC land. Let's look at the alternatives - right now you could go out and buy a Playstation 2. For games, you could buy GTA:Vice City or Pro Evolution 2; both leaders in their respective fields. If you opted for an XBOX, you'd be given the choice of Halo (the best console FPS ever), Jet Set Radio Future (a sleeper hit) and Splinter Cell, the critically acclaimed challenger to MGS which won't come out on the other consoles for a few months, IF Microsoft don't lock it down for exclusive rights. The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best platformer of the year), Super Monkey Ball (in which you roll monkeys around in balls) and Eternal Darkness, which seems to have no choice but to limp into shopping trolleys through word of mouth due to criminal under-exposure from Nintendo. And then Resident Evil, the inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1 for around a tenner.
Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the Gamecube. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad system - it has the quality. But the makers seem to be determined to fail. Take the Panasonic Q, a Gamecube with multi-region DVD player capabilities. Do Nintendo license it for America and Europe? Nope. And they don't seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not sounding mature. Having a purple console doesn't help either. No matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this, they're not going very far.
Then the Game Boy Advance. Here Nintendo started off quite well - complete backwards compatibility creating an almost infinite library of games, tonnes of great updates of old classics like Doom and Super Mario World, audacious ports from more complex games such as Medal of Honour and SSX Tricky, and more of those new Nintendo must-buys like Metroid Fusion. It's even compatible with everything, due to no regional lock-out! Unfortunately, nobody bothered to mention the dark screen which has been the butt of an untold amount of jokes. It's taken independent companies to do what everyone has wanted Nintendo to do, and that's give the GBA a backlit screen...and when everyone's excited about this new piece of handheld hardware, it turns out they recycle a SNES idea and create a GBA player for the GCN.
At almost every turn, Nintendo seem determined to show everyone how bad they can be. Be it neglecting an important market, almost not bothering to release games in certain areas, not doing enough about their image, and I haven't even touched on Nintendo's reluctance to move into the lucrative online avenue. With the Microsoft/Rare deal Nintendo won't be going bankrupt anytime soon, and with Pikmin 2 and Mario 128 said to be in 'the future' and the likes of Metroid Prime and Zelda:TWW yet to come, there's lots of good gaming to be had there. But should Nintendo be left behind by the Xbox? I think so. Here's hoping they try harder next time round...it'd be terrible to see another giant fall.
Thanks for reading, your thoughts are appreciated.
-El Blokey
The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo, and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But what of Europe? It's no secret that Nintendo still don't regard the East of 'the West' as a main priority, concentrating more on home and America, traditionally the biggest electronics-buying countries. Here we won't be getting Zelda for a fair few months, and that's not just a single sob story to try and convince you. Metroid Prime is slowly chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a go on the Gamecube. It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't be here for half a year...in fact, the only people it really helps are the exact types Nintendo are strictly opposed to: Sony and Microsoft, who ply customers with classics instantly available, and importers and chippers, who provide the means for European gamers to get the games when they should.
So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD, really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped into TBC land. Let's look at the alternatives - right now you could go out and buy a Playstation 2. For games, you could buy GTA:Vice City or Pro Evolution 2; both leaders in their respective fields. If you opted for an XBOX, you'd be given the choice of Halo (the best console FPS ever), Jet Set Radio Future (a sleeper hit) and Splinter Cell, the critically acclaimed challenger to MGS which won't come out on the other consoles for a few months, IF Microsoft don't lock it down for exclusive rights. The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best platformer of the year), Super Monkey Ball (in which you roll monkeys around in balls) and Eternal Darkness, which seems to have no choice but to limp into shopping trolleys through word of mouth due to criminal under-exposure from Nintendo. And then Resident Evil, the inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1 for around a tenner.
Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the Gamecube. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad system - it has the quality. But the makers seem to be determined to fail. Take the Panasonic Q, a Gamecube with multi-region DVD player capabilities. Do Nintendo license it for America and Europe? Nope. And they don't seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not sounding mature. Having a purple console doesn't help either. No matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this, they're not going very far.
Then the Game Boy Advance. Here Nintendo started off quite well - complete backwards compatibility creating an almost infinite library of games, tonnes of great updates of old classics like Doom and Super Mario World, audacious ports from more complex games such as Medal of Honour and SSX Tricky, and more of those new Nintendo must-buys like Metroid Fusion. It's even compatible with everything, due to no regional lock-out! Unfortunately, nobody bothered to mention the dark screen which has been the butt of an untold amount of jokes. It's taken independent companies to do what everyone has wanted Nintendo to do, and that's give the GBA a backlit screen...and when everyone's excited about this new piece of handheld hardware, it turns out they recycle a SNES idea and create a GBA player for the GCN.
At almost every turn, Nintendo seem determined to show everyone how bad they can be. Be it neglecting an important market, almost not bothering to release games in certain areas, not doing enough about their image, and I haven't even touched on Nintendo's reluctance to move into the lucrative online avenue. With the Microsoft/Rare deal Nintendo won't be going bankrupt anytime soon, and with Pikmin 2 and Mario 128 said to be in 'the future' and the likes of Metroid Prime and Zelda:TWW yet to come, there's lots of good gaming to be had there. But should Nintendo be left behind by the Xbox? I think so. Here's hoping they try harder next time round...it'd be terrible to see another giant fall.
Thanks for reading, your thoughts are appreciated.
-El Blokey
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El Blokey wrote:
> There's no disputing the fact that the XBOX and GCN have lost the
> race.
What race? Just because the consoles are'nt at the number 1 spot does'nt actually make them bad you know.
> the machine that makes games trendy and cool...in fact, the Gameboy
> Advance is probably the nearest challenger.
So what you are saying is The PS2 is trendy and "cool" So why is that quite alot of people own other consoles? Does that make them "not cool"? Yes the Gameboy Advance is a great little beast of a handheld, Same as the Xbox and Gamecube.
> Microsoft seem to be desperate not to fail, clutching at
> pack-in deals for less than £200, and splashing out on companies
> like Rare that seem to have lost a little of their pull...but despite
> the neediness that is exhuded by the XBOX, it's attractive pricing and
> killer apps such as Halo, along with the enticing option of Xbox Live,
> have seen it overtake the GC.
All companys are "desparate" not to fail, Its called Marketing. And Microsoft saw Rare up for sale, What else was they going to do? The Xbox and Gamecube has had by far more "Killer Apps" then the PS2 has ever had in its two year lifetime. Ok, yes, The Xbox has overtaken the Gamecube, But who gives a testicle about sales?
> Sega have had a comeback of Alan Partridge proportions after going
> software-only, would it benefit Nintendo?
Not really no, The Gamecube is an excellent console, Doing well in all regions, There is no reason to go down the Sega route at all. In fact I'm purchasing a Gamecube very soon.
> The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo,
> and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right
> now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But
> what of Europe?
In case you did'nt notice, Japan and America get games before us. It always has been like that mate :)
> Metroid Prime is slowly
> chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it
> and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think
> back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a
> go on the Gamecube.
We was the last to get GTA3, PS2 and Xbox, Its exactly the same to what I said above.
> It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build
> up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't
> be here for half a year...
Mario Sunshine was destined to be a classic from the start, Many people who grew up with Mario purchased a Gamecube and patiently waited for a release, Nobody wants such an excellent game to be a rush job, thats why it took some time. Unlike some Console Developers *Ahem*
> So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after
> Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after
> the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader
> disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD,
> really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped
> into TBC land.
Yes the Freeloader ordeal is dissapointing, But it is'nt my "Most sought after accessory" In fact i'm looking forward to the Gameboy Advance Player. Freeloader is an excellent idea in my opinion, and there is no means to criticise it.
> The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario
> Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best
> platformer of the year)
Why would people be dissapointed?
> And then Resident Evil, the
> inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1
> for around a tenner.
Thats the most lamest comment. Ever.
> Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football
> and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or
> bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the
> Gamecube.
I think the "Nintendo is for kids" idea is a bit old now, Killing people, Violence does'nt make a great game you know.
> And they don't
> seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all
> the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat
> plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not
> sounding mature.
Same as above, The Nintendo is "kiddy" joke is kinda old and makes you ironiccly immature about it.
> Having a purple console doesn't help either.
Get a black one then.
> No
> matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off
> by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad
> Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this,
> they're not going very far.
The Gasmecube is'nt a childs toy, Same as above, These comments are lame and kinda washed out.
Yes, Like I say I am purchasing a Gamecube soon, Being an owner of an Xbox and Gameboy Advance, I feel its time for another excellent console. I used to own a PS2 and Psone, But I traded them both in for an Xbox. I have never looked back since. Yes, The PS2 has a large back catalogue of games but the majority are medicore and the online "big hits" comes out once or twice in a year (GTA3, The Getaway ect) Although the Getaway is incredibly poor, I played it the other day, The cars move so slow and there is so many graphic flaws. At least Nintendo and Microsoft are churning out the Excellent titles one after another in the space of two years (Splinter Cell, Halo, Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin ect).
Nintendo nor Microsoft will never fail in this console war, And I feel prod to be XB-Nintyfied, Forever.
> There's no disputing the fact that the XBOX and GCN have lost the
> race.
What race? Just because the consoles are'nt at the number 1 spot does'nt actually make them bad you know.
> the machine that makes games trendy and cool...in fact, the Gameboy
> Advance is probably the nearest challenger.
So what you are saying is The PS2 is trendy and "cool" So why is that quite alot of people own other consoles? Does that make them "not cool"? Yes the Gameboy Advance is a great little beast of a handheld, Same as the Xbox and Gamecube.
> Microsoft seem to be desperate not to fail, clutching at
> pack-in deals for less than £200, and splashing out on companies
> like Rare that seem to have lost a little of their pull...but despite
> the neediness that is exhuded by the XBOX, it's attractive pricing and
> killer apps such as Halo, along with the enticing option of Xbox Live,
> have seen it overtake the GC.
All companys are "desparate" not to fail, Its called Marketing. And Microsoft saw Rare up for sale, What else was they going to do? The Xbox and Gamecube has had by far more "Killer Apps" then the PS2 has ever had in its two year lifetime. Ok, yes, The Xbox has overtaken the Gamecube, But who gives a testicle about sales?
> Sega have had a comeback of Alan Partridge proportions after going
> software-only, would it benefit Nintendo?
Not really no, The Gamecube is an excellent console, Doing well in all regions, There is no reason to go down the Sega route at all. In fact I'm purchasing a Gamecube very soon.
> The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo,
> and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right
> now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But
> what of Europe?
In case you did'nt notice, Japan and America get games before us. It always has been like that mate :)
> Metroid Prime is slowly
> chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it
> and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think
> back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a
> go on the Gamecube.
We was the last to get GTA3, PS2 and Xbox, Its exactly the same to what I said above.
> It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build
> up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't
> be here for half a year...
Mario Sunshine was destined to be a classic from the start, Many people who grew up with Mario purchased a Gamecube and patiently waited for a release, Nobody wants such an excellent game to be a rush job, thats why it took some time. Unlike some Console Developers *Ahem*
> So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after
> Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after
> the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader
> disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD,
> really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped
> into TBC land.
Yes the Freeloader ordeal is dissapointing, But it is'nt my "Most sought after accessory" In fact i'm looking forward to the Gameboy Advance Player. Freeloader is an excellent idea in my opinion, and there is no means to criticise it.
> The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario
> Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best
> platformer of the year)
Why would people be dissapointed?
> And then Resident Evil, the
> inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1
> for around a tenner.
Thats the most lamest comment. Ever.
> Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football
> and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or
> bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the
> Gamecube.
I think the "Nintendo is for kids" idea is a bit old now, Killing people, Violence does'nt make a great game you know.
> And they don't
> seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all
> the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat
> plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not
> sounding mature.
Same as above, The Nintendo is "kiddy" joke is kinda old and makes you ironiccly immature about it.
> Having a purple console doesn't help either.
Get a black one then.
> No
> matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off
> by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad
> Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this,
> they're not going very far.
The Gasmecube is'nt a childs toy, Same as above, These comments are lame and kinda washed out.
Yes, Like I say I am purchasing a Gamecube soon, Being an owner of an Xbox and Gameboy Advance, I feel its time for another excellent console. I used to own a PS2 and Psone, But I traded them both in for an Xbox. I have never looked back since. Yes, The PS2 has a large back catalogue of games but the majority are medicore and the online "big hits" comes out once or twice in a year (GTA3, The Getaway ect) Although the Getaway is incredibly poor, I played it the other day, The cars move so slow and there is so many graphic flaws. At least Nintendo and Microsoft are churning out the Excellent titles one after another in the space of two years (Splinter Cell, Halo, Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin ect).
Nintendo nor Microsoft will never fail in this console war, And I feel prod to be XB-Nintyfied, Forever.
Let's toss a few more things into the pot:
Most people have PCs, but not many have tooled up ones for gaming. Even less have enough drivers to run the glitched, buggy code that is GTA3 for PC. So really, unless you're just speaking for yourself saying it'll come out on the PC isn't a valid argument.
The PS2 has probably more exclusive games worth owning than either of the other consoles have. Forget about the tonnes of rubbish ones, if you ignore them they won't harm you. Whereas the Cube and XBOX have maybe 5 games, the Playstation 2 must have at least a dozen, and not just because of the headstart it got. The PS2 has been marketed well, and it's got its fair share of classics.
Can we stop turning this into a PS2 bashing thread and talk about the actual thread now? I'm looking at you, Whitestripes =D
Most people have PCs, but not many have tooled up ones for gaming. Even less have enough drivers to run the glitched, buggy code that is GTA3 for PC. So really, unless you're just speaking for yourself saying it'll come out on the PC isn't a valid argument.
The PS2 has probably more exclusive games worth owning than either of the other consoles have. Forget about the tonnes of rubbish ones, if you ignore them they won't harm you. Whereas the Cube and XBOX have maybe 5 games, the Playstation 2 must have at least a dozen, and not just because of the headstart it got. The PS2 has been marketed well, and it's got its fair share of classics.
Can we stop turning this into a PS2 bashing thread and talk about the actual thread now? I'm looking at you, Whitestripes =D
Belldandy wrote:
> I disagree with the idea of a kiddy image - anyone whose old enough
> for supposedly mature games - whose content is often not far removed
> from teen flicks like Scream e.t.c - should really be mature enough to
> see the system for what it is. I bought a Gamecube for the games, I
> bought an Xbox for the games, and after Christmas I bought a GBA for
> the games.
But look at the facts. Nintendo has always concentrated more on games, and less on image. It is a good thing, but when many other factors mean that great Nintendo games are becoming fewer and further between, they need to look at improving their image to do better. It's a fact of the industry that Nintendo are seen as immature, no matter how shallow or stupid you want to call people that think this, they won't change their mind...unless Nintendo do something. And gaming is moving away from the hardcore, and into the hands of gamers looking for the big names such as Sony and Fifa.
> Games are the be all and end all now. I don't think a larger release
> for the Q Cube could help because the DVD manufacturers would not be
> happy about it ! Nintendo does seem to regard the West as a poor
> relative, or at least Europe anyway, but we get the games eventually.
> Nintendo is always going to be strong in Japan, and abroad as well -
> nothing will change that.
The point is their strength in America is slowly being undermined by the XBOX, and the PAL situation is something we shouldn't just sit down and take. The Q Cube would make a big difference for many people, because having a DVD player is a big selling point, having a multi-regional one even more so. And it looks cool, which is clearly the most important thing.
> Maybe, though, Nintendo don't want to be another Sony - sure the PS2
> enjoys wide success, alongside bucketfulls of cheap crap games and an
> increasingly large age range for its user base. Microsoft and Sony
> reps in Edge's pre Christmas issue both stated that in Europe and the
> US a majority of games sales were still gift driven - which had
> implications for the PS2's mass market future.
>
> Think about it. Mr Developer can;
>
> a) produce well though out, 3 years in development, brilliant concept
> drop dead gorgeous graphics game, and probably see a month or two of
> success with the more mature gamers before they all go out and buy the
> next 9/10 mature game
>
> OR
>
> b) hammer out a bright colourful kids license in six months, get it on
> the shelves alongside three similarly quickly cheaply developed games,
> sell them all for £29.99 or less, and watch sales rise as kids
> get the "wonderful" cheap games bought to go with their new
> PS2.
>
> Sure, a few will take option a), but most are doing similar to b),
> does anyone want the GC and Xbox to be this popular ? I don't !
You seem to be tilting the argument a little. The PS2 seems a victim of his own success because they house games like Mary Kate and Ashley's Prom Dance etc. etc. yet that doesn't mean that other games, inovative games, aren't being made. Think of the N64 - the PSX sold more, but the N64 did pretty well. It's the same with PS2 games...for every game that's complete dross, there's an ICO, a Frequency, a Gitaroo Man.
> I disagree with the idea of a kiddy image - anyone whose old enough
> for supposedly mature games - whose content is often not far removed
> from teen flicks like Scream e.t.c - should really be mature enough to
> see the system for what it is. I bought a Gamecube for the games, I
> bought an Xbox for the games, and after Christmas I bought a GBA for
> the games.
But look at the facts. Nintendo has always concentrated more on games, and less on image. It is a good thing, but when many other factors mean that great Nintendo games are becoming fewer and further between, they need to look at improving their image to do better. It's a fact of the industry that Nintendo are seen as immature, no matter how shallow or stupid you want to call people that think this, they won't change their mind...unless Nintendo do something. And gaming is moving away from the hardcore, and into the hands of gamers looking for the big names such as Sony and Fifa.
> Games are the be all and end all now. I don't think a larger release
> for the Q Cube could help because the DVD manufacturers would not be
> happy about it ! Nintendo does seem to regard the West as a poor
> relative, or at least Europe anyway, but we get the games eventually.
> Nintendo is always going to be strong in Japan, and abroad as well -
> nothing will change that.
The point is their strength in America is slowly being undermined by the XBOX, and the PAL situation is something we shouldn't just sit down and take. The Q Cube would make a big difference for many people, because having a DVD player is a big selling point, having a multi-regional one even more so. And it looks cool, which is clearly the most important thing.
> Maybe, though, Nintendo don't want to be another Sony - sure the PS2
> enjoys wide success, alongside bucketfulls of cheap crap games and an
> increasingly large age range for its user base. Microsoft and Sony
> reps in Edge's pre Christmas issue both stated that in Europe and the
> US a majority of games sales were still gift driven - which had
> implications for the PS2's mass market future.
>
> Think about it. Mr Developer can;
>
> a) produce well though out, 3 years in development, brilliant concept
> drop dead gorgeous graphics game, and probably see a month or two of
> success with the more mature gamers before they all go out and buy the
> next 9/10 mature game
>
> OR
>
> b) hammer out a bright colourful kids license in six months, get it on
> the shelves alongside three similarly quickly cheaply developed games,
> sell them all for £29.99 or less, and watch sales rise as kids
> get the "wonderful" cheap games bought to go with their new
> PS2.
>
> Sure, a few will take option a), but most are doing similar to b),
> does anyone want the GC and Xbox to be this popular ? I don't !
You seem to be tilting the argument a little. The PS2 seems a victim of his own success because they house games like Mary Kate and Ashley's Prom Dance etc. etc. yet that doesn't mean that other games, inovative games, aren't being made. Think of the N64 - the PSX sold more, but the N64 did pretty well. It's the same with PS2 games...for every game that's complete dross, there's an ICO, a Frequency, a Gitaroo Man.
WS, sports is a big market, hence why PES2 is such a big seller, why Fifa tops the chart, why so many people play Virtua Tennis at the arcades.
And Metroid Prime is sort of not an FPS, but I guess it does count, and I forgot about Vendetta.
Strafex, when I said fail in America and Europe I meant in regards to the XBOX.
And Metroid Prime is sort of not an FPS, but I guess it does count, and I forgot about Vendetta.
Strafex, when I said fail in America and Europe I meant in regards to the XBOX.
People who think that Games are "kiddy" because you don't get to shoot people with oversized weaponry really are shallow. There is no other way to put it. If you think that because a game is designed for children, it shouldn't be played by anyone over the age of 12, you're either an idiot, or terribly insecure in yourself.
But don't let me get started on this, I don't have the necessary vocabulary for it while the censor is in the way.
But don't let me get started on this, I don't have the necessary vocabulary for it while the censor is in the way.
Belldandy's reply is one of the best that I have actually read on these forums as it actually makes sense! All this Xbox only has Halo and Splinter Cell rubbish doesn't wash anymore, the Xbox has so many great exclusive titles! I would rather play all games on a console because PC gaming sucks with a capital S! Sure the games are great but I am sick of games just quiting back to the menu screen or error messages appearing. If it is my PC then so be it but I aren't going out and spending £1000 when I can get a console for under £200 with 3 games! I am going out to treat myself to a GameCube tomorrow for £129.99 (with Rocky hopefully if the Dixons deal is still on), I am going to get great/amazing games for 1 tenth cheaper than a PC and I can also play without worrying about performance or hard drive space etc.
Back to Belldandy's, I don't want either the Xbox or GameCube to become a PS2 infact I want totally the opposite. I traded my PS2 for an Xbox which at the time was a riskey thing to do on my part but I haven't looked back since. Yes the PS2 has GTA and Pro Evolution but the majority of games on the PS2 are rubbish and only in there to boost the annual sales figures (as Belldandy correctly said in his post)! I want great games like Halo, Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, Splinter Cell, Project Gotham Racing etc all the time and not just twice a year and with the PS2 I think the Great to poor ratio is about 1:100 which is not what I look for when choosing less powerful console over a graphically stronger one. Too many games on the PS2 fall short of expectations and even GTA Vice City looks like a rushed title, why don't they spend more time making it? Simple, they know it will sell so why not patch it out and lets not waste time taking the genre in a more advanced direction, we have reached the bench-mark with GTA3 so lets put out feet up and watch the people flock back for more as we patch out a new version every year!
Its the same with the Getaway as well! I remember reading about that game in 2000 and thinking how amazing it was going to be, its not even as good as GTA3 which is a year old! What did the do? They spent too much time on re-creating London and avoided vital gameplay elemnts which should be in there. PS2 games are hyped so much and 9/10 times it turns out totally the opposite to what you expect. I suppose if Wookie is reading this he is going to jump in and tell me otherwise, but that doesn't change the way I feel about the PS2. A waste of my £289 (bar GTA3 which I own on the PC now) I can tell you that for nothing! The console isn't rubbish but the majority of 3rd party games are!
I don't want the Xbox and GameCube to turn out like that and therefore I think sales need to be sacrificed to avoid this otherwise we will all end up playing Disney Swimming instead of classics like Resident Evil and Splinter Cell! Maybe I aren't in a position to make such a decision but with a quick glance at the release list for the Xbox and GameCube I think they chose to make that decision as well and there is no-one more relieved than me about this!
Back to Belldandy's, I don't want either the Xbox or GameCube to become a PS2 infact I want totally the opposite. I traded my PS2 for an Xbox which at the time was a riskey thing to do on my part but I haven't looked back since. Yes the PS2 has GTA and Pro Evolution but the majority of games on the PS2 are rubbish and only in there to boost the annual sales figures (as Belldandy correctly said in his post)! I want great games like Halo, Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, Splinter Cell, Project Gotham Racing etc all the time and not just twice a year and with the PS2 I think the Great to poor ratio is about 1:100 which is not what I look for when choosing less powerful console over a graphically stronger one. Too many games on the PS2 fall short of expectations and even GTA Vice City looks like a rushed title, why don't they spend more time making it? Simple, they know it will sell so why not patch it out and lets not waste time taking the genre in a more advanced direction, we have reached the bench-mark with GTA3 so lets put out feet up and watch the people flock back for more as we patch out a new version every year!
Its the same with the Getaway as well! I remember reading about that game in 2000 and thinking how amazing it was going to be, its not even as good as GTA3 which is a year old! What did the do? They spent too much time on re-creating London and avoided vital gameplay elemnts which should be in there. PS2 games are hyped so much and 9/10 times it turns out totally the opposite to what you expect. I suppose if Wookie is reading this he is going to jump in and tell me otherwise, but that doesn't change the way I feel about the PS2. A waste of my £289 (bar GTA3 which I own on the PC now) I can tell you that for nothing! The console isn't rubbish but the majority of 3rd party games are!
I don't want the Xbox and GameCube to turn out like that and therefore I think sales need to be sacrificed to avoid this otherwise we will all end up playing Disney Swimming instead of classics like Resident Evil and Splinter Cell! Maybe I aren't in a position to make such a decision but with a quick glance at the release list for the Xbox and GameCube I think they chose to make that decision as well and there is no-one more relieved than me about this!
El Blokey wrote:
> Bah. READ THE THREEEEEEEEAD.
I did, what else do you want me to say?
> Bah. READ THE THREEEEEEEEAD.
I did, what else do you want me to say?
El Blokey wrote:
>
> Sports is probably most important,
Rubbish, sports games aren't the most important games on consoles, none of the 'big games' since..well, ever have been sports games. FIFA games sell lots, but they're also multi-format and a new one is released every year.
>
> I don't think the GCN has ANY exclusive FPSs.
Die hard, and Metroid Prime, which was rated above Halo and..well, every other game at the moment.
>All the consoles have enticing exclusives.
If that was true, why don't I want a Playstation? And..
> The PS2 has PES2, an unrivalled football sim. It has Ratchet and
> Clank, a brilliant platformer. It has GTA, a brilliant game. Et
> cetera, et cetera.
..I can get GTA3 and VC on the PC, and Pro Evo II is being released on the Gamecube this year.
>
> Sports is probably most important,
Rubbish, sports games aren't the most important games on consoles, none of the 'big games' since..well, ever have been sports games. FIFA games sell lots, but they're also multi-format and a new one is released every year.
>
> I don't think the GCN has ANY exclusive FPSs.
Die hard, and Metroid Prime, which was rated above Halo and..well, every other game at the moment.
>All the consoles have enticing exclusives.
If that was true, why don't I want a Playstation? And..
> The PS2 has PES2, an unrivalled football sim. It has Ratchet and
> Clank, a brilliant platformer. It has GTA, a brilliant game. Et
> cetera, et cetera.
..I can get GTA3 and VC on the PC, and Pro Evo II is being released on the Gamecube this year.
Not caring about the Pal region?
Ah, now THERE'S a valid point.
Yes, releases are slow and prices are high (but then Sony and MS are even worse when it comes to pricing - atleast Nintendo made the hardware cheaper in the cross over the atlantic.) but it's still a lot better than it used to be.
Besides, although the PS2 tends to get quicker Pal ports, some of those conversions are done pretty poorly...
Ah, now THERE'S a valid point.
Yes, releases are slow and prices are high (but then Sony and MS are even worse when it comes to pricing - atleast Nintendo made the hardware cheaper in the cross over the atlantic.) but it's still a lot better than it used to be.
Besides, although the PS2 tends to get quicker Pal ports, some of those conversions are done pretty poorly...
El Blokey wrote:
> the Gameboy Advance is probably the nearest challenger.
Are you sure? I'd have kinda said that backwards... the PS2 is the nearest challenger to the GBA, that's more right.
> the Gameboy Advance is probably the nearest challenger.
Are you sure? I'd have kinda said that backwards... the PS2 is the nearest challenger to the GBA, that's more right.
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