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I don't know if it's Nintendo or if it's just me!
Sure, I don't get excited and possessed by games quite the way I used to, but Nintendo don't make exciting games quite the way they used to either.
It started with Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion.
Great games, but very short and seemed pretty underdone.
"Fair enough," I thought "Nintendo got these out in time for the launch and are concentrating on their bigger titles."
Mario comes out.
Fantastic at first... but so shortlived and again it seemed underwhelming. Although it was a lot slicker and more playable than Mario 64, I actually found it shorter and less challenging.
Seeing as Mario 64 was Nintendo's first attempt at 3D platforming 6 years ago, you probably expect a HUGE amount of improvement in the new more powerful Gamecube.
It seemed a bit more like a spin-off.
Same with Zelda.
I wasn't put off at all by the Cel Shaded graphics.
I thought that it was a great idea.
Thing is, after develloping this super smooth, groundbreaking new game engine, Nintendo then filled it with sea, and filled the land with mostly watered down elements of previous Zelda games.
Again, the basic game engine (controls and basic gameplay and graphics) were fantastic, but when it came to designing the rest of the game, it seemed pretty much "make do".
Not such a bad thing, because they are still great games, but it's hard to believe that this is the same Nintendo that pushed to be at the very forefront of gaming, to always be a giant step ahead of anything the competition could offer.
Each of these games have shown the potential to be such a game, just not followed through.
Maybe it's our fault, like Dringo said. For years fans have been complaining about high prices and large gaps between releases, so Nintendo are now rushing, but I don't think it's JUST gamer requests...
Nintendo themselves admitted going for a more profitable marketing scheme.
Still, it's not just Nintendo's loss of enthusiesm for making great games that's causing this. I've started to go off games anyway.
I suppose after the delights of Goldeneye, nothing would ever impress in the same way, but Nintendo were still managing to impress me with Majora's Mask and Rare's Conker managed to surprise me in a way that I didn't think the N64 was still capable off.
Perhaps I overhyped to myself what the Gamecube's new power would mean for games...
And it's not just the Gamecube either.
Although I really like Halo on the Xbox, not THAT much considering the hype - not to a Goldeneye standard.
Anyways, too the point.
Whether Nintendo can't be arsed or whether I'm just growing out of games, one fact remains - new games aren't really impressing me anymore.
For some reason, I'm finding myself look to the mediocre but cheaper selection of older games.
Anyway, seeing as new games aren't really impressing me (although I expect I'll get a little fun out of the likes of Mario Kart and F-Zero), I'm looking forward to the systems death so I can pick up loads of games dirt cheap, cheaper than ever.
Quantity can make up for quality!
So erm...
what do you all think? :-S
Sure, I don't get excited and possessed by games quite the way I used to, but Nintendo don't make exciting games quite the way they used to either.
It started with Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion.
Great games, but very short and seemed pretty underdone.
"Fair enough," I thought "Nintendo got these out in time for the launch and are concentrating on their bigger titles."
Mario comes out.
Fantastic at first... but so shortlived and again it seemed underwhelming. Although it was a lot slicker and more playable than Mario 64, I actually found it shorter and less challenging.
Seeing as Mario 64 was Nintendo's first attempt at 3D platforming 6 years ago, you probably expect a HUGE amount of improvement in the new more powerful Gamecube.
It seemed a bit more like a spin-off.
Same with Zelda.
I wasn't put off at all by the Cel Shaded graphics.
I thought that it was a great idea.
Thing is, after develloping this super smooth, groundbreaking new game engine, Nintendo then filled it with sea, and filled the land with mostly watered down elements of previous Zelda games.
Again, the basic game engine (controls and basic gameplay and graphics) were fantastic, but when it came to designing the rest of the game, it seemed pretty much "make do".
Not such a bad thing, because they are still great games, but it's hard to believe that this is the same Nintendo that pushed to be at the very forefront of gaming, to always be a giant step ahead of anything the competition could offer.
Each of these games have shown the potential to be such a game, just not followed through.
Maybe it's our fault, like Dringo said. For years fans have been complaining about high prices and large gaps between releases, so Nintendo are now rushing, but I don't think it's JUST gamer requests...
Nintendo themselves admitted going for a more profitable marketing scheme.
Still, it's not just Nintendo's loss of enthusiesm for making great games that's causing this. I've started to go off games anyway.
I suppose after the delights of Goldeneye, nothing would ever impress in the same way, but Nintendo were still managing to impress me with Majora's Mask and Rare's Conker managed to surprise me in a way that I didn't think the N64 was still capable off.
Perhaps I overhyped to myself what the Gamecube's new power would mean for games...
And it's not just the Gamecube either.
Although I really like Halo on the Xbox, not THAT much considering the hype - not to a Goldeneye standard.
Anyways, too the point.
Whether Nintendo can't be arsed or whether I'm just growing out of games, one fact remains - new games aren't really impressing me anymore.
For some reason, I'm finding myself look to the mediocre but cheaper selection of older games.
Anyway, seeing as new games aren't really impressing me (although I expect I'll get a little fun out of the likes of Mario Kart and F-Zero), I'm looking forward to the systems death so I can pick up loads of games dirt cheap, cheaper than ever.
Quantity can make up for quality!
So erm...
what do you all think? :-S
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All GTA ever was, was a more urban version of Zelda with violence... Pikmin 2 will also add a new depth to proceedings.
But I reject your comments claiming Nintendo "aren't trying". Nintendo are making great efforts to keep their new franchises feeling fresh, Sunshine aside, Zelda was a massive distance... you may not see it that way but the ability to float, the use of the boat and the cel-shaded visuals did mean there was a few rather large differences over OOT. I mean OOT as a movie would be very different in style than Wind Waker was a movie. Mario Kart has been re-vitalised and not to mention the superb Metroid Prime.
Giftpia (not yet released in Europe) is such a fine display of RPG originality, the new Pacman game will add great depth to an ancient series, four swords is fantastic no matter what you may think of it, I've played it and love it. The up and coming Donkey Konga looks superb and we should certainly not forget Wario Ware. Oh and the temporary exclusive deals to those very original Capcom games.
Regarding games already released well then you obviously forgot about the short but very different Luigi's Mansion, Wario's World, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin etc... I know you may of lost your love for games, perhaps you are growing old of them.. I know I am...
But I thought that this time last year and then Sunshine came out and i fell in love with it... and then i died down again until Zelda came out. I hope Pikmin 2 and Mario Kart will do the same for me in the next year or so... games are as fun as you make them and Nintendo certainly do make them.
But I reject your comments claiming Nintendo "aren't trying". Nintendo are making great efforts to keep their new franchises feeling fresh, Sunshine aside, Zelda was a massive distance... you may not see it that way but the ability to float, the use of the boat and the cel-shaded visuals did mean there was a few rather large differences over OOT. I mean OOT as a movie would be very different in style than Wind Waker was a movie. Mario Kart has been re-vitalised and not to mention the superb Metroid Prime.
Giftpia (not yet released in Europe) is such a fine display of RPG originality, the new Pacman game will add great depth to an ancient series, four swords is fantastic no matter what you may think of it, I've played it and love it. The up and coming Donkey Konga looks superb and we should certainly not forget Wario Ware. Oh and the temporary exclusive deals to those very original Capcom games.
Regarding games already released well then you obviously forgot about the short but very different Luigi's Mansion, Wario's World, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin etc... I know you may of lost your love for games, perhaps you are growing old of them.. I know I am...
But I thought that this time last year and then Sunshine came out and i fell in love with it... and then i died down again until Zelda came out. I hope Pikmin 2 and Mario Kart will do the same for me in the next year or so... games are as fun as you make them and Nintendo certainly do make them.
Strafex wrote:
> Also, the first GTA3 was more impressive, expansive and innoative
> than anything Nintendo have come up with
>
>
> Making a living breathing city where you can wonder around at will,
> do missions if you please but mess around and do sub quests
> otherwise.
...
ZELDA?
> Also, the first GTA3 was more impressive, expansive and innoative
> than anything Nintendo have come up with
>
>
> Making a living breathing city where you can wonder around at will,
> do missions if you please but mess around and do sub quests
> otherwise.
...
ZELDA?
That's the thing.
All the Gamecube games (bar Pikmin etc) are just N64 version +, with lightweight level design.
Nintendo have lost all ambition.
They're not at the forefront and they don't excite.
I know it's not JUST Nintendo. I'm starting to lose interest in gaming altogether, but Nintendo aren't trying anymore.
Mario Sunshine was great at first, but far too easy.
It was Mario 64 with more fluid playable controls.
An Improvement but not 6 years worth.
Zelda likewise.
All the Gamecube games (bar Pikmin etc) are just N64 version +, with lightweight level design.
Nintendo have lost all ambition.
They're not at the forefront and they don't excite.
I know it's not JUST Nintendo. I'm starting to lose interest in gaming altogether, but Nintendo aren't trying anymore.
Mario Sunshine was great at first, but far too easy.
It was Mario 64 with more fluid playable controls.
An Improvement but not 6 years worth.
Zelda likewise.
Just you... the Nintendo games I'm playing now are equally as fun as the ones I played on the N64.
Your style and taste has just evolved don't diss out harsh accusations when Mario Sunshine is still the best platformer of this generation and Zelda the best adventure game.
Your style and taste has just evolved don't diss out harsh accusations when Mario Sunshine is still the best platformer of this generation and Zelda the best adventure game.
You mis-understand.
I'm not talking about Gamecube exclusives, I'm talking about Nintendo's own game making.
The best Gamecube games so far:
Smash Brothers Melee (just in multiplayer Edgy! ;-))
Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime have all come from companies other than Nintendo.
Also, the first GTA3 was more impressive, expansive and innoative than anything Nintendo have come up with (excpet maybe Pikmin which was far too short to be impressive).
Making a living breathing city where you can wonder around at will, do missions if you please but mess around and do sub quests otherwise.
Sure, the Gameplay control isn't as good as I'd like, and isn't up to Nintendo's standard but the rest is there.
It's the only reason PS2's have sold (other than the obvious hype and advertising campaigns and PSOne reputation behind it).
F-Zero is meant to be great, but Sega made that.
It's a fact. Nintendo have given up on epic games and are concentrating on smaller ones so that they make more money.
That's fair enough, but their position as Gamesmaking God's has been sacfirficed for it, so it seems...
Oh well.
All those games will be worth it cheap! :-)
I'm not talking about Gamecube exclusives, I'm talking about Nintendo's own game making.
The best Gamecube games so far:
Smash Brothers Melee (just in multiplayer Edgy! ;-))
Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime have all come from companies other than Nintendo.
Also, the first GTA3 was more impressive, expansive and innoative than anything Nintendo have come up with (excpet maybe Pikmin which was far too short to be impressive).
Making a living breathing city where you can wonder around at will, do missions if you please but mess around and do sub quests otherwise.
Sure, the Gameplay control isn't as good as I'd like, and isn't up to Nintendo's standard but the rest is there.
It's the only reason PS2's have sold (other than the obvious hype and advertising campaigns and PSOne reputation behind it).
F-Zero is meant to be great, but Sega made that.
It's a fact. Nintendo have given up on epic games and are concentrating on smaller ones so that they make more money.
That's fair enough, but their position as Gamesmaking God's has been sacfirficed for it, so it seems...
Oh well.
All those games will be worth it cheap! :-)
Strafex wrote:
> Yeah, it was fairly good fun, but as the ultimate game ever?
> Because that's what Zelda USED to mean.
I'm with you on that one. Ocarina was a lot better.
> We're not talking about sales, we're talking about enjoying the
> game.
Yes, but it seems that because of the number of sales that have taken place result in about 95% of those having fun.
> Simpsons Wrestling and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire sold VERY
> well...
Yes, however it is common knowledge that we would much rather play with a small rock than purchase one of those. Also, I am certain that Maetroid sold miles more than those two piles of crap you ust showed me.
> It IS supposed to be good, but I've still not forgiven Retro for
> making it first person (I'll buy it when the Gamecube dies and it's
> cheap! :-))
> Besides, Nintendo didn't even make this one.
Yeah they did, Metroid Prime. Retro Studios have been bought by Nintendo.
:P
> It IS repetitive in the single player mode, but fantastic in the
> multi.
> Having said that, I spent 2 years playing and mastering the N64
> original to death.
> Although it had improved a LOT (slicker, faster, more fun, more ideas
> etc...), at heart it was still the game I'd played to death.
> And Nintendo didn't make this one either (Hal did).
Hal are 1st party developers.
> It's fun but...
> I didn't really like the N64 ones, not enough to warrant buying
> anyway.
Aha, but we're not talking about N64 copies are we?
hmm?
hmm??
> Oh, they're GOOD alright.
> But back in the day, Nintendo used to blow people away and re-set the
> goalposts for gaming standards.
They still do, just because they haven't produced one for a few years doesn't mean to say that they've stopped.
> Until Mario Sunshine, each major new Mario in the series set a new
> standard for platforming.
Mario sunshine is a good laugh, and innovative.
> Now, even some third parties are close to out doing Nintendo in some
> areas.
Name one.
> The games just aren't THAT exciting nowdays.
Yeah they are, they're certainly not boring.
>
> Or maybe the likes of Edgy, Dr Duck and myself are just growing
> up...
Possibly, though you could be used to the high standard set by Nintendo.
>
> (I spent two years on here SWEARING that I'd NEVER grow up as well!
> :-S)
>
>
> Either way, as good as these games are, when the Gamecube dies, I'll
> be able to pick them up cheap, when I won't expect so much for my
> money!
>
> DIE GAMECUBE DIE! :-)
You'll be waiting a long time for that, in fact you'd probably would've gone grey and wrinkly.
> Yeah, it was fairly good fun, but as the ultimate game ever?
> Because that's what Zelda USED to mean.
I'm with you on that one. Ocarina was a lot better.
> We're not talking about sales, we're talking about enjoying the
> game.
Yes, but it seems that because of the number of sales that have taken place result in about 95% of those having fun.
> Simpsons Wrestling and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire sold VERY
> well...
Yes, however it is common knowledge that we would much rather play with a small rock than purchase one of those. Also, I am certain that Maetroid sold miles more than those two piles of crap you ust showed me.
> It IS supposed to be good, but I've still not forgiven Retro for
> making it first person (I'll buy it when the Gamecube dies and it's
> cheap! :-))
> Besides, Nintendo didn't even make this one.
Yeah they did, Metroid Prime. Retro Studios have been bought by Nintendo.
:P
> It IS repetitive in the single player mode, but fantastic in the
> multi.
> Having said that, I spent 2 years playing and mastering the N64
> original to death.
> Although it had improved a LOT (slicker, faster, more fun, more ideas
> etc...), at heart it was still the game I'd played to death.
> And Nintendo didn't make this one either (Hal did).
Hal are 1st party developers.
> It's fun but...
> I didn't really like the N64 ones, not enough to warrant buying
> anyway.
Aha, but we're not talking about N64 copies are we?
hmm?
hmm??
> Oh, they're GOOD alright.
> But back in the day, Nintendo used to blow people away and re-set the
> goalposts for gaming standards.
They still do, just because they haven't produced one for a few years doesn't mean to say that they've stopped.
> Until Mario Sunshine, each major new Mario in the series set a new
> standard for platforming.
Mario sunshine is a good laugh, and innovative.
> Now, even some third parties are close to out doing Nintendo in some
> areas.
Name one.
> The games just aren't THAT exciting nowdays.
Yeah they are, they're certainly not boring.
>
> Or maybe the likes of Edgy, Dr Duck and myself are just growing
> up...
Possibly, though you could be used to the high standard set by Nintendo.
>
> (I spent two years on here SWEARING that I'd NEVER grow up as well!
> :-S)
>
>
> Either way, as good as these games are, when the Gamecube dies, I'll
> be able to pick them up cheap, when I won't expect so much for my
> money!
>
> DIE GAMECUBE DIE! :-)
You'll be waiting a long time for that, in fact you'd probably would've gone grey and wrinkly.
Edgy wrote:
> J-42 wrote:
>
>
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
>
>
> No offence, but that's BS.
I disaggree, i think that it rocks. I had more hours of enjoyment out of that than Halo.
> J-42 wrote:
>
>
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
>
>
> No offence, but that's BS.
I disaggree, i think that it rocks. I had more hours of enjoyment out of that than Halo.
J-42 wrote:
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
>
No offence, but that's BS.
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
>
No offence, but that's BS.
J-42 wrote:
> Nintendo are by no means losing their touch. For example:
>
> Zelda, although shorter than i anticipated had some twists, the
> graphics were great, and gameplay was extremely impressive.
Yeah, it was fairly good fun, but as the ultimate game ever?
Because that's what Zelda USED to mean.
> Metroid - Not one of my favourite, never the less , it was a very
> well selling game.
We're not talking about sales, we're talking about enjoying the game.
Simpsons Wrestling and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire sold VERY well...
It IS supposed to be good, but I've still not forgiven Retro for making it first person (I'll buy it when the Gamecube dies and it's cheap! :-))
Besides, Nintendo didn't even make this one.
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
It IS repetitive in the single player mode, but fantastic in the multi.
Having said that, I spent 2 years playing and mastering the N64 original to death.
Although it had improved a LOT (slicker, faster, more fun, more ideas etc...), at heart it was still the game I'd played to death.
And Nintendo didn't make this one either (Hal did).
> Mario Part 4 - Not good one player, but multi player is fantastic.
It's fun but...
I didn't really like the N64 ones, not enough to warrant buying anyway.
> In the future there is games like Mario Kart, F ZERO, Mario Golf. I
> disagree that Nintendo are not producing good enough games.
Oh, they're GOOD alright.
But back in the day, Nintendo used to blow people away and re-set the goalposts for gaming standards.
Until Mario Sunshine, each major new Mario in the series set a new standard for platforming.
Now, even some third parties are close to out doing Nintendo in some areas.
The games just aren't THAT exciting nowdays.
Or maybe the likes of Edgy, Dr Duck and myself are just growing up...
(I spent two years on here SWEARING that I'd NEVER grow up as well! :-S)
Either way, as good as these games are, when the Gamecube dies, I'll be able to pick them up cheap, when I won't expect so much for my money!
DIE GAMECUBE DIE! :-)
> Nintendo are by no means losing their touch. For example:
>
> Zelda, although shorter than i anticipated had some twists, the
> graphics were great, and gameplay was extremely impressive.
Yeah, it was fairly good fun, but as the ultimate game ever?
Because that's what Zelda USED to mean.
> Metroid - Not one of my favourite, never the less , it was a very
> well selling game.
We're not talking about sales, we're talking about enjoying the game.
Simpsons Wrestling and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire sold VERY well...
It IS supposed to be good, but I've still not forgiven Retro for making it first person (I'll buy it when the Gamecube dies and it's cheap! :-))
Besides, Nintendo didn't even make this one.
> Super Smash Bros. Frantic fun sums it up. A huge laugh to play, and
> not repetitive, despite what some say.
It IS repetitive in the single player mode, but fantastic in the multi.
Having said that, I spent 2 years playing and mastering the N64 original to death.
Although it had improved a LOT (slicker, faster, more fun, more ideas etc...), at heart it was still the game I'd played to death.
And Nintendo didn't make this one either (Hal did).
> Mario Part 4 - Not good one player, but multi player is fantastic.
It's fun but...
I didn't really like the N64 ones, not enough to warrant buying anyway.
> In the future there is games like Mario Kart, F ZERO, Mario Golf. I
> disagree that Nintendo are not producing good enough games.
Oh, they're GOOD alright.
But back in the day, Nintendo used to blow people away and re-set the goalposts for gaming standards.
Until Mario Sunshine, each major new Mario in the series set a new standard for platforming.
Now, even some third parties are close to out doing Nintendo in some areas.
The games just aren't THAT exciting nowdays.
Or maybe the likes of Edgy, Dr Duck and myself are just growing up...
(I spent two years on here SWEARING that I'd NEVER grow up as well! :-S)
Either way, as good as these games are, when the Gamecube dies, I'll be able to pick them up cheap, when I won't expect so much for my money!
DIE GAMECUBE DIE! :-)
Dr Duck wrote:
> J-42 wrote:
> Zelda, .... shorter than i anticipated ....
>
> Metroid - Not one of my favourite, ....
>
> Super Smash Bros. not repetitive, despite what some say....
>
> Mario Part 4 - Not good one player, ....
>
>
> You don't really make a great argument... ;^)
I was commenting on my personal opinion, which is above. That doesn't make the games any worse. For instance i could hate Halo, but i'd still say it was a good game. What i think makes a good game is whether i enjoy it or not. If the vast majority enjoy Halo, i'd probably say it was a good game.
Also, there isn't oe perfect game out there, with no faults, i just happened to state some of the floors in those games. The information that backed up my point was there, so that's what mattered.
> J-42 wrote:
> Zelda, .... shorter than i anticipated ....
>
> Metroid - Not one of my favourite, ....
>
> Super Smash Bros. not repetitive, despite what some say....
>
> Mario Part 4 - Not good one player, ....
>
>
> You don't really make a great argument... ;^)
I was commenting on my personal opinion, which is above. That doesn't make the games any worse. For instance i could hate Halo, but i'd still say it was a good game. What i think makes a good game is whether i enjoy it or not. If the vast majority enjoy Halo, i'd probably say it was a good game.
Also, there isn't oe perfect game out there, with no faults, i just happened to state some of the floors in those games. The information that backed up my point was there, so that's what mattered.
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