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"Anyone read the small print?"

On the back of SOCOM it say's something that implies that in the future they may start charging people to play! uh-oh.

Which raises my second point, I am a MASSIVE Final Fantasy fan and it hurts me to say i womt be getting FFXI, but pay to play is stupid!

Yea but i'd say 90% of the gamers on this site are hardcore, including myself.

I really cant wait for Syphon Filter: Omega Strain!

phi11ip wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
> Best bit? Most PS2 gamers are casual
>
> ???
>
> Where did you get that generalisation from?

There's over 50,000,000 PS2 gamers out there. They can't ALL be hardcore.

sPiKeCaSt wrote:
> I woudln't worry about any fee's for SOCOM, it will never happen,
> people would refuse to pay it and sony would lose too many customers,
> by law sony must put this to cover their backs, about costs and
> servers etc

No, it's just so that they can charge if they ever want to. If they don't tell you, they can't charge you.

FantasyMeister wrote:
> Best bit? Most PS2 gamers are casual

???

Where did you get that generalisation from?

MMORPG's i can see the point of having to pay to play but not anything else

Yea i think the pay to play MMORPG's will be the only ones with monthly fee's.

I woudln't worry about any fee's for SOCOM, it will never happen, people would refuse to pay it and sony would lose too many customers, by law sony must put this to cover their backs, about costs and servers etc

Well, the only reason (this is in answer to Fantasy Miester) i would guess is because all the games have a small print which covers them to do this legally.

How they can even think about charging a pay to play fee for Socom when they're charging almost £50 for the game is beyond belief. All they need to do is get a gun, a mask and a bag with a big dollar sign on it now if this goes ahead.

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 has been playable online for nearly 2 years now and they haven't started charging for that. Why is everyone so sure that Sony are going to start charging for their PS2 online service?

Think about it:

Unlike the XBox setup, developers foot the bill for the online segment of their games on the PS2, therefore it's up to them whether or not to include it and whether or not to charge for it. Most don't charge.

With the P2P games that WILL get released (mainly the huge MMORPGs) if they're Sony titles Sony do a 'bulk discount' via their SonyStation setup, allowing you to choose what titles you want to play and gain a discount for playing more than one.

On the whole, though, most gamers find one game they really like and then play it to death, so if it's a P2P game they're only having to pay one fee at a time. There's not that many that are going to subscribe to Star Wars: Galaxies, EverQuest Online Adventures and Final Fantasy XI all at the same time, not because of the cost but because of the nature of these games, you've only really got time to play one.

Best bit? Most PS2 gamers are casual, therefore won't be using their network adaptors much, hence why Sony couldn't get away with charging £40 a year just for providing network capability for their PS2.

Jive wrote:
> Err...isn't that exactly what I said?

Yes.

Yes it was.

MS charge yearly and have got quite a few online games. Although EA have refused to support it because they want to charge fees per month.

Maybe this game will stay free, but look to the future.

I see charges.

And lots of them.