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"Nu-Metal Vs Old Metal"

Hooplah wrote:
> I think that Big bald shouty metal should have a fight with not so big Nu Metal,
> sort of like a dance off - but with intense shouting and finger pointing.

It
> has so much more to offer the dysfunctional youth of today as well. Real anger
> is so much better than contrived moaning if your parents don't understand.

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Exactly.
I would rather have Pantera bloke looking annoyed and screaming about respect and strength than a 30yr old record exec millionaire rapping about "my generation".
A big dance-off, but with more testosterone and pointing would rock.
Like the MJ "Bad" video, but better.

On one side:
Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach etc bleating about "Life is hard/Parents hate you/School is mean".

On the other side?
Pantera, Biohazard, Henry Rollins shouting about "Getting yours/payback/destroy with words"

Posing, baggy-shorts wearing nancy-boy gimp bands Vs Bald, tattooed, angry men with stubble and tattoos.

Anyone that thinks Limp Bizkit are "rock" and "aggresive music to clean your bedroom to", do me a favour and go and buy "A Vulgar Display of Power" by Pantera.
Christ, even the song titles ooze hardness.

Mouth for War
Walk
New Level
Rise
F****ng Hostile
By Demons be Driven

Pantera would yank Fred Durst's pants down and spank his little pink bottom with a spiky slipper any day of the week.
Stop wearing big shorts and hoodies, sulking in your bedroom because your mum says it's too dark to play outside.

Instead, welcome Pantera/Biohazard/Prong/Pro-Pain into your life and discover what truly shouty man-metal is about.

Failing that, buy the t-shirt and shorts and "jump around".

Bald Shouty Metal Rules.

Goatboy wrote:

If you like the rap, why dont people get into hip-hop?
Why not
> get Public Enemy (who were doing this cross-over stuff 10 years ago with
> Anthrax), Disposable Heroes, Dilated Peoples etc and listen to the
> real-deal?

Agreed. Dilated People are awesome. Limp Bizkit are not. It seems so simple.

While there are loads of great loud guitar bands, the only truly great 'metal' band were The Wildhearts. Most of it is frankly rather pitiful.

misterhappy wrote:
Which are people more like
> to prefer, young, featureless automatons, or angry, enigmatic dynamos. Sad isn't
> it?

Indeed it is.
The days of going to see bands like The Jesus Lizard at local venues is dead. Spontaneous, electric atmosphere rock has been replaced with arena-rock niceness.
Limp Bizkit have a stage-show with a giant robot y'know.

It's nonsense.
I've seen Limp Bizkit before, they supported Soulfly when nobody cared who they were. They were ok, a 30 min set in The Astoria and "Faith" was funny.
Then Soulfly came on.
Max Cavalera et al, passionate, furious, tribal rock that blew your ears off and left you slack-jawed at the visceral power they had.

Limp Bizkit...Linkin Park...
Pants.
If you like the rap, why dont people get into hip-hop?
Why not get Public Enemy (who were doing this cross-over stuff 10 years ago with Anthrax), Disposable Heroes, Dilated Peoples etc and listen to the real-deal?

I know it's only rock and roll and I like it...

Ben Folds - Rockin' the Suburbs

Sums it all up for me :-)

Last two days I was on Geography trip spending most time on bus... everyone had their personal CD Players/Mini Disc etc with them.

Many a conversation was talked about music usually me and my mate David starting it.

So I'm sitting there at aisle seat, mate David on other side, mate Alan next to me and behind us are four birds who are big phonny gits.

So I'm sitting there listening to Radiohead/Manics/Blur/Beatles, friend David same. Mate Alan who is Nirvana fan starts talking about rubbish. The the four behind as have Limp Bizkit/ Linkin Park/ Papa Roach/ Sum 41/ Spineshank/ SlipKnot etc

Ah need to go...

To be continuted

Nu-Metal = Sucks
My music = Rocks

Ah thank you :-D

Goaty... How naive! Do you not think that the record execs hadn't thought of this already?

Here's the evidence... Look at the current trend for a high number of band members, I mean linkin park have 7 members or so, this includes the master stroke of having DJs in Nu-metal bands, guys who do sod-all but would be ready to fight if challenged by old schoolers. Then look at Freddy boy, ole red cap isn't stupid, he knows that he has to surround himself with beefy bandmates, same for Papa Roach. They have been preparing for the twilight of the gods all of their trauma filled lives. Old metal will be usurped by these young upstarts with their big country homes and fast cars and angst-ridden abuse-filled bourgeois pasts. Oh, and in any old vs. new battle there's always the turncoat from the old side who switches to the new side. In this case it must be Metallica, under the influence of meglomaniac Lars Ulrich.

Nu metal will destroy the old order, it's the way of things and we can't break with tradition now can we?

Let's face facts; nu-metal combines the boyband aesthetic with angst, so people can sing along to their problems angrily. Old metal is the real thing, Lemmy-esque warts and all. Which are people more like to prefer, young, featureless automatons, or angry, enigmatic dynamos. Sad isn't it?

There's no comparisson, Nu Metal is just a load of pap, I think the only good bit of Nu Metal is Korns early stuff and maybe Limp Bizkits first album, but the rest is a load of angry 30 year olds, swearing and shouting about nothing.

Yes.
Yes I am.

And no.
What I'm saying is that this nu-metal is laughable, crass-comercialism designed to liberate you from your money, not your confused teen-angst anger.
If you're going to shout and play power-chords, do it like you mean it.
Make it matter.

Papa Roach "Imagine there's no money...no posessions.."
(Oh, but go out and buy our record please so we can have more of that horrid, nasty money stuff we're telling you is bad).
Limp Bizkit "My Generation".
Fred Durst is a 30yr old millionaire record-exec that boasts "I've never read a book in my life" and sings about his generation?
I'm his generation, and I find it amusing as hell to watch him singing about "stuff to break".
Yeah Fred, life just sucks when you are the head of Interscope eh?

I find it amusing that all these bands preach about being young and not conforming, yet they all wear shorts, all have nice little tattoos and all leap about in unison.
Backstreet Boys with guitars.

Limp Bizkit are so alternative, so eager to stick it to "The Man" you can pay £20 and go see them at Wembley.
You can't get much more corporate and middle-class than that.
I saw Pantera play at The Marquee for £9.
Not because they weren't big, these guys played to 350,000 people in Russia - but because the music mattered to them, not a nice backstage area with free booze.

Biohazard played The Marquee too, with Clutch in support, they got as many people backstage as possible and let people onto their bus.
It's about a love for the music, not a desire to fleece frustrated teens by singing "Yeah school is tough/working on Saturdays for beer money is harsh".

Play rock like it matters, or call it what it is:
Pop music.

So you say that old metal is better because the bands are 'harder'?

Glad to hear it.

Stryke wrote:
> So whats your opinion of groups like Nickelback or Foo Fighters?

I think it's old fashioned, enjoyable rock and roll.
Not some posing-out, weak and fake aggressive "life sucks" wimp out girly-rock.