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"Afghanistan bans the internet
Web posted on 14/7/01
The Taliban tries to stop "immoral" material entering their country. In the Afghan Islamic Press, Taliban Foreign Minister Maulvi Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil said the Afghan government was not directly against the internet as a medium of communication but was against the easy availability of adult and improper content. He continued, "we want to establish a system in Afghanistan through which we can control all those things that are wrong, obscene, immoral and against Islam." This ban comes as a blow for international aid agencies and foreign Embassies who are expected to comply with the new ruling. Up until now they have been using phone lines and ISPs provided by neighbouring Pakistan to gain internet access. The Afghanistan Government, as of yet, have not mentioned exactly how they are to police this blanket ban, as trying to determine who is using the phone line for the internet or a telephone call, could prove tricky."
"we want to establish a system in Afghanistan through which we can control all those things that are wrong, obscene, immoral and against Islam"
Got me thinking that bit did.
The above is a news article from this website - dated in July of this year - how things have changed. I felt it was significant, so read it, see what you think.
Have you all enjoyed your Christmas holidays? If not then I'm sorry you haven't, hopefully, against all the misery and destruction in the world - hopefully because you can read this, you've had a Christmas, be grateful for it, which I am sure you are.
Afghanistan - 'war torn' doesn't even come close. This country has been destroyed, and standards of living are appalling beyond belief. Why? Because they had the power to do it.
You won't have forgotten, I doubt you ever will - the attacks on America, the worst in history which wiped the world trade centre buildings from the skyline of New York, killed thousands of innocent people, upped the pace of the advancing recession, made the world's stock markets tumble, made heroes out of many, but more importantly, made us all think.
I know that on September 11th I'd never appreciated my own life, and the life around me so much - how anyone could do such a thing in my eye, was and is beyond me, beyond words.
I know this is still being discussed (by me at least), months on, but hey - a war is still being fought, there is always a war being fought - but to the point of my post - why is everything down to one man - a certain Osama Bin Laden?
Will the world breathe a sigh of release when definite news of his death reaches us all? You know, I think it will. The USA, UK, The Northern Aliance, etc - they've turned a country into refugee camp - Bin Laden still hasn't been found, people with dynamite in their shoes are still walking onto planes, and the threat of biological warfare is a constant fear in the back of many, many minds.
One man - and his band wagon, the Taliban - now defunct, does that mean the world is safe? Who knows. Who cares, and why, if I could only ask one question in life - why would it be 'why'?
How would you feel you when you watch the 'Breaking News' that Bin Laden has been captured - how significant will it really be? Killing him wouldn't rid the world of all evil, it'd only bring about more mixed feelings, more evil - how hypocritical would this be? Angry, relieved, elated? How would/will you feel?
I'm sorry to write about this, but I haven't before - I feel it's important to discuss what is important, and I hope you have something to add.
When I saw those famous landmarks collapse over 3 months ago on every channel - I was shocked, my heart went out to everyone, I donated to whichever charity was asking for donations regarding the situation - and this affected everything.
Respect everything - Please take time to write a reply, I hope this is a suitable topic.
Electric Hedgehog
Web posted on 14/7/01
The Taliban tries to stop "immoral" material entering their country. In the Afghan Islamic Press, Taliban Foreign Minister Maulvi Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil said the Afghan government was not directly against the internet as a medium of communication but was against the easy availability of adult and improper content. He continued, "we want to establish a system in Afghanistan through which we can control all those things that are wrong, obscene, immoral and against Islam." This ban comes as a blow for international aid agencies and foreign Embassies who are expected to comply with the new ruling. Up until now they have been using phone lines and ISPs provided by neighbouring Pakistan to gain internet access. The Afghanistan Government, as of yet, have not mentioned exactly how they are to police this blanket ban, as trying to determine who is using the phone line for the internet or a telephone call, could prove tricky."
"we want to establish a system in Afghanistan through which we can control all those things that are wrong, obscene, immoral and against Islam"
Got me thinking that bit did.
The above is a news article from this website - dated in July of this year - how things have changed. I felt it was significant, so read it, see what you think.
Have you all enjoyed your Christmas holidays? If not then I'm sorry you haven't, hopefully, against all the misery and destruction in the world - hopefully because you can read this, you've had a Christmas, be grateful for it, which I am sure you are.
Afghanistan - 'war torn' doesn't even come close. This country has been destroyed, and standards of living are appalling beyond belief. Why? Because they had the power to do it.
You won't have forgotten, I doubt you ever will - the attacks on America, the worst in history which wiped the world trade centre buildings from the skyline of New York, killed thousands of innocent people, upped the pace of the advancing recession, made the world's stock markets tumble, made heroes out of many, but more importantly, made us all think.
I know that on September 11th I'd never appreciated my own life, and the life around me so much - how anyone could do such a thing in my eye, was and is beyond me, beyond words.
I know this is still being discussed (by me at least), months on, but hey - a war is still being fought, there is always a war being fought - but to the point of my post - why is everything down to one man - a certain Osama Bin Laden?
Will the world breathe a sigh of release when definite news of his death reaches us all? You know, I think it will. The USA, UK, The Northern Aliance, etc - they've turned a country into refugee camp - Bin Laden still hasn't been found, people with dynamite in their shoes are still walking onto planes, and the threat of biological warfare is a constant fear in the back of many, many minds.
One man - and his band wagon, the Taliban - now defunct, does that mean the world is safe? Who knows. Who cares, and why, if I could only ask one question in life - why would it be 'why'?
How would you feel you when you watch the 'Breaking News' that Bin Laden has been captured - how significant will it really be? Killing him wouldn't rid the world of all evil, it'd only bring about more mixed feelings, more evil - how hypocritical would this be? Angry, relieved, elated? How would/will you feel?
I'm sorry to write about this, but I haven't before - I feel it's important to discuss what is important, and I hope you have something to add.
When I saw those famous landmarks collapse over 3 months ago on every channel - I was shocked, my heart went out to everyone, I donated to whichever charity was asking for donations regarding the situation - and this affected everything.
Respect everything - Please take time to write a reply, I hope this is a suitable topic.
Electric Hedgehog
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Hey hey Mr Happy! How the holidays!
Anyway, I've got to disagree with you cynisism about the definition of terrorism missing out the IRA... the reason being the IRA are now no longer planting bombs, and make their views politically- so it is right that they aren't classed as terrorist. As for the political wing of ETA, this is slightly more complex...
I can't remember, but do they support the terror wing of ETA's military actions? One thing is for sure- they don't fund the terrorist wing (or else they would be classed as terrorist). The question is whether someone who agrees with terrorist activities is a terrorist... a tough question.
Oh, and you seem to have contradicted yourself when you say that terrorists seem to be those people who are not with us... so why aren't the political wing of the IRA or ETA on there... they aren't with the view of the West!
Sonic
Anyway, I've got to disagree with you cynisism about the definition of terrorism missing out the IRA... the reason being the IRA are now no longer planting bombs, and make their views politically- so it is right that they aren't classed as terrorist. As for the political wing of ETA, this is slightly more complex...
I can't remember, but do they support the terror wing of ETA's military actions? One thing is for sure- they don't fund the terrorist wing (or else they would be classed as terrorist). The question is whether someone who agrees with terrorist activities is a terrorist... a tough question.
Oh, and you seem to have contradicted yourself when you say that terrorists seem to be those people who are not with us... so why aren't the political wing of the IRA or ETA on there... they aren't with the view of the West!
Sonic
the blonde bloke or woman? Is that the right band I am thinking of? I dunno, they all seem the same with their endless smiling, irritating songs (with no meaning) and 'stylish' clothing.
Of course, Steps are a terrorist organisation corrupting the minds of the youth.
They are actually hyper-intelligent, naming themselves after John Buchan's thriller "the Thirty-Nine Steps". However, they realised that in order to spread their message best, they should have no message and convince the world that life had no more meaning that singing bad covers of songs by ABBA and the Bee Gees.
Their mission was a complete success until the blonde one decided that he would go and write a detailed study of American foreign policy.
They are actually hyper-intelligent, naming themselves after John Buchan's thriller "the Thirty-Nine Steps". However, they realised that in order to spread their message best, they should have no message and convince the world that life had no more meaning that singing bad covers of songs by ABBA and the Bee Gees.
Their mission was a complete success until the blonde one decided that he would go and write a detailed study of American foreign policy.
PS agree with your last post Misterhappy. We can never be wrong... when our enemies rewrite history it is propaganda, but when our government do it they are educating people, and giving them 'moral instruction'. Just like our frineds (ie. those who we sell arms to, or will support our interests if in power) are 'freedom fighters' and our enemies (who may just have their own ideas) are 'terrorists'. Maybe one day the world will see... but will it be too late?
misterhappy wrote:
> Oh and welcome to the cynics militia - still trying to make the naive masses see
> that there is more to World Politics than the demise of Steps.
But the demise of Steps would be a good start eh?
;-)
> Oh and welcome to the cynics militia - still trying to make the naive masses see
> that there is more to World Politics than the demise of Steps.
But the demise of Steps would be a good start eh?
;-)
Oh and welcome to the cynics militia - still trying to make the naive masses see that there is more to World Politics than the demise of Steps.
It is reassuring to hear that the EU has come up with a definition of Terrorism so they can freeze assets and crack down, etc. Oh yes, the definiton was arrived at by first deciding which terrorist groups they didn't like, ETA, real IRA, Hamas etc. The IRA, were they on it? No they are political. ETA's political wing weren't on it. People who are our friends weren't on it, ie Israel. The definiton of a terrorist is "someone not on our side". If you are on our side then you are of course a "Freedom fighter".
Now this added clarity is brilliant for the West as we can now go on perpetrating the same crimes and supporting the same rebels as we always have. You see, we can never be wrong. Terrorists better watch out because the West is coming for you. Will it matter if Bin Laden dies? No, because there are a hundred other groups that America will move on to. Somalia and Iraq look like top picks on the defence chief's chart. Bin Laden's death will only serve to keep public opinion polls in favour of action.
America was late for both of the World Wars, but god bless them, they are tryin their damnedest to get there early for the next one.
Now this added clarity is brilliant for the West as we can now go on perpetrating the same crimes and supporting the same rebels as we always have. You see, we can never be wrong. Terrorists better watch out because the West is coming for you. Will it matter if Bin Laden dies? No, because there are a hundred other groups that America will move on to. Somalia and Iraq look like top picks on the defence chief's chart. Bin Laden's death will only serve to keep public opinion polls in favour of action.
America was late for both of the World Wars, but god bless them, they are tryin their damnedest to get there early for the next one.
oh, and good post for your first day. I can see great things could come from you.
The USA are basically going on what they have made out to be some great moral crusade to get this evil perpertraitor, when really it will make little difference to a terrorist organisation as big as it is. When (if) they catch Bin Laden, they'll just play the heroes, forgetting the fact that to get him they destroyed an already backwards country. The US government will get on its high horse, and milk the 'victory' for all it is worth so they can get elected again. Then the US government and media will start going on about all the evil things Bin Laden has done, and not bother even making an attempt to understand why the attacks on the US occurred or why the USA is so hated by many. Then they'll just sit and wait like fools until something 'against National interests' happens again, go on another moral crusade, when before anything 'against US interest' they frankly didn't give a sh** about the country, how it was run, or if there was some terrible dictator who the people hated. Then America will install a US friendly government to keep its 'National Security'.
I agree with most, if not all of what has been said in everyone's posts.
It's the perfect excuse to exercise their military muscle and to justify the £££££££billions spent on defence each year. Iraq is still being bombed, isn't it?
Now - Kill Bin Laden. Bad plan - Mr Bush's words of wisdom - tragic, he's a puppet on a string, but he's a good man.
The death of one person's life - is it more 'significant' when he or she is well known, well known and hated - internationally?
It makes me think that something went wrong along the way - humankind - we're not kind, we're evil, we can't accept difference, and 'war' is the only way to save everything.
War my ass.
>Shakes head, turns to the sport section<
It's the perfect excuse to exercise their military muscle and to justify the £££££££billions spent on defence each year. Iraq is still being bombed, isn't it?
Now - Kill Bin Laden. Bad plan - Mr Bush's words of wisdom - tragic, he's a puppet on a string, but he's a good man.
The death of one person's life - is it more 'significant' when he or she is well known, well known and hated - internationally?
It makes me think that something went wrong along the way - humankind - we're not kind, we're evil, we can't accept difference, and 'war' is the only way to save everything.
War my ass.
>Shakes head, turns to the sport section<
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