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Nintendo's image towards the general public and gamers has always been a much talked about topic in the gaming world. Many say that Nintendo are a childrens company, and with all the many Pokemon games you would be pressed to argue against it.
Nintendo have had a childlike appearance since the family console the Nintendo Entertainment System. Back then they didn't see it as a problem because the games machines weren't powerful so the games were simple and effective...
...ever since those original classics they have continued along the same path which lead to the first consoles success. Choosing bright, colourful colours with cartoon-like characters for most of their releases.
Was this a bad choice? Representing games in that style for over ten years may have damaged the company in the release and life of the Nintendo64. The gamers that had grown up with the cartoon-like games would have moved on, they didn't want Banjo Kazooie or Diddy Kong Racing64 over Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil...was it a bad choice from Nintendo?
Overall. No. It wasn't a bad choice as last year saw Nintendo have one of their most profitable years in the market (maybe due to Pokemon). Nintendo have never denied being called a childish company, infact they rely on the superb originality and gameplay of their released to shut up the chants.
Real gamers out there will know that visuals aren't 'everything' in a game, they merely add to the fun, but maybe the child-like visuals are what should be kept in some games? I can't imagine Mario Kart64 with different characters, hell- imagine a lifelike Mario. It just wouldn't be the same.
The GameCube is where its going to be different. I feel Nintendo have learnt from the lessons of the Nintendo 64, and with many more companies backing the console this time around the choice for every gamer is going to be huge, an example of this is Metroid, which is already looking like an 18 rated game.
Yes, Nintendo still and probably will always have the child-like image, simply because that is very successful to them as a company, and they still make excellent games with that image. However, I do believe that Nintendo will now develop games for the all age gaming market.
The GameCube may be the start of something very promising indeed.
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Nintendo have had a childlike appearance since the family console the Nintendo Entertainment System. Back then they didn't see it as a problem because the games machines weren't powerful so the games were simple and effective...
...ever since those original classics they have continued along the same path which lead to the first consoles success. Choosing bright, colourful colours with cartoon-like characters for most of their releases.
Was this a bad choice? Representing games in that style for over ten years may have damaged the company in the release and life of the Nintendo64. The gamers that had grown up with the cartoon-like games would have moved on, they didn't want Banjo Kazooie or Diddy Kong Racing64 over Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil...was it a bad choice from Nintendo?
Overall. No. It wasn't a bad choice as last year saw Nintendo have one of their most profitable years in the market (maybe due to Pokemon). Nintendo have never denied being called a childish company, infact they rely on the superb originality and gameplay of their released to shut up the chants.
Real gamers out there will know that visuals aren't 'everything' in a game, they merely add to the fun, but maybe the child-like visuals are what should be kept in some games? I can't imagine Mario Kart64 with different characters, hell- imagine a lifelike Mario. It just wouldn't be the same.
The GameCube is where its going to be different. I feel Nintendo have learnt from the lessons of the Nintendo 64, and with many more companies backing the console this time around the choice for every gamer is going to be huge, an example of this is Metroid, which is already looking like an 18 rated game.
Yes, Nintendo still and probably will always have the child-like image, simply because that is very successful to them as a company, and they still make excellent games with that image. However, I do believe that Nintendo will now develop games for the all age gaming market.
The GameCube may be the start of something very promising indeed.
Thanks
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Strafex wrote:
> That's like saying that PSO isn't a Sega game because the Sonic Team
> has broken away.
Basically, Rare games are published by Nintendo,
> for Nintendo systems exclusively and they work together a
> lot.
Plenty of technical experience is shared between the
> two.
What they meant when saying Nintendo games were games that
> were exclusively on a Nintendo system and were published/supported
> by Nintendo.
What utter rubbish!
Nintendo are the biggest publishers in the world, because they publish games for hundred of companies. A few dozens of these are probably ninty only games. But that is NOT what we are debating. We are debating Ninty's games. To talk about other companies would be stupid, as these are in turn owned by different companies who share different markets tpo ninty.
Rare cannot be charged as making "ninty games", because they are not part of ninty.... Sonic Team ARE part of Sega, not an independant unity that sega bought.
As for the sharing of technology and closeness of the companies, I must agree... but then again, Rare are not unique in this aspect.
> That's like saying that PSO isn't a Sega game because the Sonic Team
> has broken away.
Basically, Rare games are published by Nintendo,
> for Nintendo systems exclusively and they work together a
> lot.
Plenty of technical experience is shared between the
> two.
What they meant when saying Nintendo games were games that
> were exclusively on a Nintendo system and were published/supported
> by Nintendo.
What utter rubbish!
Nintendo are the biggest publishers in the world, because they publish games for hundred of companies. A few dozens of these are probably ninty only games. But that is NOT what we are debating. We are debating Ninty's games. To talk about other companies would be stupid, as these are in turn owned by different companies who share different markets tpo ninty.
Rare cannot be charged as making "ninty games", because they are not part of ninty.... Sonic Team ARE part of Sega, not an independant unity that sega bought.
As for the sharing of technology and closeness of the companies, I must agree... but then again, Rare are not unique in this aspect.
Ba†is†u†a wrote:
> <ÖÖ> wrote:
> I dunno if final
> fantasy X can fit on one of them 8cm DVD's.
If they could fit
> Resident evil onto a 64 megabyte cart, then i'm sure they will have
> no problem fitting final fantasy onto one of those 1.5GB optical
> discs.
they will believe me they will
with the cartridge, it is easier to compress the data, on a disc it is not
> <Ö
> I dunno if final
> fantasy X can fit on one of them 8cm DVD's.
If they could fit
> Resident evil onto a 64 megabyte cart, then i'm sure they will have
> no problem fitting final fantasy onto one of those 1.5GB optical
> discs.
they will believe me they will
with the cartridge, it is easier to compress the data, on a disc it is not
<ÖÖ> wrote:
> I dunno if final fantasy X can fit on one of them 8cm DVD's.
If they could fit Resident evil onto a 64 megabyte cart, then i'm sure they will have no problem fitting final fantasy onto one of those 1.5GB optical discs.
> I dunno if final fantasy X can fit on one of them 8cm DVD's.
If they could fit Resident evil onto a 64 megabyte cart, then i'm sure they will have no problem fitting final fantasy onto one of those 1.5GB optical discs.
Gronti_v wrote:
> It's in the stereotypes ruining the game industry topic. You might
> have missed it since it is in the middle of a paragraph. Mystery
> solved.
I guess if we both used the same arguement, there must be some validity to it.
Honestly, I didn't see what you wrote, I don't have as much time to read all the posts and more!
> It's in the stereotypes ruining the game industry topic. You might
> have missed it since it is in the middle of a paragraph. Mystery
> solved.
I guess if we both used the same arguement, there must be some validity to it.
Honestly, I didn't see what you wrote, I don't have as much time to read all the posts and more!
Cartoons are for kids. EVERYONE knows that!
Luckily, I saw a video of Link fighting Gannon.
It looked very good and I can't wait for the game.
I think your idea about Zelda being a cartoon is a very funny joke but its not true.
I can't show you the video as it is exclusive but it had lots of Gamecube demos on it.
Nice try Mr Dragon but now you have to back to fire breathing to get attention instead of making things up!
Luckily, I saw a video of Link fighting Gannon.
It looked very good and I can't wait for the game.
I think your idea about Zelda being a cartoon is a very funny joke but its not true.
I can't show you the video as it is exclusive but it had lots of Gamecube demos on it.
Nice try Mr Dragon but now you have to back to fire breathing to get attention instead of making things up!
Hey, I like your way of thinking. Fun after up to date technology advances, eh? After all, we're playing games for fun, and not to watch a glorious slideshow/animation.
Lets move this on a bit.
Legend of Zelda.
After Ocarina Of Time and Majoras Mask, many were anticipating something like they had seen Nintendo originally unviel for the new Zelda game - realistic looking battles, a dark look and feel, superb graphics.
When, at Spaceworld this year, Nintendo revealed what Zelda on the GAMECUBE would look like it had changed drastically from the original technical demo, going for a cel-shaded look, very 'Japanese cartoon' in style.
But really, this is the only difference. Look at the video. It ain't sunshine and lollipops here. It's still bleak, with the rain coming down, and enemies that tower above you.
So is the game childish simply because it looks like a cartoon?
Well, would you say the Simpsons was just for kids?
No, it isn't is it? There's the basic cartoon rules that apply to it, that make it appealing to children, but the content, the style, the humour, points it all to a different audience too. It has universal appear.
This is exactly the same as Nintendo games.
You still get those that say it looks like it's for kids, so it must be for kids, and I say leave them to it. But if they were to give a game like Zelda a chance, they might realise that they've been wrong. Of course they might use the old 'this type of game doesn't appeal to me' okay, fine. Let them play Mario Kart. If that doesn't appeal, then why not give one of the Mario Party games a go? If they still claim that none of these games appeal then they're a lost cause - too blinkered to even give it a go.
Anyway, I'm getting a GAMECUBE because it has games that appeal to me. I don't really give a stuff if people are going to dismiss the games as childish, I've already dismissed many, many games as being dull and no fun without playing them extendedly. So when I'm sitting playing Luigis Mansion, I won't stop to think "I wonder if people think I'm childish to play this?" I'll just enjoy the game, unlocking the secrets of each room, grabbing those ghosts, enjoying the style of the game.
And laugh if you want, I won't care, I'll be far too busy having fun.
Legend of Zelda.
After Ocarina Of Time and Majoras Mask, many were anticipating something like they had seen Nintendo originally unviel for the new Zelda game - realistic looking battles, a dark look and feel, superb graphics.
When, at Spaceworld this year, Nintendo revealed what Zelda on the GAMECUBE would look like it had changed drastically from the original technical demo, going for a cel-shaded look, very 'Japanese cartoon' in style.
But really, this is the only difference. Look at the video. It ain't sunshine and lollipops here. It's still bleak, with the rain coming down, and enemies that tower above you.
So is the game childish simply because it looks like a cartoon?
Well, would you say the Simpsons was just for kids?
No, it isn't is it? There's the basic cartoon rules that apply to it, that make it appealing to children, but the content, the style, the humour, points it all to a different audience too. It has universal appear.
This is exactly the same as Nintendo games.
You still get those that say it looks like it's for kids, so it must be for kids, and I say leave them to it. But if they were to give a game like Zelda a chance, they might realise that they've been wrong. Of course they might use the old 'this type of game doesn't appeal to me' okay, fine. Let them play Mario Kart. If that doesn't appeal, then why not give one of the Mario Party games a go? If they still claim that none of these games appeal then they're a lost cause - too blinkered to even give it a go.
Anyway, I'm getting a GAMECUBE because it has games that appeal to me. I don't really give a stuff if people are going to dismiss the games as childish, I've already dismissed many, many games as being dull and no fun without playing them extendedly. So when I'm sitting playing Luigis Mansion, I won't stop to think "I wonder if people think I'm childish to play this?" I'll just enjoy the game, unlocking the secrets of each room, grabbing those ghosts, enjoying the style of the game.
And laugh if you want, I won't care, I'll be far too busy having fun.
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