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"RAW 2 first impressions..."

Slow, unresponsive and boring. It feels like a chore to play and it makes me glad that I have a PS2 with Smackdown 4 and the possibility of Smackdown 5. It actually feels slower than the first despite what reviews say. Graphically its gorgeous, one of the most stunning games to date, fantastic character models and a real life like feel to them.

*Struggles to compliment the game outside of the visuals*

I am completely with Sav on this one, its utter guff to be honest and I am glad its just a rental as I would be kicking myself having paid £30 for this! A few problems I have encountered so far:

1. Turned Xbox on to receive damaged disc error despite it being completely free of anything. Did it two more times and it finally worked.

2. Setting up Table to put opponent through is streesful and completely disatisfying. Tried and tried to put opponent through using Rock Bottom and when I lined it up and did it the table didn't break. The only let down with the tables in Smackdown is that you can only put them through it with 4 moves and the opponent has to be on the table, I was under the impression that in RAW 2 you could do any move and so far I have managed to put them through using a boring fishermans suplex.

*YAWN*

3. Trying to get tables etc from under the ring is a nightmare, you press the white button and nothing happens. Keep trying and within 5 minutes you might have some luck.

4. Trying to get weapons, tables etc into the ring from the outside. Once again an absolute nightmare. Pressing black makes him drop it and even though the guides say you need to be in the middle of the ring it still doesn't work.

5. Shockingly slow game engine, very unresponsive and very annoying.

6. Poor layout of controls, whoever laid the control shceme out should be shot.

There are more problems with the game than I have noted down but I will list them as they arrive. So far absolutley gutted.

Avoid!

Thats about the only 2 sites on the net which gave it a decent undeserving score. Remember IGN's review for the first RAW? 9.2? That tells you all you need to know on that side of things.

Oh and the quotes were in reply to your thrown in quotes "taken from elsewhere" as you put it.

Anyway I am off to bed as I do not wish to continue arguing. I get the feeling that you think I am doing this on purpose. Most of its is because I am angry at how good it could have been but none the less I haven't seen you defend the in game glitches and problems (there are lots of them) although lets be honest, you can't defend shoddy programming in the first place.

Hedfix wrote:
> 2. This thread is supposedly about "First Impressions" yet
> you've already written off the game.

One last thing. I have played and finished the first RAW and played this one for a couple of hours. Its enough time to realise that there isn't a magic cure for poor games development and even if there was this game is in need of some serious help.

There hasn't been a decent wrestling game since WWF something or other on the Mega Drive. Maybe that's just because I don't like wrestling that much.. Apart from the women....

It all went downhill when it became WWE anyway.

From the brief moments I had playing No Mercy if I remember rightly the engine was more like Wrestlemania on the Cube in terms of speed. Definitley not as slow or unresponsive as the one in RAW 2.

Smackdown 4 is an infinitely more enjoyable game, I seriously doubt you have played either 3 or 4 and the latter is considerably different from other Smackdown games.

Still, stick with the trend of all ignorant gamers and just critisise anything that isn't on a particuar platform. That way you can justify disasterous games like RAW 2. Its nice to know I'm not alone though, talked to a mate about 1 hour a go and he bought it and took it back within the same day.

Now you are making yourslef look like a d*ck. RAW 2 is a terrible game which is jus**t a plain rip of the firs**t RAW which borrowed from all the poor wres**tling games made before it. Its a dire game although I should have expected this response from someone who raves about Whacked and similar s**tyle games...

*Sniggers*

I bet you haven't even played Smackdown 4 or a PS2 for that matter. If the bes**t wres**tling game is on the PS2 then I will praise it as I would if it was on the Xbox.

RAW 2 isn't a decent game, its one of the wors**t which I have played this year and this is despite approaching it with a positive attitude. Oh and seeing as though you are breaking a blood vessel over a below average game I will explain the marathon joke...

Hell in a Cell I was outside with Goldberg and I ran at Undertaker trying to perform sphere (yes outside of the ring even though the s**tupid kn*bs who developed the game have s**topped players from going up the ramp) but I missed him. For a minute I thought it was a game with a decent engine and I was thinking "sh*t he is going to make me pay for that". About 7 seconds later (the time it took him to move over to me from about 1 meter away) he went to grapple me (the grapples are hilariously slow) and he missed which took another 7 seconds for him to recover. It was so poor I burs**t out laughing.

Laugh is all you can do at a game that plays this bad. Taking it seriously would take someone who doesn't mind playing average to poor games.

ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> What makes me laugh is that you think I am writing this to spite
> others.

1. Don't put word in my mouth.

2. This thread is supposedly about "First Impressions" yet you've already written off the game.

Enjoy Smackdown. :P

Wreslemania 19 has always been a possibile purchase. If I think I will get more enjoyment out of it than Freedom Fighters then I will have it by the middle of next week.

ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
>
> Just one match eh? I suppose you need some sleep in between matches.

So I need the sleep in between replying to threads created by idiots who can't appreciate a good game when they see one.

You've hardly played No Mercy, your view of wrestling games is very skewed.
Reviews of wrestling games have had a history of being laughable, I remember when WCW/NWO Revenge was panned and the next few months the magazine had to change their entire magazines opinion of wrestling games as they'd clearly mis-understood and received a lot of letters contradicting their reviews.

Reviews are generally one person's opinion. I always pay attention to the alternative argument for a game that some magazines and IGN put at the end of their reviews - this is where you can learn a lot.

Smackdown is seen as a great game by the countless fools who just about get enough thought out of their two braincells to actually get down to Woolworths and mumble p-p-p-la-yyy-sss-ta-ta-ta-shion to a less than sympathetic staff member.

Was thinking that but I am hanging on for Smackdown 5.

One question about it though, can you perform any move through a table or just a small set of ballax moves?