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Recently there has been a sharp rise in the amount of missiles & projectiles thrown onto the pitch. Before the Arsenal v Liverpool game, we saw Les Ferdinand nearly hit by a bottle in the Worthington Cup game against Chelsea, and it's happened numerous times before that as well.
I'm a Liverpool supporter, but I did think the ref was right to send off Jamie Carragher.
But, & pardon the pun, this debate is a two sided coin.
Side 1: His (well paid) job is to play football, if a teacher lashed out at a badly behaved pupil what would happen to the teacher, suspension? The sack? Possibly even prison?
Part of a footballers money is to show discipline & restraint, whether it be items thrown or racial abuse etc, so any physical action (like Eric Cantona) is totally wrong.
Liverpool could have gone on to win the match with 11 players v 9 players, who knows (although they wouldn't have deserved it.)
Jamie knows he was wrong, and has since apologised to players, fans, etc, but most of all, he let himself down in the heat of the moment.
Side 2: We shouldn't be so quick to judge people, because for anyone who has seen live football or just on t.v, all players get a hell of a lot stick from rival (so called) supporters, so many of us, in his shoes (boots) might have reacted in the same way.
Footballers are there to provide entertainment, and should feel safe in their workplace, without the constant threat of serious injury (i.e blindness) from a moron who throws items onto the playing area.
Clubs need to take swift & harsh action against any guilty hooligans, so the problem is sorted out before someone gets hurt. Maybe even impose fines on clubs or deduct them league points if any of their fans are guilty of missile throwing.
What if one day, God forbid, a player is blinded by a coin or knocked unconscious by a bottle? It could have far reaching implications for football. Players could go on strike until better safety features, such as plastic screens are implemented into stadiums.
Perhaps clubs could introduce/encourage a scheme where-by fans can report violent or excessively abusive fans.
Like every other football fan, I shout at the t.v when my team doesn't perform, but if i was in the stadium, I would never contemplate throwing things at players and it's a shame that some people think that this is acceptable behaviour.
I'm sure that many footballers have wanted to do what Jamie did for all the times they have suffered in similar incidents, but have managed to control their behaviour. It was only a matter of time till a player reacted in this way.
So, Carragher is guilty, but the coin-throwing idiots should take the majority of the blame.
I'd like to hear other people's (unbiased) views on the issue.
Thanks.
I'm a Liverpool supporter, but I did think the ref was right to send off Jamie Carragher.
But, & pardon the pun, this debate is a two sided coin.
Side 1: His (well paid) job is to play football, if a teacher lashed out at a badly behaved pupil what would happen to the teacher, suspension? The sack? Possibly even prison?
Part of a footballers money is to show discipline & restraint, whether it be items thrown or racial abuse etc, so any physical action (like Eric Cantona) is totally wrong.
Liverpool could have gone on to win the match with 11 players v 9 players, who knows (although they wouldn't have deserved it.)
Jamie knows he was wrong, and has since apologised to players, fans, etc, but most of all, he let himself down in the heat of the moment.
Side 2: We shouldn't be so quick to judge people, because for anyone who has seen live football or just on t.v, all players get a hell of a lot stick from rival (so called) supporters, so many of us, in his shoes (boots) might have reacted in the same way.
Footballers are there to provide entertainment, and should feel safe in their workplace, without the constant threat of serious injury (i.e blindness) from a moron who throws items onto the playing area.
Clubs need to take swift & harsh action against any guilty hooligans, so the problem is sorted out before someone gets hurt. Maybe even impose fines on clubs or deduct them league points if any of their fans are guilty of missile throwing.
What if one day, God forbid, a player is blinded by a coin or knocked unconscious by a bottle? It could have far reaching implications for football. Players could go on strike until better safety features, such as plastic screens are implemented into stadiums.
Perhaps clubs could introduce/encourage a scheme where-by fans can report violent or excessively abusive fans.
Like every other football fan, I shout at the t.v when my team doesn't perform, but if i was in the stadium, I would never contemplate throwing things at players and it's a shame that some people think that this is acceptable behaviour.
I'm sure that many footballers have wanted to do what Jamie did for all the times they have suffered in similar incidents, but have managed to control their behaviour. It was only a matter of time till a player reacted in this way.
So, Carragher is guilty, but the coin-throwing idiots should take the majority of the blame.
I'd like to hear other people's (unbiased) views on the issue.
Thanks.
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What Carragher did was pretty stupid but I dont think he should have been sent off for it!!
Its not just the plonker in the crowd who could have been blinded with the coin being thrown back - Carragher could so easily have been so himself!!
Its not just the plonker in the crowd who could have been blinded with the coin being thrown back - Carragher could so easily have been so himself!!
Wenger has said some crap like Bergkamp was "trying to impress" with that challenge...what the hell is he talking about.
Clearly, Carragher should not have been sent off.
He was hit by a coin, and merely attempted to return that coin to the spectator who misplaced it. Far from being a villian, he exemplifies the attitude we should all take.
What a generous chappie.
It's not often you see a scouser give away money, you know....
He was hit by a coin, and merely attempted to return that coin to the spectator who misplaced it. Far from being a villian, he exemplifies the attitude we should all take.
What a generous chappie.
It's not often you see a scouser give away money, you know....
As an Arsenal fan (slightly biased) I think that the both Arsenal descisions could have gone either way as Wright would have probably gotton the ball first, and Bergkamp didn't contact the player.
But... I can see the refs point as well. Bergkamp was really high, and although I think he pulled out I think it was a dabgerous tackle and if someone went in on Henry like that I would be calling for a red. It could really hurt someone. Carragher had to go but I do sympathise. A friend of mine is a steward at Arsenal so I know how tough it can be but the moron who threw the coin should be punished.
On a side note if Keown went for being the last man what about Dudek's foul on Ljungberg at Anfield!!!
But... I can see the refs point as well. Bergkamp was really high, and although I think he pulled out I think it was a dabgerous tackle and if someone went in on Henry like that I would be calling for a red. It could really hurt someone. Carragher had to go but I do sympathise. A friend of mine is a steward at Arsenal so I know how tough it can be but the moron who threw the coin should be punished.
On a side note if Keown went for being the last man what about Dudek's foul on Ljungberg at Anfield!!!
As an Arsenal fan:
Regarding Keown:
He should have been yellow-carded only, as Richard Wright was easily going to clear the ball - hence Keown can't be considered the last man.
Regarding Bergkamp:
No way should he have walked. Yellow card maybe, but as has been stated, there was no contact. Carragher had slipped, and was almost doing the splits on the ground. i.e. he was not moving. If Bergamp had intended any harm, it would have been easy to cause some - but he didn't. Surprisingly, Heskey - who had been doing nothing but throwing his considerable weight around since the kick-off - made a similar two-footed lunge at Richard Wright, and *did* make contact - yet received no punishment.
Regarding Carragher:
For what he did, yes, the red card was warranted. I don't in any way condone the actions of the half-witted Arsenal "fan" who through the coin in the first place, but no player should ever react like that. How can you expect to get the "fans" to behave if the players don't? I know it's not easy in the heat of the moment, but they must keep cool.
On a slightly lighter note, he was bloody stupid to do that with the ref standing next to him anyway!
Although it will be hard, I hope that Arsenal do find those responsible and ban them from Highbury - and, of course, the new stadium.
Regarding Keown:
He should have been yellow-carded only, as Richard Wright was easily going to clear the ball - hence Keown can't be considered the last man.
Regarding Bergkamp:
No way should he have walked. Yellow card maybe, but as has been stated, there was no contact. Carragher had slipped, and was almost doing the splits on the ground. i.e. he was not moving. If Bergamp had intended any harm, it would have been easy to cause some - but he didn't. Surprisingly, Heskey - who had been doing nothing but throwing his considerable weight around since the kick-off - made a similar two-footed lunge at Richard Wright, and *did* make contact - yet received no punishment.
Regarding Carragher:
For what he did, yes, the red card was warranted. I don't in any way condone the actions of the half-witted Arsenal "fan" who through the coin in the first place, but no player should ever react like that. How can you expect to get the "fans" to behave if the players don't? I know it's not easy in the heat of the moment, but they must keep cool.
On a slightly lighter note, he was bloody stupid to do that with the ref standing next to him anyway!
Although it will be hard, I hope that Arsenal do find those responsible and ban them from Highbury - and, of course, the new stadium.
I think that it is definately a two sided debate.
My view is that footballs get enough abuse as it is and for him to react like that was a bit over the top, and was in the heat of the moment (as he said in his statement). I think he got what he deserved, a sending off!
But, maybe the ref could of had a word with Phil Thompson and asked him to substitute him, instead of sending him off. Maybe this would of been the right choice and the ref could of let the FA sort out the rest.
The ref could of reacted in several different ways to the incident, so really I don't know what the right decision would of been.
What I want to know is what Phil Thompson did with his hands when carragher was sent off. He kind of signaled to the ref that he was clenching someones balls! I'm sorry, but it didn't look very pleasant when I saw it on the telly! What do you think he was suggesting?
My view is that footballs get enough abuse as it is and for him to react like that was a bit over the top, and was in the heat of the moment (as he said in his statement). I think he got what he deserved, a sending off!
But, maybe the ref could of had a word with Phil Thompson and asked him to substitute him, instead of sending him off. Maybe this would of been the right choice and the ref could of let the FA sort out the rest.
The ref could of reacted in several different ways to the incident, so really I don't know what the right decision would of been.
What I want to know is what Phil Thompson did with his hands when carragher was sent off. He kind of signaled to the ref that he was clenching someones balls! I'm sorry, but it didn't look very pleasant when I saw it on the telly! What do you think he was suggesting?
i'm a gillingham and MAN UTD fan so i think i can be pretty unbiased here. in my opinion Carragher should not have been sent off. If the plonker hadn't thrown the coin on the pitch in the first place then there wouldn't have been anything for carragher to react to. sure throwing the coin back into the crowd was a silly thing to do but he shouldn't have been sent off for it. all the idiots now will see this on tv and think that if they throw a coin at the away teams player they'll react and get sent off earning their team an advantage. you can't blame carragher for doing what he did, it's a basic instinct, someone attacks you you attack back you don't just sit back and take it. so i don't think he should have been sent off no.
p.s i don't think bergkamp should have been either from the replays it looks as if he didn't make any contact at all with the player.
p.s i don't think bergkamp should have been either from the replays it looks as if he didn't make any contact at all with the player.
Recently there has been a sharp rise in the amount of missiles & projectiles thrown onto the pitch. Before the Arsenal v Liverpool game, we saw Les Ferdinand nearly hit by a bottle in the Worthington Cup game against Chelsea, and it's happened numerous times before that as well.
I'm a Liverpool supporter, but I did think the ref was right to send off Jamie Carragher.
But, & pardon the pun, this debate is a two sided coin.
Side 1: His (well paid) job is to play football, if a teacher lashed out at a badly behaved pupil what would happen to the teacher, suspension? The sack? Possibly even prison?
Part of a footballers money is to show discipline & restraint, whether it be items thrown or racial abuse etc, so any physical action (like Eric Cantona) is totally wrong.
Liverpool could have gone on to win the match with 11 players v 9 players, who knows (although they wouldn't have deserved it.)
Jamie knows he was wrong, and has since apologised to players, fans, etc, but most of all, he let himself down in the heat of the moment.
Side 2: We shouldn't be so quick to judge people, because for anyone who has seen live football or just on t.v, all players get a hell of a lot stick from rival (so called) supporters, so many of us, in his shoes (boots) might have reacted in the same way.
Footballers are there to provide entertainment, and should feel safe in their workplace, without the constant threat of serious injury (i.e blindness) from a moron who throws items onto the playing area.
Clubs need to take swift & harsh action against any guilty hooligans, so the problem is sorted out before someone gets hurt. Maybe even impose fines on clubs or deduct them league points if any of their fans are guilty of missile throwing.
What if one day, God forbid, a player is blinded by a coin or knocked unconscious by a bottle? It could have far reaching implications for football. Players could go on strike until better safety features, such as plastic screens are implemented into stadiums.
Perhaps clubs could introduce/encourage a scheme where-by fans can report violent or excessively abusive fans.
Like every other football fan, I shout at the t.v when my team doesn't perform, but if i was in the stadium, I would never contemplate throwing things at players and it's a shame that some people think that this is acceptable behaviour.
I'm sure that many footballers have wanted to do what Jamie did for all the times they have suffered in similar incidents, but have managed to control their behaviour. It was only a matter of time till a player reacted in this way.
So, Carragher is guilty, but the coin-throwing idiots should take the majority of the blame.
I'd like to hear other people's (unbiased) views on the issue.
Thanks.
I'm a Liverpool supporter, but I did think the ref was right to send off Jamie Carragher.
But, & pardon the pun, this debate is a two sided coin.
Side 1: His (well paid) job is to play football, if a teacher lashed out at a badly behaved pupil what would happen to the teacher, suspension? The sack? Possibly even prison?
Part of a footballers money is to show discipline & restraint, whether it be items thrown or racial abuse etc, so any physical action (like Eric Cantona) is totally wrong.
Liverpool could have gone on to win the match with 11 players v 9 players, who knows (although they wouldn't have deserved it.)
Jamie knows he was wrong, and has since apologised to players, fans, etc, but most of all, he let himself down in the heat of the moment.
Side 2: We shouldn't be so quick to judge people, because for anyone who has seen live football or just on t.v, all players get a hell of a lot stick from rival (so called) supporters, so many of us, in his shoes (boots) might have reacted in the same way.
Footballers are there to provide entertainment, and should feel safe in their workplace, without the constant threat of serious injury (i.e blindness) from a moron who throws items onto the playing area.
Clubs need to take swift & harsh action against any guilty hooligans, so the problem is sorted out before someone gets hurt. Maybe even impose fines on clubs or deduct them league points if any of their fans are guilty of missile throwing.
What if one day, God forbid, a player is blinded by a coin or knocked unconscious by a bottle? It could have far reaching implications for football. Players could go on strike until better safety features, such as plastic screens are implemented into stadiums.
Perhaps clubs could introduce/encourage a scheme where-by fans can report violent or excessively abusive fans.
Like every other football fan, I shout at the t.v when my team doesn't perform, but if i was in the stadium, I would never contemplate throwing things at players and it's a shame that some people think that this is acceptable behaviour.
I'm sure that many footballers have wanted to do what Jamie did for all the times they have suffered in similar incidents, but have managed to control their behaviour. It was only a matter of time till a player reacted in this way.
So, Carragher is guilty, but the coin-throwing idiots should take the majority of the blame.
I'd like to hear other people's (unbiased) views on the issue.
Thanks.
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