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"Is PS2 dead already? to be honest, i wouldn't care"

With the XBOX and the GAMECUBE coming to the market in Japan and America, could the PS2 be dying? This has probably been discussed before, but i don't care.

The biggest problem with the PS2 is graphics. When it was released we were promised graphics to wet our pants/knickers over. When i saw the opening video for Smackdwon 3, that was exactly what i did (only joking). But if any one has been bothered to watch the opening vid to Smackdown 3 they will know what i mean. The graphics are stunning! they look almost real. When i pressed start and was greated by a very tacky Michael Cole introduction i started to cry. The graphics in game where OK, but nothing compared to the video.

I know that game developers struggle to make the in game graphics as good as the opening and in game vids, but why bother? Why not just concentrate more on the in game graphics and less on the vids.

Don't get me wrong. I admire the great work that is involved in game making, and i feel that the PS2 has made a great improvement on game systems in the European market. With consoles such as N64 and Dreamcast leaving me lying awake at night wondering why anyone would release such...t**d consoles.

Max Payne is a game that i have played on the PC and loved. Now it is coming to the PS2 in a week. Hail to the lord!!! or should i? from what i've heard the PS2 version of Max Payne does the PC and XBOX versions great injustice. Obviously i will buy it any way (Nothing beats the Matrix/John Woo style game play. I get to be Chow Yun Fat and Neo at the same time, YIPPEE!!) but if the game is as bad as every one says, i will be very disheartened.

With games such as MGS2 and Stuntman making an apperance on the market soon, perhaps the PS2 still has chance. But if Sony don't pull their fingers out, then i can see a certain company having to re-think the whole console thing.

If any one has anything to say, good or bad, please feel free to reply to my post.

Tah! Brad

> situation you'd be more justified if the Xbox/Gamecube are dead already?
successful the first PS1 was.

Should have read, MORE JUSTIFIED ASKING IF...

Not sure this question has been properly formed. Judging on the current situation you'd be more justified if the Xbox/Gamecube are dead already?

Sony have already got a very large fan-base and it's unlikely that either of the rival consoles, despite their capabilities, can attract enough people to make Microsoft or Nintendo overcome the mountain that is Sony Computer Entertainment.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but it's definately a war that relies heavily on pre-established audience's and marketing campaigns, and, everyone knows how successful the first PS1 was.

Any who! i think that we can all agree that Sony still have not gave us a truely astounding game yet. They promised us the best but so far they have only delivered above average.

With games such as Tarzan and Mummy Returns shaming the console, i can only see a small future for the PS2 at the moment. Hopefully games such as MGS2 will save it. I hope so, because i have spent quite alot on the PS2 so far and have yet to be pleased.

GTA3 was a step in the right direction, but like many PS2 games at the moment. It only has a life of about 2 months for most people.

Please Sony! Give us an ultimate game!! (something that is a combination of MAX PAYNE, MGS, GTA3 and the original Tony Hawk)

To be honest, Smackdown JBI was disappointing in every way. From match types to graphics.

However, I thought the graphics were good, even if the intro sequence's looked better-after all, they always do.

And I think they're not using the full capability yet because they actually can't...they need to get 'used' to it, if you know what I mean.

Look at the PlayStation, from Ridge Racer all the way to Gran Turismo 2. Big difference, on the same console.

I respect what you are saying Ant and Berfkhbdk(what ever). But i just feel that if the PS" has sooooo much to offer graphics wise, then why are the games programmers not using it.

MG2 does look very promising! but why did Smackdown 3's programmers waste such a promising prospect with poopy graphics. The idea of the 3rd SD installment on the PS2 with its "great graphics" promised to be a great looking game with all our fave wrestlers looking their best. The opening video was this and more. But the game looked only half decent.

Maybe i am expecting too much, but then someone must have given me the idea that PS2 was going to be the best :) Damn those marketing geniuses!!!

Finally i have some back-up. Well said Ant and Berserker. ;-)

There is no way that the PS2 is going to die. It just has two much going for it right now. With the release of FFX and the UK release of Metal Gear Solid 2:SOL it's far from dying out.

Well, actually, in the past 2 months we have been lucky enough to recieve lots of brilliant games for the PS2, including Jak and Daxter, GTA 3, Smackdown JBI, Devil May Cry, SSX Tricky, Half-Life, Pro Evo, GT3, Time Crisis 2, and going back earlier than that Star Wars: Starfighter, Zone Of The Enders, Red Faction and TIF 2002.

And there's so much more to come! Max Payne, MGS2, StarFighter 2, Star Wars Racer 2, The Getaway, Run Like Hell, Return To Castle Wolfenstein-I could go on.

You talk about graphics?? MGS2 uses 66% of the PS2's graphical capability. Now, the MGS2 graphics are superb, and if there's more to come then you can't exactly say the graphics are disappointing. I think you're expecting too much, and the only reason the GameCube games look 'better' is because they're all cartoonie, animated ones.

The PS2 is far from dead, and it's becoming more alive by the second. They've were sold out all over the country for Christmas, and by the time the X-Box and GameCube come out people will be too busy playing their PS2s to even care about the GC or an X-Box, which will each have around 3 excellent games each compared to the PS2's 15+, and more when you take into account the fact that some people like some genres more than others.

Well Tony Hawks 3 has taken an advanced step graphic-wise and has great gameplay, I must say I didn't complete it in one day but I have now. It also has a much better multiplay and link up network play, but if that's how you feel.....

Any conflict with AfroJoe aside. I feel that Tony Hawk 3 was no different to the first two. There were a few adjustments, but nothing drasticly impressive. I loved TH1 when it came out. I had never played a game so addicting! i gave TH2 a miss and completed TH3 in a day! it got really boring, really fast after that.

Sorry, but thats how i feel