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Who is really "in the lead"?. Nintendo fans are all foaming out of th mouth at the sight of their favourite franchises coming to the Gamecube, Microsoft fans know that they have the most powerful console ever, almost in their grasp, and Sony fans are more than content with what they have and even more content on what is coming, so who is in the best position to take advantage?
Nintendo have been doing the rounds lately, there are loads of very hi-res screenshots and videos coming and showing that the system can look pretty, but the gameplay leaves a lot to be desired. Every Nintndo fan thinks that the new Nintendo games will shatter the earth and make everyone else look just a bit silly. This has been due to a massive showing from Nintendo at most of this year's major trade shows. At E3, everyone exlaimed at how much Nintendo had done with their systems, although, there is an expectation around Nintendo to provide this earth-shattering new experience, but I believe that many new Gamecube owners will be just as disappointed as some early PS2 owners were. The thing with Nintendo is that is seems to have developed a die hard, core following. These people will never buy anything but a Nintendo games system, and preach the word af the Nintendo faith, but it has a flaw. Just like the emperors new clothes, they tell us how pretty things are, and how good they will be but somewhow, no one can actually see anything solid in front of them, they have been duped. Zelda will be, another Zelda game, true to the very core of every Zelda game ever, and still trying it's best to emulate the success of the Snes version. Mario, will be another Nintendo platformer, maybe a couple of new puzzles, but nothing absolutely out of the blue that has never been done before. Luigi's mansion has little in the way of content, and isn't really being taken seriously by many. Last but not lesat, you come to the gorgeous Rogue Leader II. This game is a generic Star Wars flyer, it is prettier than any before, but it doesn't do anything new, I'm a fan of these games, so I am looking forward to seeing this one running, but it isn't exactly an earth shattering new experience.
Then there was Microsoft, the company who doesn't really know what to do next. They look at the money generated by the console industry, and agree that taking a share of the spoils would be nice. So they make a console, and try to go for the same stance as Sony. Nintendo have more or less a strangle hold over the younger gaming market, and Sony are very dominant in the 18+ area, so where does this leave Microsoft? They have nothing really to define their market. As a first party developer, they have absolutely nothing to go on. Very little comes out of Microsoft and succeeds on the PC as it is, so what did they expect from the Xbox? Well, third party support, and they got it, in bucket loads. But third party support doesn't define a console, it;s the first party game which show the direction the company is headed in. Admittedly the Xbox will have the strongest launch line up of any of the new consoles, with some well established licences making their way over, and looking better than ever before, but gamers don't really care about content, Sony have more than shown that. What Microsoft needed to do was beat people that their own game. They needed to show that they were just as good as, and then better than the competition. All they have managed to do, os make some very public mistakes, and show that at bestm they can match the output by the other two, this gives them a problem. Why will consumers leave their well eastablished brand for something else which is "just as good"?
Now we come to Sony. They have a well documented and serious line of difficulties, problems and failures with the Playstation 2, but the gamers didn't care. They have had a fairly lacklustre and slow initial year of launch, but the gamers didn't care. Sony have a massive share of the market, with an installed user base of Playstations, PSOnes and PS2 hitting almost 60% of the hardware market share. What Sony do have as a benefit over the rest is content imminent. The Internet will be upon us within mere months on th ePS2, and it is shaping up to be outstanding. With the Dreamcast the interent was never really pushed further than it was with the PC already, but with the PS2, companies are looking at the possibilities of broadband, and it is shaping up to have some outstanding content providers and online gaming capabilites. They also have excellent first party game production right acroos the world. This localised games production gives Sony a brilliant strategy point, their games can be tailored to appeal to different cultures. Sony also have a trump card with third party support, it's quite simple, no one else has just that much third party developer support. There is also the diversity and originality of the games, if you look at the games slated for PS2 release, most of the genre defining and new experiences will appear in the PS2. True their may be a lot of sequels, but no more than will be found on the Gamecube. So for all round, brilliant old school and new boundary pushing, Sony has what it takes to keep the PS2 at the top for a while.
Nintendo have been doing the rounds lately, there are loads of very hi-res screenshots and videos coming and showing that the system can look pretty, but the gameplay leaves a lot to be desired. Every Nintndo fan thinks that the new Nintendo games will shatter the earth and make everyone else look just a bit silly. This has been due to a massive showing from Nintendo at most of this year's major trade shows. At E3, everyone exlaimed at how much Nintendo had done with their systems, although, there is an expectation around Nintendo to provide this earth-shattering new experience, but I believe that many new Gamecube owners will be just as disappointed as some early PS2 owners were. The thing with Nintendo is that is seems to have developed a die hard, core following. These people will never buy anything but a Nintendo games system, and preach the word af the Nintendo faith, but it has a flaw. Just like the emperors new clothes, they tell us how pretty things are, and how good they will be but somewhow, no one can actually see anything solid in front of them, they have been duped. Zelda will be, another Zelda game, true to the very core of every Zelda game ever, and still trying it's best to emulate the success of the Snes version. Mario, will be another Nintendo platformer, maybe a couple of new puzzles, but nothing absolutely out of the blue that has never been done before. Luigi's mansion has little in the way of content, and isn't really being taken seriously by many. Last but not lesat, you come to the gorgeous Rogue Leader II. This game is a generic Star Wars flyer, it is prettier than any before, but it doesn't do anything new, I'm a fan of these games, so I am looking forward to seeing this one running, but it isn't exactly an earth shattering new experience.
Then there was Microsoft, the company who doesn't really know what to do next. They look at the money generated by the console industry, and agree that taking a share of the spoils would be nice. So they make a console, and try to go for the same stance as Sony. Nintendo have more or less a strangle hold over the younger gaming market, and Sony are very dominant in the 18+ area, so where does this leave Microsoft? They have nothing really to define their market. As a first party developer, they have absolutely nothing to go on. Very little comes out of Microsoft and succeeds on the PC as it is, so what did they expect from the Xbox? Well, third party support, and they got it, in bucket loads. But third party support doesn't define a console, it;s the first party game which show the direction the company is headed in. Admittedly the Xbox will have the strongest launch line up of any of the new consoles, with some well established licences making their way over, and looking better than ever before, but gamers don't really care about content, Sony have more than shown that. What Microsoft needed to do was beat people that their own game. They needed to show that they were just as good as, and then better than the competition. All they have managed to do, os make some very public mistakes, and show that at bestm they can match the output by the other two, this gives them a problem. Why will consumers leave their well eastablished brand for something else which is "just as good"?
Now we come to Sony. They have a well documented and serious line of difficulties, problems and failures with the Playstation 2, but the gamers didn't care. They have had a fairly lacklustre and slow initial year of launch, but the gamers didn't care. Sony have a massive share of the market, with an installed user base of Playstations, PSOnes and PS2 hitting almost 60% of the hardware market share. What Sony do have as a benefit over the rest is content imminent. The Internet will be upon us within mere months on th ePS2, and it is shaping up to be outstanding. With the Dreamcast the interent was never really pushed further than it was with the PC already, but with the PS2, companies are looking at the possibilities of broadband, and it is shaping up to have some outstanding content providers and online gaming capabilites. They also have excellent first party game production right acroos the world. This localised games production gives Sony a brilliant strategy point, their games can be tailored to appeal to different cultures. Sony also have a trump card with third party support, it's quite simple, no one else has just that much third party developer support. There is also the diversity and originality of the games, if you look at the games slated for PS2 release, most of the genre defining and new experiences will appear in the PS2. True their may be a lot of sequels, but no more than will be found on the Gamecube. So for all round, brilliant old school and new boundary pushing, Sony has what it takes to keep the PS2 at the top for a while.
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I know that Blaze have said they can't make G-Surfers for the GameCube because it can't handle the maths.
Steering too quick?!
Pah! You tap it and it goes flying off the track! I must have gone into the 'pit' about 5 times unintentionally!
I like the car on the left of the Viper in the car selection screen... that's quite cool... and the way the sun shines through the fake, same thickness, badly programmed 'trees' on the alpine mountainy track with the chicane at or near the start!
Still.... Nintendo are working on a racer, and by golly it will run like clockwork... perfect graphics...
By the way... you know the GT3 graphics and the Final Fantasy graphics... can those be done on the gamecube... Just curious, because there is a massive difference in the type of graphics in the screen shots for PS2 and GC games...
Game
Pah! You tap it and it goes flying off the track! I must have gone into the 'pit' about 5 times unintentionally!
I like the car on the left of the Viper in the car selection screen... that's quite cool... and the way the sun shines through the fake, same thickness, badly programmed 'trees' on the alpine mountainy track with the chicane at or near the start!
Still.... Nintendo are working on a racer, and by golly it will run like clockwork... perfect graphics...
By the way... you know the GT3 graphics and the Final Fantasy graphics... can those be done on the gamecube... Just curious, because there is a massive difference in the type of graphics in the screen shots for PS2 and GC games...
Game
The game varies too much anyway!
I managed two laps of Super Speedway with a 206 easily, but when it came to those bloody rally cars!... Damn... look out spectators!
And I can drive... about 300yrds with my Titleist 975d's :D
I managed two laps of Super Speedway with a 206 easily, but when it came to those bloody rally cars!... Damn... look out spectators!
And I can drive... about 300yrds with my Titleist 975d's :D
> The Game wrote:
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but
>
> that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place
Sorry, but it's far from
> perfect!
Thats you, you can't drive :-D
The handling is near perfect, The reason your going all over the place is because your steering too quick, remember the analog is ultra sensitive and if you turn too fast in any car your tyres aren't facing the right way causing you to skid. Steer gently and it won't go "all over the place" or just go back to super circuit.
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but
>
> that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place
Sorry, but it's far from
> perfect!
Thats you, you can't drive :-D
The handling is near perfect, The reason your going all over the place is because your steering too quick, remember the analog is ultra sensitive and if you turn too fast in any car your tyres aren't facing the right way causing you to skid. Steer gently and it won't go "all over the place" or just go back to super circuit.
Turbonutter wrote:
> The thing is, most Nintendo games TEND to be quite lethargic and just generally
> actionless. Even Zelda had a disappointing amount of fighting in it.
So you don't like Zelda because it wasn't completely all out action all the way through, but defend GT3 when people call it boring for having now car damage.
If you don't like Final Fantasy then it's understandable.
you don't really care for storyline led games.
Otherwise, you're just being biased and subconisously hold something against Zelda which you looked for as you couldn't own the game.
it happens from time to time.
> The thing is, most Nintendo games TEND to be quite lethargic and just generally
> actionless. Even Zelda had a disappointing amount of fighting in it.
So you don't like Zelda because it wasn't completely all out action all the way through, but defend GT3 when people call it boring for having now car damage.
If you don't like Final Fantasy then it's understandable.
you don't really care for storyline led games.
Otherwise, you're just being biased and subconisously hold something against Zelda which you looked for as you couldn't own the game.
it happens from time to time.
The Game wrote:
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but
> that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place
Sorry, but it's far from perfect!
Emmm, I think this is more a case of you being crap' at the game. :D the handling and physics are brilliant, obviously racing a car on standard road tyres just ins't going to be as good as racing on full racing tyres (which you have to save up and buy.)
Now lets take a Nintedno
> racer... Donkey Kong Racing... I dont see GT3 cars getting bigger everytime you
> feed them food!
Emmm, not bigger, but like in the real world you can upgrade certain elements of the cars and make them faster and handle better, you don't see people racing on the backs of wild animals everyday though.....
AND you can't jump out of a Viper and into an Impreza mid
> race!
And you would want to get out of a Viper???
:D
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but
> that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place
Sorry, but it's far from perfect!
Emmm, I think this is more a case of you being crap' at the game. :D the handling and physics are brilliant, obviously racing a car on standard road tyres just ins't going to be as good as racing on full racing tyres (which you have to save up and buy.)
Now lets take a Nintedno
> racer... Donkey Kong Racing... I dont see GT3 cars getting bigger everytime you
> feed them food!
Emmm, not bigger, but like in the real world you can upgrade certain elements of the cars and make them faster and handle better, you don't see people racing on the backs of wild animals everyday though.....
AND you can't jump out of a Viper and into an Impreza mid
> race!
And you would want to get out of a Viper???
:D
Bonus wrote:
> I don't think I did, Super Monkey Ball will be on the PS2, I wont buy it. There
> are several Jetski games coming to the PS2, I wont by any of them. And as for
> Luigi;s mansion, I just have no interest in the game whatsoever, I have watched
> all the videos on IGN for the game, and I don't see anything in the game which
> would make me want to buy it.
you probably decided you didn't like Monkey Ball BEFROE it was announced for the PS2, subconsiously without realising it. Perhaps you'd like it if you played it.
Luigi's Mansion, you've taken the attitude that i've taken to herdy Gerdy - interesting idea but I couldn't care less.
Everyone has a subconsious bias that affects their view.
If they know that they have no way of getting the game then they won't really care about it as much as if it was one they could get.
> I don't think I did, Super Monkey Ball will be on the PS2, I wont buy it. There
> are several Jetski games coming to the PS2, I wont by any of them. And as for
> Luigi;s mansion, I just have no interest in the game whatsoever, I have watched
> all the videos on IGN for the game, and I don't see anything in the game which
> would make me want to buy it.
you probably decided you didn't like Monkey Ball BEFROE it was announced for the PS2, subconsiously without realising it. Perhaps you'd like it if you played it.
Luigi's Mansion, you've taken the attitude that i've taken to herdy Gerdy - interesting idea but I couldn't care less.
Everyone has a subconsious bias that affects their view.
If they know that they have no way of getting the game then they won't really care about it as much as if it was one they could get.
Bonus wrote:
> Which Zelda are you talking about?? OOT had a lot of walking around in a field,
> and it was boring, but Link's Awakening is class.
OOT. Wasn't Link's Adventure on the GB?
> Which Zelda are you talking about?? OOT had a lot of walking around in a field,
> and it was boring, but Link's Awakening is class.
OOT. Wasn't Link's Adventure on the GB?
You've got to admit it... Nintendo are good...
So, the games may lack something for SOME older gamers but to make a ship-load of money you have to be good at business!
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place, the soundtrack is crap, they use loads of multi-coloured cars so you can't actually see the thing properly... there are only two views...... and the decent cars that you can contol are Mercedez type thingys and they only go at 135kmh! - How realistic - I think not!
Sorry, but it's far from perfect!
Now lets take a Nintedno racer... Donkey Kong Racing... I dont see GT3 cars getting bigger everytime you feed them food! AND you can't jump out of a Viper and into an Impreza mid race!
:D
So, the games may lack something for SOME older gamers but to make a ship-load of money you have to be good at business!
I played GT3 yesterday and it's crap... i'm sorry, but that's my opinion... the cars go all over the place, the soundtrack is crap, they use loads of multi-coloured cars so you can't actually see the thing properly... there are only two views...... and the decent cars that you can contol are Mercedez type thingys and they only go at 135kmh! - How realistic - I think not!
Sorry, but it's far from perfect!
Now lets take a Nintedno racer... Donkey Kong Racing... I dont see GT3 cars getting bigger everytime you feed them food! AND you can't jump out of a Viper and into an Impreza mid race!
:D
That's the thing. For most of you it was, and therefore most other Nintendo games will be like that.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
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