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Paper Mario 2 doesn't look very good if you ask me.
Its 2D, i've rather get it on the GBA SP.
Its 2D, i've rather get it on the GBA SP.
Ah. I stand corrected...
From now on (according to Cube-Europe), "Paper Mario 2" shall be known as:
Paper Mario: 'The Thousand Year Door'
And, instead of claiming this one, or another pre-order, I'm now thinking of going for a game now, if I really can...
Mario Golf: Toadstall Tour has therefore been added to the list.
Super Monkey Ball 2's also there (although, I reckon that one could soon drop in price, somewhere...)
Prince of Persia, too - although, it is fairly cheap, and being an adventure game, it'd clash with Skies. :P
I might go for a GBA game, like Wario Ware inc. ...
But then, compared to the "up to £50 value" you're given, they seem a little cheap and 'wasteful' as prizes.
From now on (according to Cube-Europe), "Paper Mario 2" shall be known as:
Paper Mario: 'The Thousand Year Door'
And, instead of claiming this one, or another pre-order, I'm now thinking of going for a game now, if I really can...
Mario Golf: Toadstall Tour has therefore been added to the list.
Super Monkey Ball 2's also there (although, I reckon that one could soon drop in price, somewhere...)
Prince of Persia, too - although, it is fairly cheap, and being an adventure game, it'd clash with Skies. :P
I might go for a GBA game, like Wario Ware inc. ...
But then, compared to the "up to £50 value" you're given, they seem a little cheap and 'wasteful' as prizes.
Yes! I've won my first GAD for... Ages! :D
Edgy thought he'd nicked my 10th place in the 'All-Time Winners' chart... - But, no! I come flying back to show him he just doesn't belong! ;D
I'm really stuck for what to claim, though. I'm thinking of a pre-order - probably Paper Mario 2 (if SR do it...?). For games already out that I want to get (inlcuding Viewtiful Joe, Need for Speed and a few others), I've seen most of them for less than £20 on The Game Xchange's website... I can't really think of anything else.
A pre-order would be better for me, anyway. I mean, Skies of Arcadia....
I'm getting closer, but I still feel there's a long way to go. Secured the Purple Moon Stone last night - and what a brilliant twist in the story that had, with the Gigas! :o - and now, it's only the yellow one to get before I (probably) have to take on the entire empire to beat the game, and Ramirez - who, even I can tell is a bleedin' Silvite! (and, he probably has the Silver Stone :P ) - then, that could be it... :o
Sorry, I haven't read much of what Whitestripes and Duck have been saying about this game, simply because I haven't finished it yet. I have seen that Black Moon Stone though, and I personally only believe it gives the Dark Rift its "darkness" - making it just a normal Sky Rift, only, 'powered' by the moon stone.
I was thinking of claiming the PAL version of Animal Crossing, actually...
But then, with this game finally coming to Europe, how would I get rid of my US version of the game - other than through Ebay??
And then, is it really gonna be worth it anyway, now I've already seen so-much of the game, and I still remember how tiresome the initial loan-payings were; 16-months-later....?
Edgy thought he'd nicked my 10th place in the 'All-Time Winners' chart... - But, no! I come flying back to show him he just doesn't belong! ;D
I'm really stuck for what to claim, though. I'm thinking of a pre-order - probably Paper Mario 2 (if SR do it...?). For games already out that I want to get (inlcuding Viewtiful Joe, Need for Speed and a few others), I've seen most of them for less than £20 on The Game Xchange's website... I can't really think of anything else.
A pre-order would be better for me, anyway. I mean, Skies of Arcadia....
I'm getting closer, but I still feel there's a long way to go. Secured the Purple Moon Stone last night - and what a brilliant twist in the story that had, with the Gigas! :o - and now, it's only the yellow one to get before I (probably) have to take on the entire empire to beat the game, and Ramirez - who, even I can tell is a bleedin' Silvite! (and, he probably has the Silver Stone :P ) - then, that could be it... :o
Sorry, I haven't read much of what Whitestripes and Duck have been saying about this game, simply because I haven't finished it yet. I have seen that Black Moon Stone though, and I personally only believe it gives the Dark Rift its "darkness" - making it just a normal Sky Rift, only, 'powered' by the moon stone.
I was thinking of claiming the PAL version of Animal Crossing, actually...
But then, with this game finally coming to Europe, how would I get rid of my US version of the game - other than through Ebay??
And then, is it really gonna be worth it anyway, now I've already seen so-much of the game, and I still remember how tiresome the initial loan-payings were; 16-months-later....?
Bought my SP today. It's so very nice, I love flame red. Also bought the official case, which is pretty decent for $6, and I finally bought an official GC/GBA link cable today, which was about $10, which I'll be using for Pac-Man vs. etc...
All in all, ended up spending about $140, which is about 75 pounds. Gawd, I'm gonna be skint soon :(
Will be selling my GBA when I come back though, cos I don't really have a need for it now with my SP. Anyone got a clue what I'll get if I sell it in Gamestation?
All in all, ended up spending about $140, which is about 75 pounds. Gawd, I'm gonna be skint soon :(
Will be selling my GBA when I come back though, cos I don't really have a need for it now with my SP. Anyone got a clue what I'll get if I sell it in Gamestation?
Whitestripes DX wrote:
> Where, in the whole game, does anyone mentioning anything about a 7th
> civilisation - apart from the description box for the black moon
> stone? And it was you that brought up the 'simplest solution is
> probably right'.
.....
> I'm undecided on a
> civilisation, but there probably was people on whatever continent the
> moon used to hang over, that has now been smashed into pieces.
.....
[On what you;d like to see in a sequel]
> Then down in deep sky they come across the black moon and discover
> that some people have survived and since spread across deep sky.
I think that shows it fairly well. Over the past few posts you've veered between 'there was no civilisation', 'there might have been a civilisation', and 'I'd like there to have been a civilisation'.
> Other alternatives (and by the far the most likely I think) are:
> -It's just an innacurate translation from the original Japanese.
> Anyone who watches Anime can testify how the stories wildly differ in
> the small details because of the way they are translated.
> - Overworks didn't put any thought into it, they were simply making a
> game. The black moon stone was just a convienent discovery to put in
> the rift.
I struggle to see skies as a game where the staff 'didn't put any thought into it'. Even on the translation front, so much of the game ties together so neatly - even the little plot-related discoveries - surely show more care than that?
> I just really don't think Ramirez had anything to do with the black
> moon, the entire argument that he does comes from the fact he says
> 'dark moon' like, once in the entire game - it's pathetic.
LOL! Supurb stuff :^D
'Thinking that because he says he draws on the power of the dark moon, that maybe he draws on the power of the dark moon.. call the daily mail and stop the press, the immigrant paedophile story just got knocked off the front page'
Pathetic is throwing a hissy fit over somebody having a different view to yours about how they read between the lines of a fictional story. Particularly so when both are based predominantly on speculation about a plot that has probably never even been written, hell, the person who could write it, and decide which theory is 'right' may not even have been assigned his place yet. Not only is there probably no actual answer, but there's every chance there never will be!
But you make funny posts sometimes so it's alright.
> As for the black moon possibilties, what power would it have? Silver
> was both life and death, I reckon the black moon was probably the
> same or something very similiar. The Galcian/Elcian thing is entirely
> possible, after all when one of your party dies do you not just cast
> ressurection on them?
Perhaps so, although I missed the bit where riselem resurrects people as loopers :^D
Who cares what black may or may not have had, is it so hard to think there might be something else, something a little different?
Still, one thing we do agree on, we both suck for wasting this much time typing about it ¦^)
> Where, in the whole game, does anyone mentioning anything about a 7th
> civilisation - apart from the description box for the black moon
> stone? And it was you that brought up the 'simplest solution is
> probably right'.
.....
> I'm undecided on a
> civilisation, but there probably was people on whatever continent the
> moon used to hang over, that has now been smashed into pieces.
.....
[On what you;d like to see in a sequel]
> Then down in deep sky they come across the black moon and discover
> that some people have survived and since spread across deep sky.
I think that shows it fairly well. Over the past few posts you've veered between 'there was no civilisation', 'there might have been a civilisation', and 'I'd like there to have been a civilisation'.
> Other alternatives (and by the far the most likely I think) are:
> -It's just an innacurate translation from the original Japanese.
> Anyone who watches Anime can testify how the stories wildly differ in
> the small details because of the way they are translated.
> - Overworks didn't put any thought into it, they were simply making a
> game. The black moon stone was just a convienent discovery to put in
> the rift.
I struggle to see skies as a game where the staff 'didn't put any thought into it'. Even on the translation front, so much of the game ties together so neatly - even the little plot-related discoveries - surely show more care than that?
> I just really don't think Ramirez had anything to do with the black
> moon, the entire argument that he does comes from the fact he says
> 'dark moon' like, once in the entire game - it's pathetic.
LOL! Supurb stuff :^D
'Thinking that because he says he draws on the power of the dark moon, that maybe he draws on the power of the dark moon.. call the daily mail and stop the press, the immigrant paedophile story just got knocked off the front page'
Pathetic is throwing a hissy fit over somebody having a different view to yours about how they read between the lines of a fictional story. Particularly so when both are based predominantly on speculation about a plot that has probably never even been written, hell, the person who could write it, and decide which theory is 'right' may not even have been assigned his place yet. Not only is there probably no actual answer, but there's every chance there never will be!
But you make funny posts sometimes so it's alright.
> As for the black moon possibilties, what power would it have? Silver
> was both life and death, I reckon the black moon was probably the
> same or something very similiar. The Galcian/Elcian thing is entirely
> possible, after all when one of your party dies do you not just cast
> ressurection on them?
Perhaps so, although I missed the bit where riselem resurrects people as loopers :^D
Who cares what black may or may not have had, is it so hard to think there might be something else, something a little different?
Still, one thing we do agree on, we both suck for wasting this much time typing about it ¦^)
It's an intresting theory/plot continuation. I doubt it's a mis-translation though, seems like a major thing anyway. The fact there's a black moon stone suggests it fell from a black moon and the crash of the black moon into Arcadia to form the rift is a popular theory and entirely logical. My guess is the hint at a black moon/civilisation was put in there purely as something to be explored in the sequel, which now looks like it won't ever be made.
Hello.
It's quite sad I typed all that..
Scant evidence?
You mean apart from every other civilisation mentioning the great war between the 6 civilisations in which the silver civilisation put an end to everything by sealing away the Gigas?
Where, in the whole game, does anyone mentioning anything about a 7th civilisation - apart from the description box for the black moon stone? And it was you that brought up the 'simplest solution is probably right'.
Sure, any weapon can be aligned with a crystal, but the game couldn't really make it any clearer that Ramirez uses a silver moon stone. The Silvite Elders were the last alive, and were about to commit suicide, if they'd known anything about another civilisation there's a good chance then would have been the time to pass it onto someone.
Other alternatives (and by the far the most likely I think) are:
-It's just an innacurate translation from the original Japanese. Anyone who watches Anime can testify how the stories wildly differ in the small details because of the way they are translated.
- Overworks didn't put any thought into it, they were simply making a game. The black moon stone was just a convienent discovery to put in the rift.
As it happens I do think there was a black moon, and some how it entered the atmosphere, broke up and what was left smashed into deep sky and caused the dark rift to form. I'm undecided on a civilisation, but there probably was people on whatever continent the moon used to hang over, that has now been smashed into pieces.
I just really don't think Ramirez had anything to do with the black moon, the entire argument that he does comes from the fact he says 'dark moon' like, once in the entire game - it's pathetic.
As for the black moon possibilties, what power would it have? Silver was both life and death, I reckon the black moon was probably the same or something very similiar. The Galcian/Elcian thing is entirely possible, after all when one of your party dies do you not just cast ressurection on them?
What I'd like to see in a sequel is some years in the future (but still with the Vyse et all). Technology has advanced and the new super power (Nasr as Valua is still rebuilding) is investigating the dark rift and finally make a breakthrough in some area. Then Vyse & Co, being world renowned, are hired as mercs to spearhead it and head into the breahc in advanced as others.
Then down in deep sky they come across the black moon and discover that some people have survived and since spread across deep sky. The Silvite Elders did know, but didn't want anyone to know. Why? Because the black Gigas is something truly terrifying to behold, 10 times more powerful than Zelos. It was the black civilisation that caused the moon to rip apart, as their Gigas was so strong it needed so much energy that they tried to harness the moon itself.
You'd need to discover much more about the ice civilisation. Also Ramirez and Galcian could be back, ressurected by the power of Zelos/the black civilisation. However they could be warring, Galcian working for the black civ as they are gearing up to invade normal sky and reclaim the world for themselves. Whereas Ramirez is now a scarred warrior, still slightly disfigured and bound to Zelos, who is leading a resistance against them - turned back to the good side after his final encounter with Fina et al, and is now trying to repent for his previous treachery. It could make for some interesting storylines and character development.
Anyway, it's just a game :)
One I'm going to start playing through for about the 10th time when I've finished ToS.
You mean apart from every other civilisation mentioning the great war between the 6 civilisations in which the silver civilisation put an end to everything by sealing away the Gigas?
Where, in the whole game, does anyone mentioning anything about a 7th civilisation - apart from the description box for the black moon stone? And it was you that brought up the 'simplest solution is probably right'.
Sure, any weapon can be aligned with a crystal, but the game couldn't really make it any clearer that Ramirez uses a silver moon stone. The Silvite Elders were the last alive, and were about to commit suicide, if they'd known anything about another civilisation there's a good chance then would have been the time to pass it onto someone.
Other alternatives (and by the far the most likely I think) are:
-It's just an innacurate translation from the original Japanese. Anyone who watches Anime can testify how the stories wildly differ in the small details because of the way they are translated.
- Overworks didn't put any thought into it, they were simply making a game. The black moon stone was just a convienent discovery to put in the rift.
As it happens I do think there was a black moon, and some how it entered the atmosphere, broke up and what was left smashed into deep sky and caused the dark rift to form. I'm undecided on a civilisation, but there probably was people on whatever continent the moon used to hang over, that has now been smashed into pieces.
I just really don't think Ramirez had anything to do with the black moon, the entire argument that he does comes from the fact he says 'dark moon' like, once in the entire game - it's pathetic.
As for the black moon possibilties, what power would it have? Silver was both life and death, I reckon the black moon was probably the same or something very similiar. The Galcian/Elcian thing is entirely possible, after all when one of your party dies do you not just cast ressurection on them?
What I'd like to see in a sequel is some years in the future (but still with the Vyse et all). Technology has advanced and the new super power (Nasr as Valua is still rebuilding) is investigating the dark rift and finally make a breakthrough in some area. Then Vyse & Co, being world renowned, are hired as mercs to spearhead it and head into the breahc in advanced as others.
Then down in deep sky they come across the black moon and discover that some people have survived and since spread across deep sky. The Silvite Elders did know, but didn't want anyone to know. Why? Because the black Gigas is something truly terrifying to behold, 10 times more powerful than Zelos. It was the black civilisation that caused the moon to rip apart, as their Gigas was so strong it needed so much energy that they tried to harness the moon itself.
You'd need to discover much more about the ice civilisation. Also Ramirez and Galcian could be back, ressurected by the power of Zelos/the black civilisation. However they could be warring, Galcian working for the black civ as they are gearing up to invade normal sky and reclaim the world for themselves. Whereas Ramirez is now a scarred warrior, still slightly disfigured and bound to Zelos, who is leading a resistance against them - turned back to the good side after his final encounter with Fina et al, and is now trying to repent for his previous treachery. It could make for some interesting storylines and character development.
Anyway, it's just a game :)
One I'm going to start playing through for about the 10th time when I've finished ToS.
Whitestripes DX wrote:
> As much as I'd like him to, I really doubt he has any connection with
> the black moon. The Silvite Elders knew nothing of this civilistion,
> there were no records in the Valuan Empire. If there was a sixth
> civilisation, we're talking thousands of years ago, well before the
> original rains of destruction.
It could be possible he learned about it later, after leaving the Elders. Or perhaps the Silvites/Valuans did know, and the game just didn't bring that into focus. It could have been kept secret by the people in the highest positions..
(Although the valuans seemed to be only beginning to discover much of arcadia, so it would be perfectly plausable they didn't have the knowledge).
> If Ramirez has some link it would be a safe bet that Galcian at least
> would know as well, and if they did surely they would have exploited
> it.
Hey, it was you who said Galcian was reincarnated as a looper in the dark rift. And there may have been little more to exploit than what Ramirez and Galcian (arguaby) did exploit.
The dark moon is too much of an unknown quantity to pin down what everyone did or didn't know, and could or couldn't exploit from it.
> Occam's Razor would point to the answer being no, there is no
> evidence to suggest there was a civilisation, a moon stone suggests
> the extinction of a black moon, but there's nothing for a
> civilisation. Therefore one does not exist.
There was scant evidence of the Silvite continent before it popped up there.
And we know very little of the world of deep sky.
Even if a civilisation doesn't exist 'now' (current skies time), that doesn't show that it never did..
> You could argue that because it could
> cut light it was opposed to light, and therefore dark, but the fact
> it was crafted by the Silvites and is called the Light Blade suggests
> otherwise.
All the other weapons could be aligned with any crystal.
> It's far more likely the 'dark' part simply refers to the fact that
> he is evil, and evil is associated with darkness. Also Zelos, the
> Silvites and therefore the silver moon were the cause of the rains of
> destruction, and therefore could be reffered to as 'dark' as they
> were the cause of the most evil act.
It's stretching it a bit.
There are two alternatives:
1) When he says 'dark moon', he's actually talking about the dark moon.
2) When he says 'dark moon', he actually doesn't mean the dark moon, but a different moon, that can be considered 'dark' by a long-winded metaphore.
You seem very closed-minded about the whole thing. Your post is full of 'can't' and 'isn't', yet all your arguments are based on supposition in the absence of anything close to conclusive evidence.
To draw firm conclusions from such feeble foundations is retarded.
It's a possibility, and a bit of fun to knock around theories. But whether you argue that the black moon is a moon and nothing else, or had/has an associated civilisation or stronger links to Ramirez, there's no certainty either way.
> As much as I'd like him to, I really doubt he has any connection with
> the black moon. The Silvite Elders knew nothing of this civilistion,
> there were no records in the Valuan Empire. If there was a sixth
> civilisation, we're talking thousands of years ago, well before the
> original rains of destruction.
It could be possible he learned about it later, after leaving the Elders. Or perhaps the Silvites/Valuans did know, and the game just didn't bring that into focus. It could have been kept secret by the people in the highest positions..
(Although the valuans seemed to be only beginning to discover much of arcadia, so it would be perfectly plausable they didn't have the knowledge).
> If Ramirez has some link it would be a safe bet that Galcian at least
> would know as well, and if they did surely they would have exploited
> it.
Hey, it was you who said Galcian was reincarnated as a looper in the dark rift. And there may have been little more to exploit than what Ramirez and Galcian (arguaby) did exploit.
The dark moon is too much of an unknown quantity to pin down what everyone did or didn't know, and could or couldn't exploit from it.
> Occam's Razor would point to the answer being no, there is no
> evidence to suggest there was a civilisation, a moon stone suggests
> the extinction of a black moon, but there's nothing for a
> civilisation. Therefore one does not exist.
There was scant evidence of the Silvite continent before it popped up there.
And we know very little of the world of deep sky.
Even if a civilisation doesn't exist 'now' (current skies time), that doesn't show that it never did..
> You could argue that because it could
> cut light it was opposed to light, and therefore dark, but the fact
> it was crafted by the Silvites and is called the Light Blade suggests
> otherwise.
All the other weapons could be aligned with any crystal.
> It's far more likely the 'dark' part simply refers to the fact that
> he is evil, and evil is associated with darkness. Also Zelos, the
> Silvites and therefore the silver moon were the cause of the rains of
> destruction, and therefore could be reffered to as 'dark' as they
> were the cause of the most evil act.
It's stretching it a bit.
There are two alternatives:
1) When he says 'dark moon', he's actually talking about the dark moon.
2) When he says 'dark moon', he actually doesn't mean the dark moon, but a different moon, that can be considered 'dark' by a long-winded metaphore.
You seem very closed-minded about the whole thing. Your post is full of 'can't' and 'isn't', yet all your arguments are based on supposition in the absence of anything close to conclusive evidence.
To draw firm conclusions from such feeble foundations is retarded.
It's a possibility, and a bit of fun to knock around theories. But whether you argue that the black moon is a moon and nothing else, or had/has an associated civilisation or stronger links to Ramirez, there's no certainty either way.
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