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There's no disputing the fact that the XBOX and GCN have lost the race. They'd probably lost it before the thing had even started. The Dreamcast died out due to sheer anticipation of the PS2, the universally recognised brand, the machine that makes games trendy and cool...in fact, the Gameboy Advance is probably the nearest challenger. Microsoft seem to be desperate not to fail, clutching at pack-in deals for less than £200, and splashing out on companies like Rare that seem to have lost a little of their pull...but despite the neediness that is exhuded by the XBOX, it's attractive pricing and killer apps such as Halo, along with the enticing option of Xbox Live, have seen it overtake the GC. Many gamers are upset, seeing Nintendo as the only lasting original company after the demise of consoles from the likes of 3DO and Sega...but do Nintendo deserve to falter? Sega have had a comeback of Alan Partridge proportions after going software-only, would it benefit Nintendo?
The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo, and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But what of Europe? It's no secret that Nintendo still don't regard the East of 'the West' as a main priority, concentrating more on home and America, traditionally the biggest electronics-buying countries. Here we won't be getting Zelda for a fair few months, and that's not just a single sob story to try and convince you. Metroid Prime is slowly chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a go on the Gamecube. It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't be here for half a year...in fact, the only people it really helps are the exact types Nintendo are strictly opposed to: Sony and Microsoft, who ply customers with classics instantly available, and importers and chippers, who provide the means for European gamers to get the games when they should.
So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD, really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped into TBC land. Let's look at the alternatives - right now you could go out and buy a Playstation 2. For games, you could buy GTA:Vice City or Pro Evolution 2; both leaders in their respective fields. If you opted for an XBOX, you'd be given the choice of Halo (the best console FPS ever), Jet Set Radio Future (a sleeper hit) and Splinter Cell, the critically acclaimed challenger to MGS which won't come out on the other consoles for a few months, IF Microsoft don't lock it down for exclusive rights. The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best platformer of the year), Super Monkey Ball (in which you roll monkeys around in balls) and Eternal Darkness, which seems to have no choice but to limp into shopping trolleys through word of mouth due to criminal under-exposure from Nintendo. And then Resident Evil, the inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1 for around a tenner.
Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the Gamecube. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad system - it has the quality. But the makers seem to be determined to fail. Take the Panasonic Q, a Gamecube with multi-region DVD player capabilities. Do Nintendo license it for America and Europe? Nope. And they don't seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not sounding mature. Having a purple console doesn't help either. No matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this, they're not going very far.
Then the Game Boy Advance. Here Nintendo started off quite well - complete backwards compatibility creating an almost infinite library of games, tonnes of great updates of old classics like Doom and Super Mario World, audacious ports from more complex games such as Medal of Honour and SSX Tricky, and more of those new Nintendo must-buys like Metroid Fusion. It's even compatible with everything, due to no regional lock-out! Unfortunately, nobody bothered to mention the dark screen which has been the butt of an untold amount of jokes. It's taken independent companies to do what everyone has wanted Nintendo to do, and that's give the GBA a backlit screen...and when everyone's excited about this new piece of handheld hardware, it turns out they recycle a SNES idea and create a GBA player for the GCN.
At almost every turn, Nintendo seem determined to show everyone how bad they can be. Be it neglecting an important market, almost not bothering to release games in certain areas, not doing enough about their image, and I haven't even touched on Nintendo's reluctance to move into the lucrative online avenue. With the Microsoft/Rare deal Nintendo won't be going bankrupt anytime soon, and with Pikmin 2 and Mario 128 said to be in 'the future' and the likes of Metroid Prime and Zelda:TWW yet to come, there's lots of good gaming to be had there. But should Nintendo be left behind by the Xbox? I think so. Here's hoping they try harder next time round...it'd be terrible to see another giant fall.
Thanks for reading, your thoughts are appreciated.
-El Blokey
The big issue really is where you are. Japan is the home of Nintendo, and they get everything first. In fact, they're enjoying Zelda right now, along with a pair of bonus discs for pre-ordering customers. But what of Europe? It's no secret that Nintendo still don't regard the East of 'the West' as a main priority, concentrating more on home and America, traditionally the biggest electronics-buying countries. Here we won't be getting Zelda for a fair few months, and that's not just a single sob story to try and convince you. Metroid Prime is slowly chugging its way to release, despite most Americans having bought it and seen all three endings (and not because it's short, either). Think back to the release of the console itsself - we were the last to get a go on the Gamecube. It really hurts Nintendo's image when they build up big games such as Mario Sunshine, and then announce that it won't be here for half a year...in fact, the only people it really helps are the exact types Nintendo are strictly opposed to: Sony and Microsoft, who ply customers with classics instantly available, and importers and chippers, who provide the means for European gamers to get the games when they should.
So what does this all mean for Joe Public? Well, the most sought after Gamecube accessory isn't the Wavebird (again, released here long after the Japanese and Americans got their hands on it), but the Freeloader disc, which is nothing more than a modchip on a dinky DVD, really...although the ironic thing is, its release date has slipped into TBC land. Let's look at the alternatives - right now you could go out and buy a Playstation 2. For games, you could buy GTA:Vice City or Pro Evolution 2; both leaders in their respective fields. If you opted for an XBOX, you'd be given the choice of Halo (the best console FPS ever), Jet Set Radio Future (a sleeper hit) and Splinter Cell, the critically acclaimed challenger to MGS which won't come out on the other consoles for a few months, IF Microsoft don't lock it down for exclusive rights. The Gamecube's best games are usually cited as Mario Sunshine (which, despite many being dissapointed, is probably the best platformer of the year), Super Monkey Ball (in which you roll monkeys around in balls) and Eternal Darkness, which seems to have no choice but to limp into shopping trolleys through word of mouth due to criminal under-exposure from Nintendo. And then Resident Evil, the inexplicably popular game, is available with worse graphics on the PS1 for around a tenner.
Not bad, but then when you ask someone if they'd rather play football and kill people, shoot aliens, skate around and save the world or bounce around, negotiate mazes and stay sane they'll probably snub the Gamecube. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad system - it has the quality. But the makers seem to be determined to fail. Take the Panasonic Q, a Gamecube with multi-region DVD player capabilities. Do Nintendo license it for America and Europe? Nope. And they don't seem that bothered about their kiddie image either. You can have all the Resi adverts you like, when your main franchises involve a fat plumber, monkeys and a young man wearing a green tunic, you're not sounding mature. Having a purple console doesn't help either. No matter what people say about the content counting, people are put off by having a child's toy when they could have a cool PS2 or big bad Xbox...and Nintendo need to figure out that until they change this, they're not going very far.
Then the Game Boy Advance. Here Nintendo started off quite well - complete backwards compatibility creating an almost infinite library of games, tonnes of great updates of old classics like Doom and Super Mario World, audacious ports from more complex games such as Medal of Honour and SSX Tricky, and more of those new Nintendo must-buys like Metroid Fusion. It's even compatible with everything, due to no regional lock-out! Unfortunately, nobody bothered to mention the dark screen which has been the butt of an untold amount of jokes. It's taken independent companies to do what everyone has wanted Nintendo to do, and that's give the GBA a backlit screen...and when everyone's excited about this new piece of handheld hardware, it turns out they recycle a SNES idea and create a GBA player for the GCN.
At almost every turn, Nintendo seem determined to show everyone how bad they can be. Be it neglecting an important market, almost not bothering to release games in certain areas, not doing enough about their image, and I haven't even touched on Nintendo's reluctance to move into the lucrative online avenue. With the Microsoft/Rare deal Nintendo won't be going bankrupt anytime soon, and with Pikmin 2 and Mario 128 said to be in 'the future' and the likes of Metroid Prime and Zelda:TWW yet to come, there's lots of good gaming to be had there. But should Nintendo be left behind by the Xbox? I think so. Here's hoping they try harder next time round...it'd be terrible to see another giant fall.
Thanks for reading, your thoughts are appreciated.
-El Blokey
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But Wookie you can't dispute that people will buy a PS2 because friends have it. Whether or not because it is 'cool' is debatable, but because the PS2 has such a large user base, then when someone goes round a mates house and plays some games, chances are (assuming they play a console of this generation) it'll be a PS2. These people may not be 'hardcore' (for lack of a better word) gamers who know the best titles on all machines, so after playing their mates PS2, they'll be much more likely to buy a PS2 if they want a console, because they will have played some games on it that they enjoyed, but not experienced the other consoles. That's not saying the PS2 only sells because it is 'cool', and neither is it saying the PS2 has no good games. It obvously does or it would not sell so well. But to be honest, if any console is so far ahead in sales as the PS2 this will generate more sales, as it is the most popular. It's the one more people will experience round a mates house and have fun with.
Take the example of Goldeneye. Some say that game saved the N64. Why? Not just because it was a great game. It was a great game that had an awesome multiplayer. If you had an N64 with 4 controllers, you got three mates round and had possibly the best multiplayer experience you'd ever had. And then your mates wanted an N64 simply for Goldeneye and its multiplayer. Goldeneye sold so well (and sold a large number of N64s too) because so many people experienced it with friends and then wanted it.
Oh, and Whitestripes is right. There are no bad GameCube games. I'm getting that Universal Studios game as soon as possible. It's a classic. It even encourages eco-friendly behaviour. ;-)
Take the example of Goldeneye. Some say that game saved the N64. Why? Not just because it was a great game. It was a great game that had an awesome multiplayer. If you had an N64 with 4 controllers, you got three mates round and had possibly the best multiplayer experience you'd ever had. And then your mates wanted an N64 simply for Goldeneye and its multiplayer. Goldeneye sold so well (and sold a large number of N64s too) because so many people experienced it with friends and then wanted it.
Oh, and Whitestripes is right. There are no bad GameCube games. I'm getting that Universal Studios game as soon as possible. It's a classic. It even encourages eco-friendly behaviour. ;-)
Thats rubbish Wookie
The GC has no bad games
Take Universal Studios for example, everyone thinks it's crap but really it's a undiscovered gem! It's a fantastic game. Nothing on the PS2 or XBox can compare to walking slowly round a virtual recreation of a real place and picking up litter.
Fool.
The GC has no bad games
Take Universal Studios for example, everyone thinks it's crap but really it's a undiscovered gem! It's a fantastic game. Nothing on the PS2 or XBox can compare to walking slowly round a virtual recreation of a real place and picking up litter.
Fool.
ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> I suppose if Wookie is reading this he is going to jump in and tell me otherwise
You're entitled to your opinion. I won't say you're wrong, but some of your reasons for that opinion are - to me - flawed.
I currently have 3 games for my Gamecube, and recently sold one on eBay. Total 4 games owned since launch - everything on the machine that, for me, is worth having.
I have 5 games for my Xbox, and again sold one on eBay. Total 6 games owned - again, everything that I think is worth having on the machine.
PS2 - currently have 12 games. Recently sold 8 on eBay, and have traded in many in the past. I know PS2 has been out far longer, so obviously I'll have had more games. But for me personally, there are simply more games I like on the machine. It offers me a bigger choice of practically every genre, with quality ranging from outstanding to mediocre in each.
Granted, there's a lot of rubbish around on PS2 - I would never deny that - but as with anything popular, that is the price you pay. As long as you can read reviews, though, you need never buy a poor game. I can say with complete honesty that I have only ever bought one game I didn't like, and that was on PS1. To suggest that PS2 only has 2 or 3 good games out every year is, quite frankly, nonsense. Because games don't appeal, doesn't make them poor games.
As for sales - PS2 doesn't continue to sell because it's 'cool' or because the buyers are mindless fools; it continues to sell because it has a wide choice of quality games that appeal to many people. You traded yours in because you weren't happy with the games - that's fair enough. But you should at least credit others with the sense to do the same. If they didn't think it's good enough, they'd do what you did - but not many are, are they?
I also doubt that people had PS2s for Xmas just because their mates have one and they wanted to join the 'cool' gang. More likely they played a friends, enjoyed it, and wanted their own. There's a heck of a difference.
The claim that "I don't want my console to be that popular because it means crap games" is just novel way of admitting defeat and settling for the proverbial 'second place'. Before launch, everyone was full of how Xbox and Gamecube were going to crush PS2 and become extremely popular.
Now that hasn't happened, and isn't likely to happen, it's reverted to "well, I don't want my machine to be that popular anyway". It's admitting you were wrong, without actually saying the words. It's not much different to Alex Ferguson when ManYoo lose a game - it's always because of some creative reason, and never because the other team actually played a better game.
Even though some will never admit it, there *are* a number of bad games on GC and Xbox. PS2 has more, yes - but that's simply because of (a) the massive selection available, and (b) the amount of time it's been around. The number on the other platforms *will* grow as time passes.
If people are happy to live with a limited selection of games because they have a misguided belief that it ensures quality, then "more fool them" is all I can say.
However, over all, crap games are irrelevant - we all read reviews, and if a game is bad or unappealing, we don't buy it. Simple. The PC has more crap games than any other format, but that's conveniently never mentioned. More people own PCs than *any* console, yet no-one ever says "I don't want my console to be as popular as the PC" do they?
And I must point out that I'm saying this as I see it, not as a pro-PS2 or anti-GC/Xbox. I lean more towards the PS2, sure - but I like all the machines. If I had to keep just one, it would be PS2 - but not because it's popular or 'cool' - just because it gives me the games I want.
And as hard as it may be for some to accept, I believe many people feel the same, and that's why PS2 has been - and remains - so successful.
> I suppose if Wookie is reading this he is going to jump in and tell me otherwise
You're entitled to your opinion. I won't say you're wrong, but some of your reasons for that opinion are - to me - flawed.
I currently have 3 games for my Gamecube, and recently sold one on eBay. Total 4 games owned since launch - everything on the machine that, for me, is worth having.
I have 5 games for my Xbox, and again sold one on eBay. Total 6 games owned - again, everything that I think is worth having on the machine.
PS2 - currently have 12 games. Recently sold 8 on eBay, and have traded in many in the past. I know PS2 has been out far longer, so obviously I'll have had more games. But for me personally, there are simply more games I like on the machine. It offers me a bigger choice of practically every genre, with quality ranging from outstanding to mediocre in each.
Granted, there's a lot of rubbish around on PS2 - I would never deny that - but as with anything popular, that is the price you pay. As long as you can read reviews, though, you need never buy a poor game. I can say with complete honesty that I have only ever bought one game I didn't like, and that was on PS1. To suggest that PS2 only has 2 or 3 good games out every year is, quite frankly, nonsense. Because games don't appeal, doesn't make them poor games.
As for sales - PS2 doesn't continue to sell because it's 'cool' or because the buyers are mindless fools; it continues to sell because it has a wide choice of quality games that appeal to many people. You traded yours in because you weren't happy with the games - that's fair enough. But you should at least credit others with the sense to do the same. If they didn't think it's good enough, they'd do what you did - but not many are, are they?
I also doubt that people had PS2s for Xmas just because their mates have one and they wanted to join the 'cool' gang. More likely they played a friends, enjoyed it, and wanted their own. There's a heck of a difference.
The claim that "I don't want my console to be that popular because it means crap games" is just novel way of admitting defeat and settling for the proverbial 'second place'. Before launch, everyone was full of how Xbox and Gamecube were going to crush PS2 and become extremely popular.
Now that hasn't happened, and isn't likely to happen, it's reverted to "well, I don't want my machine to be that popular anyway". It's admitting you were wrong, without actually saying the words. It's not much different to Alex Ferguson when ManYoo lose a game - it's always because of some creative reason, and never because the other team actually played a better game.
Even though some will never admit it, there *are* a number of bad games on GC and Xbox. PS2 has more, yes - but that's simply because of (a) the massive selection available, and (b) the amount of time it's been around. The number on the other platforms *will* grow as time passes.
If people are happy to live with a limited selection of games because they have a misguided belief that it ensures quality, then "more fool them" is all I can say.
However, over all, crap games are irrelevant - we all read reviews, and if a game is bad or unappealing, we don't buy it. Simple. The PC has more crap games than any other format, but that's conveniently never mentioned. More people own PCs than *any* console, yet no-one ever says "I don't want my console to be as popular as the PC" do they?
And I must point out that I'm saying this as I see it, not as a pro-PS2 or anti-GC/Xbox. I lean more towards the PS2, sure - but I like all the machines. If I had to keep just one, it would be PS2 - but not because it's popular or 'cool' - just because it gives me the games I want.
And as hard as it may be for some to accept, I believe many people feel the same, and that's why PS2 has been - and remains - so successful.
I think that most people have missed El Blokeys point.
He didn't say that the PS2 is cooler than the Xbox/GC, it's just that's the way that the average consumer sees things - the fact that the PS2's pre-christmas sales were tripple that of the combined sales of the Xbox and Gamecube pretty much prove it.
WE know that the Gamecube and Xbox have great games, but you know how it is - everyone plays GTA3/VC round their mates and wants it for themselves...
It's a neat game - gives you freedom and great gameplay gimmicks but is also trendy with it's "adult" theme.
Now personally, I think that it's stupid that the PS2 is outselling it's competitors by such large amounts - I personally think it's the weakest of the three - but it is because it's trendy, it's well advertised, everyone has one and the Gamecube and Xbox will never catch up with it's sales.
Although I think its blistering success is a little out of hand, there are bright sides to it - if the PS2 hadn't trounced the Xbox back in March/April, MS wouldn't have cut their machine to 200, sparking a small price war - Sony cutting to 200 and Nintendo cutting to 130.
Competition is healthy but this Sony domination is a bit too far.
Still, Sony aren't abusing their power like Nintendo did, or like MS (from their PC market reputation) would, so it could be worse...
He didn't say that the PS2 is cooler than the Xbox/GC, it's just that's the way that the average consumer sees things - the fact that the PS2's pre-christmas sales were tripple that of the combined sales of the Xbox and Gamecube pretty much prove it.
WE know that the Gamecube and Xbox have great games, but you know how it is - everyone plays GTA3/VC round their mates and wants it for themselves...
It's a neat game - gives you freedom and great gameplay gimmicks but is also trendy with it's "adult" theme.
Now personally, I think that it's stupid that the PS2 is outselling it's competitors by such large amounts - I personally think it's the weakest of the three - but it is because it's trendy, it's well advertised, everyone has one and the Gamecube and Xbox will never catch up with it's sales.
Although I think its blistering success is a little out of hand, there are bright sides to it - if the PS2 hadn't trounced the Xbox back in March/April, MS wouldn't have cut their machine to 200, sparking a small price war - Sony cutting to 200 and Nintendo cutting to 130.
Competition is healthy but this Sony domination is a bit too far.
Still, Sony aren't abusing their power like Nintendo did, or like MS (from their PC market reputation) would, so it could be worse...
How long has it been? For as long as I can remember Nintendo have failed Europe with late releases any delay upon delay. From the days of the SNES they've insisted on shutting down companies that try to give us imports via converters and we've had to rely on overseas companies for games that we want at the same time as the US or Japan.
It's sickening.
The trouble is, we love it. We love the fact that Nintendo **** us over even though we resent anyone taking the **** of of them. Why is that? Why haven't I bought a PS2 or X-BOX? Why have I stuck with Nintendo through thick and thin when all they seem to do is alienate us in Europe?
Nintendo have already succumbed to the might of Sony and only an idiot would say otherwise. So why? Why do I take the criticism but fiercely defend N whenever anyone has a bad thing to say about them?
Maybe it's because of the games, maybe it's because I can still remember the magical feeling when I first played a Mario game or maybe I'm still trying to find that feeling. Or maybe I'm denying the fact that Nintendo have "lost their way". Everything they seem to do is wrong these days even though this is the biggest attempt to get back into the console market that we've witnessed. They still make me angry with the superior attitude they seem to possess over everything.
Nintendo is like James Bond - he's been around the block a few times and we all know what we'll get but the real usurper who has stolen the crown is Vin Diesel in XXX (Sony) who walted in and did everything differently but impressed people much more with the "cool" image they project. Not the greatest of metaphors but it will suffice.
Sometimes I wish Sony had never released the PS and sometimes I wish Nintendo shouldn't have been so confident of their lofty position in the console world. They should look at the mistakes made by Sega and try to learn from them. I'm unhappy with Nintendo and I've got a feeling that if things don't improve, the GC will be the last Nintendo console I'll own. And this is coming from a lifelong fan of Nintendo from the sublime days of the NES.
Do Nintendo deserve failure? Possibly not - at the height of their power during the late 80's they were selling 3 games EVERY SECOND in America. So how did it come to this? How indeed?
*puts his head in his hands and weeps uncontrollably*
It's sickening.
The trouble is, we love it. We love the fact that Nintendo **** us over even though we resent anyone taking the **** of of them. Why is that? Why haven't I bought a PS2 or X-BOX? Why have I stuck with Nintendo through thick and thin when all they seem to do is alienate us in Europe?
Nintendo have already succumbed to the might of Sony and only an idiot would say otherwise. So why? Why do I take the criticism but fiercely defend N whenever anyone has a bad thing to say about them?
Maybe it's because of the games, maybe it's because I can still remember the magical feeling when I first played a Mario game or maybe I'm still trying to find that feeling. Or maybe I'm denying the fact that Nintendo have "lost their way". Everything they seem to do is wrong these days even though this is the biggest attempt to get back into the console market that we've witnessed. They still make me angry with the superior attitude they seem to possess over everything.
Nintendo is like James Bond - he's been around the block a few times and we all know what we'll get but the real usurper who has stolen the crown is Vin Diesel in XXX (Sony) who walted in and did everything differently but impressed people much more with the "cool" image they project. Not the greatest of metaphors but it will suffice.
Sometimes I wish Sony had never released the PS and sometimes I wish Nintendo shouldn't have been so confident of their lofty position in the console world. They should look at the mistakes made by Sega and try to learn from them. I'm unhappy with Nintendo and I've got a feeling that if things don't improve, the GC will be the last Nintendo console I'll own. And this is coming from a lifelong fan of Nintendo from the sublime days of the NES.
Do Nintendo deserve failure? Possibly not - at the height of their power during the late 80's they were selling 3 games EVERY SECOND in America. So how did it come to this? How indeed?
*puts his head in his hands and weeps uncontrollably*
Read that bit again. I was showing how stupid the argument could get.
El Blokey wrote:
> Well, don't you find it the slightest bit anti-climatic that this
> revolutionary game is just more of the same, with a water pistol? If
> you want to start mud-slinging this can go downhill very fast.
Look you moron, unless you want to start a huge argument I suggest you stop writting crap.
Whats Vice City huh? It GTA3 in a different city with a helicopter. Oh the god damn excitement of it.
Whats Red Faction 2? More of the same with..err..nothing added.
Whats every Final Fantasy game? The same as the one before in a different world.
Whats Pro Evo 2? Pro Evo 1 with better graphics and updated teams.
Whats Halo? The same as any other FPS but in a different world with different weapons.
Games DO NOT CHANGE at all. They all have the same substance as every other game in their genre, some just do it better.
It's the small things that count, Mario Kart and Project Gotham Racing would be the same as any other racing game, but because of small things like much better handling, good circuit design etc they become something special. There is nothing new in Project Gotham or Mario Kart 64, but it doens't mean they arne't some of the best games around.
If you dare to put Sunshine aside as Mario 64 with a water pistol, or as other morons like Savatt put, Mario 64 with muck, then you don't deserve to play such games anyway.
> Well, don't you find it the slightest bit anti-climatic that this
> revolutionary game is just more of the same, with a water pistol? If
> you want to start mud-slinging this can go downhill very fast.
Look you moron, unless you want to start a huge argument I suggest you stop writting crap.
Whats Vice City huh? It GTA3 in a different city with a helicopter. Oh the god damn excitement of it.
Whats Red Faction 2? More of the same with..err..nothing added.
Whats every Final Fantasy game? The same as the one before in a different world.
Whats Pro Evo 2? Pro Evo 1 with better graphics and updated teams.
Whats Halo? The same as any other FPS but in a different world with different weapons.
Games DO NOT CHANGE at all. They all have the same substance as every other game in their genre, some just do it better.
It's the small things that count, Mario Kart and Project Gotham Racing would be the same as any other racing game, but because of small things like much better handling, good circuit design etc they become something special. There is nothing new in Project Gotham or Mario Kart 64, but it doens't mean they arne't some of the best games around.
If you dare to put Sunshine aside as Mario 64 with a water pistol, or as other morons like Savatt put, Mario 64 with muck, then you don't deserve to play such games anyway.
Whitestripes wrote:
> Well considering the PS2 is very poorly made and breaks down a lot,
> I'm going to say it's not a valid argument, hence the Gamecube and
> XBox are a roaring success.
What, the PS2 isn't a valid argument? What does that mean?
> Well considering the PS2 is very poorly made and breaks down a lot,
> I'm going to say it's not a valid argument, hence the Gamecube and
> XBox are a roaring success.
What, the PS2 isn't a valid argument? What does that mean?
gamezfreak wrote:
> What race? Just because the consoles are'nt at the number 1 spot
> does'nt actually make them bad you know.
I'm not saying they're bad, I'm saying that the PS2 is so far ahead in sales that the Gamecube and XBOX have already lost the race.
> So what you are saying is The PS2 is trendy and "cool" So
> why is that quite alot of people own other consoles? Does that make
> them "not cool"? Yes the Gameboy Advance is a great little
> beast of a handheld, Same as the Xbox and Gamecube.
You're not making any sense here. Saying something's cool doesn't mean the GC and XBOX suck lolol dood, it means it's got the reputation stemming back from the PSX's launch.
> All companys are "desparate" not to fail, Its called
> Marketing. And Microsoft saw Rare up for sale, What else was they
> going to do? The Xbox and Gamecube has had by far more "Killer
> Apps" then the PS2 has ever had in its two year lifetime. Ok,
> yes, The Xbox has overtaken the Gamecube, But who gives a testicle
> about sales?
No. Advertising is advertising, slashing prices a few months after launch, giving away four great games free for no added cost is desperate. And have you read any of my other replies? The PS2 has plenty of killer apps.
> In case you did'nt notice, Japan and America get games before us. It
> always has been like that mate :)
Yes, but now the other companies are starting to fall into shape. Many games are developed in English speaking countries, some even here. But Nintendo always seem to delay everything longer.
> We was the last to get GTA3, PS2 and Xbox, Its exactly the same to
> what I said above.
Yes, but we got them before Luigi's Mansion and the GC. And we probably got them over from America quicker than the GC came across the sea.
> Mario Sunshine was destined to be a classic from the start, Many
> people who grew up with Mario purchased a Gamecube and patiently
> waited for a release, Nobody wants such an excellent game to be a rush
> job, thats why it took some time. Unlike some Console Developers
> *Ahem*
Well, don't you find it the slightest bit anti-climatic that this revolutionary game is just more of the same, with a water pistol? If you want to start mud-slinging this can go downhill very fast.
> Yes the Freeloader ordeal is dissapointing, But it is'nt my "Most
> sought after accessory" In fact i'm looking forward to the
> Gameboy Advance Player. Freeloader is an excellent idea in my opinion,
> and there is no means to criticise it.
Freeloader is piracy, it's amazing nobody bats an eyelid really. I don't know why Nintendo et al bother with lockout, as people import from elsewhere anyway, so getting the buyers to do so shouldn't be all that different.
> Thats the most lamest comment. Ever.
It's true. Same could be said of XBOX's Crazy Taxi 3, and Crazy Taxi 1 on the DC.
> Same as above, The Nintendo is "kiddy" joke is kinda old and
> makes you ironiccly immature about it.
The whole friggin' point is that it's not a joke, it's Nintendo's image it sends out to your average person.
> Nintendo nor Microsoft will never fail in this console war, And I feel
> prod to be XB-Nintyfied, Forever.
I assume you don't mean with sales against the PS2, because I don't think they match it even when combined.
> What race? Just because the consoles are'nt at the number 1 spot
> does'nt actually make them bad you know.
I'm not saying they're bad, I'm saying that the PS2 is so far ahead in sales that the Gamecube and XBOX have already lost the race.
> So what you are saying is The PS2 is trendy and "cool" So
> why is that quite alot of people own other consoles? Does that make
> them "not cool"? Yes the Gameboy Advance is a great little
> beast of a handheld, Same as the Xbox and Gamecube.
You're not making any sense here. Saying something's cool doesn't mean the GC and XBOX suck lolol dood, it means it's got the reputation stemming back from the PSX's launch.
> All companys are "desparate" not to fail, Its called
> Marketing. And Microsoft saw Rare up for sale, What else was they
> going to do? The Xbox and Gamecube has had by far more "Killer
> Apps" then the PS2 has ever had in its two year lifetime. Ok,
> yes, The Xbox has overtaken the Gamecube, But who gives a testicle
> about sales?
No. Advertising is advertising, slashing prices a few months after launch, giving away four great games free for no added cost is desperate. And have you read any of my other replies? The PS2 has plenty of killer apps.
> In case you did'nt notice, Japan and America get games before us. It
> always has been like that mate :)
Yes, but now the other companies are starting to fall into shape. Many games are developed in English speaking countries, some even here. But Nintendo always seem to delay everything longer.
> We was the last to get GTA3, PS2 and Xbox, Its exactly the same to
> what I said above.
Yes, but we got them before Luigi's Mansion and the GC. And we probably got them over from America quicker than the GC came across the sea.
> Mario Sunshine was destined to be a classic from the start, Many
> people who grew up with Mario purchased a Gamecube and patiently
> waited for a release, Nobody wants such an excellent game to be a rush
> job, thats why it took some time. Unlike some Console Developers
> *Ahem*
Well, don't you find it the slightest bit anti-climatic that this revolutionary game is just more of the same, with a water pistol? If you want to start mud-slinging this can go downhill very fast.
> Yes the Freeloader ordeal is dissapointing, But it is'nt my "Most
> sought after accessory" In fact i'm looking forward to the
> Gameboy Advance Player. Freeloader is an excellent idea in my opinion,
> and there is no means to criticise it.
Freeloader is piracy, it's amazing nobody bats an eyelid really. I don't know why Nintendo et al bother with lockout, as people import from elsewhere anyway, so getting the buyers to do so shouldn't be all that different.
> Thats the most lamest comment. Ever.
It's true. Same could be said of XBOX's Crazy Taxi 3, and Crazy Taxi 1 on the DC.
> Same as above, The Nintendo is "kiddy" joke is kinda old and
> makes you ironiccly immature about it.
The whole friggin' point is that it's not a joke, it's Nintendo's image it sends out to your average person.
> Nintendo nor Microsoft will never fail in this console war, And I feel
> prod to be XB-Nintyfied, Forever.
I assume you don't mean with sales against the PS2, because I don't think they match it even when combined.
El Blokey wrote:
> Let's toss a few more things into the pot:
>
> Most people have PCs, but not many have tooled up ones for gaming.
> Even less have enough drivers to run the glitched, buggy code that is
> GTA3 for PC. So really, unless you're just speaking for yourself
> saying it'll come out on the PC isn't a valid argument.
Well considering the PS2 is very poorly made and breaks down a lot, I'm going to say it's not a valid argument, hence the Gamecube and XBox are a roaring success.
> Let's toss a few more things into the pot:
>
> Most people have PCs, but not many have tooled up ones for gaming.
> Even less have enough drivers to run the glitched, buggy code that is
> GTA3 for PC. So really, unless you're just speaking for yourself
> saying it'll come out on the PC isn't a valid argument.
Well considering the PS2 is very poorly made and breaks down a lot, I'm going to say it's not a valid argument, hence the Gamecube and XBox are a roaring success.
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