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Fri 19/10/01 at 17:11
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Who is really "in the lead"?. Nintendo fans are all foaming out of th mouth at the sight of their favourite franchises coming to the Gamecube, Microsoft fans know that they have the most powerful console ever, almost in their grasp, and Sony fans are more than content with what they have and even more content on what is coming, so who is in the best position to take advantage?

Nintendo have been doing the rounds lately, there are loads of very hi-res screenshots and videos coming and showing that the system can look pretty, but the gameplay leaves a lot to be desired. Every Nintndo fan thinks that the new Nintendo games will shatter the earth and make everyone else look just a bit silly. This has been due to a massive showing from Nintendo at most of this year's major trade shows. At E3, everyone exlaimed at how much Nintendo had done with their systems, although, there is an expectation around Nintendo to provide this earth-shattering new experience, but I believe that many new Gamecube owners will be just as disappointed as some early PS2 owners were. The thing with Nintendo is that is seems to have developed a die hard, core following. These people will never buy anything but a Nintendo games system, and preach the word af the Nintendo faith, but it has a flaw. Just like the emperors new clothes, they tell us how pretty things are, and how good they will be but somewhow, no one can actually see anything solid in front of them, they have been duped. Zelda will be, another Zelda game, true to the very core of every Zelda game ever, and still trying it's best to emulate the success of the Snes version. Mario, will be another Nintendo platformer, maybe a couple of new puzzles, but nothing absolutely out of the blue that has never been done before. Luigi's mansion has little in the way of content, and isn't really being taken seriously by many. Last but not lesat, you come to the gorgeous Rogue Leader II. This game is a generic Star Wars flyer, it is prettier than any before, but it doesn't do anything new, I'm a fan of these games, so I am looking forward to seeing this one running, but it isn't exactly an earth shattering new experience.

Then there was Microsoft, the company who doesn't really know what to do next. They look at the money generated by the console industry, and agree that taking a share of the spoils would be nice. So they make a console, and try to go for the same stance as Sony. Nintendo have more or less a strangle hold over the younger gaming market, and Sony are very dominant in the 18+ area, so where does this leave Microsoft? They have nothing really to define their market. As a first party developer, they have absolutely nothing to go on. Very little comes out of Microsoft and succeeds on the PC as it is, so what did they expect from the Xbox? Well, third party support, and they got it, in bucket loads. But third party support doesn't define a console, it;s the first party game which show the direction the company is headed in. Admittedly the Xbox will have the strongest launch line up of any of the new consoles, with some well established licences making their way over, and looking better than ever before, but gamers don't really care about content, Sony have more than shown that. What Microsoft needed to do was beat people that their own game. They needed to show that they were just as good as, and then better than the competition. All they have managed to do, os make some very public mistakes, and show that at bestm they can match the output by the other two, this gives them a problem. Why will consumers leave their well eastablished brand for something else which is "just as good"?

Now we come to Sony. They have a well documented and serious line of difficulties, problems and failures with the Playstation 2, but the gamers didn't care. They have had a fairly lacklustre and slow initial year of launch, but the gamers didn't care. Sony have a massive share of the market, with an installed user base of Playstations, PSOnes and PS2 hitting almost 60% of the hardware market share. What Sony do have as a benefit over the rest is content imminent. The Internet will be upon us within mere months on th ePS2, and it is shaping up to be outstanding. With the Dreamcast the interent was never really pushed further than it was with the PC already, but with the PS2, companies are looking at the possibilities of broadband, and it is shaping up to have some outstanding content providers and online gaming capabilites. They also have excellent first party game production right acroos the world. This localised games production gives Sony a brilliant strategy point, their games can be tailored to appeal to different cultures. Sony also have a trump card with third party support, it's quite simple, no one else has just that much third party developer support. There is also the diversity and originality of the games, if you look at the games slated for PS2 release, most of the genre defining and new experiences will appear in the PS2. True their may be a lot of sequels, but no more than will be found on the Gamecube. So for all round, brilliant old school and new boundary pushing, Sony has what it takes to keep the PS2 at the top for a while.
Sat 20/10/01 at 16:01
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Rougue Leader 2 (or whatever) is supposed to be so poor that Miyamoto won't release any preview code or shot video clips in longer than 2 second cuts.
Sat 20/10/01 at 15:56
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I don't have a need to cuss the Gamecube, and I amn't cussing the Gamecube hardware. As Capcom have shown, the system is a very capable of producing outstanding quality visuals. The quality of the games comes from the standard of the developer, and the Gamecube does have some very high quality games. However, there still isn't anything I have seen on the Gamecube which would make me consider buying one. Even if the games for the Gamecube were coming out on the PS2, I wouldn't consider buying them.

As for the standard of the games for the PS2, the only comparisons I see people making are with games which were released with the PS2 at launch. There will have been 16 months between the launch of the Playstation 2, and the launch of the Gamecube, so what you can really say about SSX is, Nintendo fans will have had to wait 16 months to play a game of the quality of SSX. As for it taking the PS2 a year to get a game as good as some of the Gamecube launch titles, have you seriously lost the plot that much? SSX, GT3, Onimusha Warlords, Extermination, F1 2001, Timesplitters, Zone of the Enders and Starfighter are just as good, and much better in some cases, as the games sceduled for release with the Gamecube, possibly in March. By that time the Playstation 2 will also have Metal Gear solid 2, Final Fantasy X, Herdy Gerdy, Grand Theft Auto 3, Silent Hill 2, Devil May Cry, Ace Combat 4, Tony Hawks 3, WWF Smackdown 3, several Sega games, Rez, James Bond: Agent Under Fire, Timesplitters 2, Deus X, Half Life, Twisted Metal: Black, Kinetica, Wipeout Fusion, and many many more. The only two games from the Gamecube I would like to see added to that list are Pikmin and Rogue Leader 2, the rest, just don't appeal to me whatsoever.
Sat 20/10/01 at 15:51
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I think that I can more or less agree with Turbonutter on that one.

I guess it's down to your personal style really...
Sat 20/10/01 at 15:41
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I can very definitely see Sony selling more than Nintendo, but that's not to say they're better.
Sat 20/10/01 at 15:32
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And you told me that you weren't an anti Nintendo preacher...


Bonus wrote:

> Wave Race is comparable to SSX

But we have had that
> game for over a year, and the sequel will be on both the PS2 and the Gamecube by
> the GC release. The PS2 will also have 3 jet-ski games, with Splashdown looking
> outstanding.

So it's taken the PS2 over a year to get a game of the quality of the Gamecube launch, and that's only assuming that it's as good in the other departments such as playability and course design etc.

And it's only a minor launch game.

I wrote:

Luigi's Mansion is incredibly
> original (and puts the
> PS2's launch to shame in that area).

Bonus wrote:

So it isn't a rip off of a scene in
> Casper: The Friendly Ghost when the guy sucks the ghosts up with a hoover,
> original? Rubbish.

Are you getting desperate for cusses or something?
Is that the best you can come up with?
You could do that to most original games.
Please don't be so stupid.
I aid:
It wasn't overly
> ground breaking or genre defining
> but it wasn't meant to be. Simply a nice
> quality game to play, a quick
> breath of fresh air, something original and
> new.
The only complaints I've
> heard is that it doesn't last long enough.

Bonus then said:
If it was on the PS2 it would be
> slated as being another short pointless waste of a game, the bias against the
> PS2 in this area is unbelievable

Possibly. But it's the same both ways.
If a gam like Luigi's Mansion had appeared on the PS2 then you'd have raved about it like theirs now tomorrow.
It's just as original as that herdy gerdy you like the look of so much...
Likewise, you'd have lapped up Wave Race and Monkey Ball too.

I went on to say:
And
> then there's Monkey Ball.
Screams
> Fun, Originality, and Multiplayer in your
> ear.
It's a surperb long
> lasting game (the first one I'll buy) and despite
> being a 3 year old
> arcade conversion it's absolutley brilliant.

This a
> brilliant
> combination of titles that shouts "quality over quantity"
> and
> gives a great range for just 3 games.
Just one of these games should
> easily
> last a gamer until the next wave come out.

And I know that
> Monkey Ball is
> also coming to the PS2 but I'm certain that it won't truly
> be appreciated in the
> same way.

So Bonus remarked:
Yes, it's a Sega game also coming to
> the PS2, but I really don;t see the point in buying it. It's no more than an
> arcade game, and arcade games in my opinion should stay in the arcade where they
> are worth £1 a go, but not £40 quid to own infinately.

Like I said:
"Monkey Ball is also coming to the PS2 but the it'll never be appreciated on that platform."
As you can see, I was right.

I was keeping my bias to a minimum in saying:
There's
> not been anything yet that makes it worth selling your PS2
> for but it's
> early days yet.

But Bonus let his out and said:
Equally, there isn't a game yet which would make me even
> consider owning a Gamecube, especially with the brilliant games heading to the
> PS2.

He clearly dismissed most of them and looked for the worst in them in every case.
This shows in every single argument he's made about the 3 launch titles.
What makes him so desperate to cuss the Gamecube?
Heaven knows...

When I pointed out:
As for the PS2's huge advantage in Third Party
> support, that's
> because it's the only system around.

Bonus yelled:
Rubbish, the PS2 third party support is
> a fall back to the success of Sony at courting third parties with the PSOne, and
> the catastrophic failures on the part of Nintendo and Sega when faced with a new
> competitor. Third parties have seen the PSOne grow from one success to another,
> and despite the early problems with the PS2, it's sales look set to diminish and
> dwarf that of the PSOne.

Alright, you're right too, but what I said wasn't rubbish, they're both equally true. And when there's a new alternative to devellop for they will jump for it.
The PS2 has the advantage in more machines in homes but what else?
the Gamecube and Xbox are far more develloper friendly.

So I brought to everyone's attention:
Once the others are
> released then the titles
> will roll.
And devellopers may start to get ticked off
> with the PS2's
> awkwardness.

I say "May"...

You can never predict
> what
> happens in the Game industry.

Resident Evil becoming Gamecube
>
> exclusive?

Unbelivably, Bonus came up with:
That was strange, but with Capcom having massive successes with
> other franchises on the PS2, they could afford to move Resi to Nintendo.
> Onimusha and Devil May Cry have the potential to outdo Resi, without
> fail.

And I thought that I was the one who lived in Cloud Cuckoo land...
So they thought they had enough money that they could throw away the RE franchise?
they decided to compete with their own franchise?
Your theories get sillier by the second.
Capcom said a several times that they prefer the Gamecube greatly to the PS2.
And when they Gamecube takes off, they'll start bringing more good games to it such as the Devil May Cry.

Another example of unpredictable events:
Sony dropping the price of the PS2 to 200?

According to Bonus though:
That was seen coming, it
> is inevitable that console prices will drop, and the PS2 had to drop in price
> before this christam to stamp it;s authority in europe, and try to encourage
> sales in HDDs and ethernet adaptors.

Yeah, but no one realistically was expecting such a radical drop so soon.

You never know what'll
> happen
> next...

sony dominates the next decade of computer games...........

LOL @ the stupid idea!
Then again, that's as unpredictable as it gets! :-D
Sat 20/10/01 at 14:56
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Posts: 6,492
Strafex wrote:
> Wave Race is comparable to SSX

But we have had that game for over a year, and the sequel will be on both the PS2 and the Gamecube by the GC release. The PS2 will also have 3 jet-ski games, with Splashdown looking outstanding.


Luigi's Mansion is incredibly
> original (and puts the PS2's launch to shame in that area).


So it isn't a rip off of a scene in Casper: The Friendly Ghost when the guy sucks the ghosts up with a hoover, original? Rubbish.

It wasn't overly
> ground breaking or genre defining but it wasn't meant to be. Simply a nice
> quality game to play, a quick breath of fresh air, something original and
> new.
The only complaints I've heard is that it doesn't last long enough.

If it was on the PS2 it would be slated as being another short pointless waste of a game, the bias against the PS2 in this area is unbelievable

And
> then there's Monkey Ball.
Screams Fun, Originality, and Multiplayer in your
> ear.
It's a surperb long lasting game (the first one I'll buy) and despite
> being a 3 year old arcade conversion it's absolutley brilliant.

This a
> brilliant combination of titles that shouts "quality over quantity"
> and gives a great range for just 3 games.
Just one of these games should easily
> last a gamer until the next wave come out.

And I know that Monkey Ball is
> also coming to the PS2 but I'm certain that it won't truly be appreciated in the
> same way.

Yes, it's a Sega game also coming to the PS2, but I really don;t see the point in buying it. It's no more than an arcade game, and arcade games in my opinion should stay in the arcade where they are worth £1 a go, but not £40 quid to own infinately.

There's not been anything yet that makes it worth selling your PS2
> for but it's early days yet.

Equally, there isn't a game yet which would make me even consider owning a Gamecube, especially with the brilliant games heading to the PS2.

As for the PS2's huge advantage in Third Party
> support, that's because it's the only system around.

Rubbish, the PS2 third party support is a fall back to the success of Sony at courting third parties with the PSOne, and the catastrophic failures on the part of Nintendo and Sega when faced with a new competitor. Third parties have seen the PSOne grow from one success to another, and despite the early problems with the PS2, it's sales look set to diminish and dwarf that of the PSOne.
Once the others are
> released then the titles will roll.
And devellopers may start to get ticked off
> with the PS2's awkwardness.

I say "May"...

You can never predict
> what happens in the Game industry.

Resident Evil becoming Gamecube
> exclusive?

That was strange, but with Capcom having massive successes with other franchises on the PS2, they could afford to move Resi to Nintendo. Onimusha and Devil May Cry have the potential to outdo Resi, without fail.

Sony dropping the price of the PS2 to 200?

That was seen coming, it is inevitable that console prices will drop, and the PS2 had to drop in price before this christam to stamp it;s authority in europe, and try to encourage sales in HDDs and ethernet adaptors.
You never know what'll


> happen next...

sony dominates the next decade of computer games...........
Sat 20/10/01 at 14:28
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Bonus wrote:
> Goatboy wrote:
Arguing over which is better is like trying to argue over who
> has nice
> hair.


You have a mullet, your biased.

lol
Sat 20/10/01 at 14:25
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Goatboy wrote:
Arguing over which is better is like trying to argue over who has nice
> hair.


You have a mullet, your biased.
Sat 20/10/01 at 02:46
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All of the consoles are excellent if you like them, and all are bad if you dont.

Arguing over which is better is like trying to argue over who has nice hair.

It's all relative.
Sat 20/10/01 at 00:36
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Devvies will never get ticked off by the PS2 because they all know how to use it now. They all say that after a few initial teething problems, they know how to use it now and can do things competently. Hence, Smuggler's Run 2 now having a far more advanced physics engine and and the graphics being over (factually) twice as good.

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