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This is probably the hardest fought console battle we've seen since Sega and Nintendo went head-to-head in the 16 bit days.
Sony launch their PS3 in Europe in March and it will sit on the shelves next to the already successful 360 and Wii consoles.
Now we know the price, I can make a much better comparison of the 3 choices.
For the PS3, £425 is much better, and inline with previous Sony console releases. Only £25 more in fact. I still think more people would buy it at a sub £400 price point, but I think the pricing is much fairer than it could have been here, for what you get.
The main point when thinking about buying a PS3 should really be how much you want the PS3 exclusive games. If you only want the ones that are also available on the 360, then the only other reason to get one is to be an early adopter for Blu-ray. I don't even think the blu-ray player is fully featured, but perhaps someone could confirm or deny this.
So, it's a case of buying a £279 console or a £425. The former has the option for HD DVD if you want to upgrade at £130, making it almost the same price for both machines if new DVD formats bother you. Graphics-wise, it's hard to tell the difference at the moment until Sony's console has some second generation games, which we can assume would be better looking, but by how much is hard to say.
Or you could always get a sub £200 Wii and have fun... :D
Anyway, there ARE reasons to get a PS3, especially for fans of Sony software and the greater number of Japanese titles out there. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans in Europe that haven't been put off by the launch delay or tempted in the meantime by one of the other options. Which means Sony will still have a guaranteed user base at launch, even if (going by the US launch) it's possibly not as much as they hoped.
In fact, I see the biggest obstacle for Sony in Europe as the length of time the other 2 have had to take hold of the market, not the price point or the delay. The 360 has a wealth of titles already and the Wii is just that much different, as well as having enough media space devoted to it to put it in the forefront of anyone’s mind when buying a new console. Though personally I think the Wii and PS3 audience will only cross over a small amount and their user bases will be different enough that they shouldn’t have too much effect on each other’s market.
Taking away all the arguments of price and delays, the machine itself seems to be well thought out and ready for anything the future has to offer (at least as far as the next 3-5 years go). Sony say that it’s fully upgradable, but I’m sceptical about how ‘fully’ that is. Obviously, a lot depends on whether the Blu-ray format takes off and whether there are any teething problems with disc errors etc (as the pits on the Blu-ray discs are smaller they may also be more susceptible to damage if scratched or dirty). But Sony are looking at upgrades as and when needed which, in 3 years time, may make all the difference against the 360 which competes with it on a graphical level.
Since graphics seem to be a strong focus for Sony and Microsoft this time around, updating the graphics on the PS3 would surely be the most important ability any console allegedly capable of being upgraded should have. Sony haven’t said anything, but I can’t see an easy way of updating graphics hardware, only the software. PCs have graphics cards, that’s how they stay ahead, but consoles have chips built specifically for them and often come attached to the mainboard. We’ll find out in time, but I remain sceptical about how long Sony can keep off the launch of another new console in 5-7 years, even with their ‘upgrade-ability’ on the PS3.
But we’re here now, so lets focus on this year. Sony need to make inroads with the PS3 and the only way they can do it is by showcasing their exclusive titles. It’s the only way that any console can compete. Historically, titles on multiple formats have often been written with the weaker format in mind, being ported across with few changes. This means that unless exclusive titles are present, people may go for the cheapest platform to play their games on. But Sony have some strong titles waiting for release. Gran Turismo has been the major talking point so far, especially graphically, and Sony’s deals with 3rd parties should bring some strong titles to the system.
So, is Sony doomed? No. Will they have a tougher time than with the PS2? Most definitely. It’s impossible to say that one console is better this time around, the 360 and PS3 are so similar, despite their different specs, and the Wii appeals to the rest of the market. We can only wait to see how it all pans out in a few years time, but it’s a hot battle this time around and an interesting one. Just don’t write Sony out of the game at this point…
Sony launch their PS3 in Europe in March and it will sit on the shelves next to the already successful 360 and Wii consoles.
Now we know the price, I can make a much better comparison of the 3 choices.
For the PS3, £425 is much better, and inline with previous Sony console releases. Only £25 more in fact. I still think more people would buy it at a sub £400 price point, but I think the pricing is much fairer than it could have been here, for what you get.
The main point when thinking about buying a PS3 should really be how much you want the PS3 exclusive games. If you only want the ones that are also available on the 360, then the only other reason to get one is to be an early adopter for Blu-ray. I don't even think the blu-ray player is fully featured, but perhaps someone could confirm or deny this.
So, it's a case of buying a £279 console or a £425. The former has the option for HD DVD if you want to upgrade at £130, making it almost the same price for both machines if new DVD formats bother you. Graphics-wise, it's hard to tell the difference at the moment until Sony's console has some second generation games, which we can assume would be better looking, but by how much is hard to say.
Or you could always get a sub £200 Wii and have fun... :D
Anyway, there ARE reasons to get a PS3, especially for fans of Sony software and the greater number of Japanese titles out there. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans in Europe that haven't been put off by the launch delay or tempted in the meantime by one of the other options. Which means Sony will still have a guaranteed user base at launch, even if (going by the US launch) it's possibly not as much as they hoped.
In fact, I see the biggest obstacle for Sony in Europe as the length of time the other 2 have had to take hold of the market, not the price point or the delay. The 360 has a wealth of titles already and the Wii is just that much different, as well as having enough media space devoted to it to put it in the forefront of anyone’s mind when buying a new console. Though personally I think the Wii and PS3 audience will only cross over a small amount and their user bases will be different enough that they shouldn’t have too much effect on each other’s market.
Taking away all the arguments of price and delays, the machine itself seems to be well thought out and ready for anything the future has to offer (at least as far as the next 3-5 years go). Sony say that it’s fully upgradable, but I’m sceptical about how ‘fully’ that is. Obviously, a lot depends on whether the Blu-ray format takes off and whether there are any teething problems with disc errors etc (as the pits on the Blu-ray discs are smaller they may also be more susceptible to damage if scratched or dirty). But Sony are looking at upgrades as and when needed which, in 3 years time, may make all the difference against the 360 which competes with it on a graphical level.
Since graphics seem to be a strong focus for Sony and Microsoft this time around, updating the graphics on the PS3 would surely be the most important ability any console allegedly capable of being upgraded should have. Sony haven’t said anything, but I can’t see an easy way of updating graphics hardware, only the software. PCs have graphics cards, that’s how they stay ahead, but consoles have chips built specifically for them and often come attached to the mainboard. We’ll find out in time, but I remain sceptical about how long Sony can keep off the launch of another new console in 5-7 years, even with their ‘upgrade-ability’ on the PS3.
But we’re here now, so lets focus on this year. Sony need to make inroads with the PS3 and the only way they can do it is by showcasing their exclusive titles. It’s the only way that any console can compete. Historically, titles on multiple formats have often been written with the weaker format in mind, being ported across with few changes. This means that unless exclusive titles are present, people may go for the cheapest platform to play their games on. But Sony have some strong titles waiting for release. Gran Turismo has been the major talking point so far, especially graphically, and Sony’s deals with 3rd parties should bring some strong titles to the system.
So, is Sony doomed? No. Will they have a tougher time than with the PS2? Most definitely. It’s impossible to say that one console is better this time around, the 360 and PS3 are so similar, despite their different specs, and the Wii appeals to the rest of the market. We can only wait to see how it all pans out in a few years time, but it’s a hot battle this time around and an interesting one. Just don’t write Sony out of the game at this point…
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I've spoken to people who are convinced that Sony will be on top again, just because they were with the PS2. They're not 'into games' in the same way as most people on forums like this are, but if enough people think the same way as them, the PS3 will still sell, no matter what.
However, I hold out that it won't sell nearly as well as Sony hope/need. But Microsoft and Nintendo really need to bring out some big name games in March to counter the launch, all the same.
However, I hold out that it won't sell nearly as well as Sony hope/need. But Microsoft and Nintendo really need to bring out some big name games in March to counter the launch, all the same.
I played my PS2 quite a lot, socom and socom2 online were great fun and introduced me to online gaming on a console. even with that though I have no interest in the PS3 at all at the moment.
I bought a wii for having a laugh on a few games with friends and that is pretty much all I use it for with the exception of zelda - needs more fun multiplayer games to be a success for me.
Got myself a 360 not long after it was released and have been impressed since. Live is excellent and there are a good few must have games that are great fun offline and online - online gaming seems to be were I get the most enjoyment from my gaming at the moment. Playing games and having a laugh with friends at the same time is hard to beat.
There just doesn't seem to be any killer titles for the PS3 that aren't available for the 360 or make me think that it would be a worthwhile purchase. Even the chance of a new socom game isn't getting me slightly excited in it.
I bought a wii for having a laugh on a few games with friends and that is pretty much all I use it for with the exception of zelda - needs more fun multiplayer games to be a success for me.
Got myself a 360 not long after it was released and have been impressed since. Live is excellent and there are a good few must have games that are great fun offline and online - online gaming seems to be were I get the most enjoyment from my gaming at the moment. Playing games and having a laugh with friends at the same time is hard to beat.
There just doesn't seem to be any killer titles for the PS3 that aren't available for the 360 or make me think that it would be a worthwhile purchase. Even the chance of a new socom game isn't getting me slightly excited in it.
What amuses me is that Sony recently declared Nintendo's Wii a 'gimmick' and an 'impulse buy'.
However, in their home territory of Japan, the gimmicky DS and Wii are dominating, with DS games regularly topping the sales charts and there currently being 4 Wiis sold for every PS3...
(all based on readings from gamesindustry.biz)
If Wii is just a gimmick and traditional gameplay will prevail, why have I only used my Xbox 360 for DVDs since Christmas?
Obviously I am just but one statistic in any feedback survey I choose to complete, but Wii gaming seems that much more fun than Xbox 360 so far.
I am glad that Sony are still entering the race though - the extra competition should ensure Microsoft and Nintendo are kept on their toes...
However, in their home territory of Japan, the gimmicky DS and Wii are dominating, with DS games regularly topping the sales charts and there currently being 4 Wiis sold for every PS3...
(all based on readings from gamesindustry.biz)
If Wii is just a gimmick and traditional gameplay will prevail, why have I only used my Xbox 360 for DVDs since Christmas?
Obviously I am just but one statistic in any feedback survey I choose to complete, but Wii gaming seems that much more fun than Xbox 360 so far.
I am glad that Sony are still entering the race though - the extra competition should ensure Microsoft and Nintendo are kept on their toes...
FantasyMeister wrote:
> PS3 = No rumble.
> PS3 = 18 months late.
>
> Silly mistakes.
>
> When the price drops to £129 in a few year's time I'll
> pick one up just to catch up on FFXIII and maybe FFXIV. Until
> that time, the 360 should keep me busy.
Ah, but Sony has stated that they want to keep the price high by increasingly updating the console (they seem to be saying that most of the things which would need to be changed can be changed, such as graphics, hard drive etc). So according to them they'll be little chance of a price drop unless you want to go second hand...
> PS3 = No rumble.
> PS3 = 18 months late.
>
> Silly mistakes.
>
> When the price drops to £129 in a few year's time I'll
> pick one up just to catch up on FFXIII and maybe FFXIV. Until
> that time, the 360 should keep me busy.
Ah, but Sony has stated that they want to keep the price high by increasingly updating the console (they seem to be saying that most of the things which would need to be changed can be changed, such as graphics, hard drive etc). So according to them they'll be little chance of a price drop unless you want to go second hand...
FantasyMeister wrote:
> PS3 = No rumble.
Yeah, that's going to be weird - gotten so used to it now :)
> PS3 = No rumble.
Yeah, that's going to be weird - gotten so used to it now :)
PS3 = No rumble.
PS3 = 18 months late.
Silly mistakes.
When the price drops to £129 in a few year's time I'll pick one up just to catch up on FFXIII and maybe FFXIV. Until that time, the 360 should keep me busy.
There was a time when I was all PS2 and looking forward to the PS3, but the delays kept getting longer and longer and Sony's online service was looking more and more jaded compared to Live, so I made the switch. I think most of those who made the switch are in the same boat as me - that the PS3 doesn't offer us anything over what we currently have, so why fork out over £400 just for a few exclusives?
PS3 = 18 months late.
Silly mistakes.
When the price drops to £129 in a few year's time I'll pick one up just to catch up on FFXIII and maybe FFXIV. Until that time, the 360 should keep me busy.
There was a time when I was all PS2 and looking forward to the PS3, but the delays kept getting longer and longer and Sony's online service was looking more and more jaded compared to Live, so I made the switch. I think most of those who made the switch are in the same boat as me - that the PS3 doesn't offer us anything over what we currently have, so why fork out over £400 just for a few exclusives?
It certainly is a hot battle - both of these systems are packed with power and both have the upgradability factor (360 utilising DX10 effects according to someone at PM). The 360 is also due to be revamped with standard 1080p support (meh) and a HDMI-out port. I'm not too keen on this as it's pretty much a kick in the balls for those of us who already have one - unless they offer a part-ex incentive.
I think it's safe to say the Blu-Ray player is a 'lite' version, much like the Xbox HD-DVD player - I seriously doubt they'd put a top spec drive in there, not when dedicated players are going for £1k+. Would be great if they did though.
As for games, it does look this is oing to be a battle of exclusivity, even moreso than times before. Only this time, MS has swiped one of Sony's Aces - GTA. This is a massive reversal of fortune, as we all know GTA - in it's exclusive form - is a guaranteed system seller.
I don't know if I've just contributed to the thread, or blurted out gibberish, but someone needs my PC so I've got to go now :P
I think it's safe to say the Blu-Ray player is a 'lite' version, much like the Xbox HD-DVD player - I seriously doubt they'd put a top spec drive in there, not when dedicated players are going for £1k+. Would be great if they did though.
As for games, it does look this is oing to be a battle of exclusivity, even moreso than times before. Only this time, MS has swiped one of Sony's Aces - GTA. This is a massive reversal of fortune, as we all know GTA - in it's exclusive form - is a guaranteed system seller.
I don't know if I've just contributed to the thread, or blurted out gibberish, but someone needs my PC so I've got to go now :P
This is probably the hardest fought console battle we've seen since Sega and Nintendo went head-to-head in the 16 bit days.
Sony launch their PS3 in Europe in March and it will sit on the shelves next to the already successful 360 and Wii consoles.
Now we know the price, I can make a much better comparison of the 3 choices.
For the PS3, £425 is much better, and inline with previous Sony console releases. Only £25 more in fact. I still think more people would buy it at a sub £400 price point, but I think the pricing is much fairer than it could have been here, for what you get.
The main point when thinking about buying a PS3 should really be how much you want the PS3 exclusive games. If you only want the ones that are also available on the 360, then the only other reason to get one is to be an early adopter for Blu-ray. I don't even think the blu-ray player is fully featured, but perhaps someone could confirm or deny this.
So, it's a case of buying a £279 console or a £425. The former has the option for HD DVD if you want to upgrade at £130, making it almost the same price for both machines if new DVD formats bother you. Graphics-wise, it's hard to tell the difference at the moment until Sony's console has some second generation games, which we can assume would be better looking, but by how much is hard to say.
Or you could always get a sub £200 Wii and have fun... :D
Anyway, there ARE reasons to get a PS3, especially for fans of Sony software and the greater number of Japanese titles out there. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans in Europe that haven't been put off by the launch delay or tempted in the meantime by one of the other options. Which means Sony will still have a guaranteed user base at launch, even if (going by the US launch) it's possibly not as much as they hoped.
In fact, I see the biggest obstacle for Sony in Europe as the length of time the other 2 have had to take hold of the market, not the price point or the delay. The 360 has a wealth of titles already and the Wii is just that much different, as well as having enough media space devoted to it to put it in the forefront of anyone’s mind when buying a new console. Though personally I think the Wii and PS3 audience will only cross over a small amount and their user bases will be different enough that they shouldn’t have too much effect on each other’s market.
Taking away all the arguments of price and delays, the machine itself seems to be well thought out and ready for anything the future has to offer (at least as far as the next 3-5 years go). Sony say that it’s fully upgradable, but I’m sceptical about how ‘fully’ that is. Obviously, a lot depends on whether the Blu-ray format takes off and whether there are any teething problems with disc errors etc (as the pits on the Blu-ray discs are smaller they may also be more susceptible to damage if scratched or dirty). But Sony are looking at upgrades as and when needed which, in 3 years time, may make all the difference against the 360 which competes with it on a graphical level.
Since graphics seem to be a strong focus for Sony and Microsoft this time around, updating the graphics on the PS3 would surely be the most important ability any console allegedly capable of being upgraded should have. Sony haven’t said anything, but I can’t see an easy way of updating graphics hardware, only the software. PCs have graphics cards, that’s how they stay ahead, but consoles have chips built specifically for them and often come attached to the mainboard. We’ll find out in time, but I remain sceptical about how long Sony can keep off the launch of another new console in 5-7 years, even with their ‘upgrade-ability’ on the PS3.
But we’re here now, so lets focus on this year. Sony need to make inroads with the PS3 and the only way they can do it is by showcasing their exclusive titles. It’s the only way that any console can compete. Historically, titles on multiple formats have often been written with the weaker format in mind, being ported across with few changes. This means that unless exclusive titles are present, people may go for the cheapest platform to play their games on. But Sony have some strong titles waiting for release. Gran Turismo has been the major talking point so far, especially graphically, and Sony’s deals with 3rd parties should bring some strong titles to the system.
So, is Sony doomed? No. Will they have a tougher time than with the PS2? Most definitely. It’s impossible to say that one console is better this time around, the 360 and PS3 are so similar, despite their different specs, and the Wii appeals to the rest of the market. We can only wait to see how it all pans out in a few years time, but it’s a hot battle this time around and an interesting one. Just don’t write Sony out of the game at this point…
Sony launch their PS3 in Europe in March and it will sit on the shelves next to the already successful 360 and Wii consoles.
Now we know the price, I can make a much better comparison of the 3 choices.
For the PS3, £425 is much better, and inline with previous Sony console releases. Only £25 more in fact. I still think more people would buy it at a sub £400 price point, but I think the pricing is much fairer than it could have been here, for what you get.
The main point when thinking about buying a PS3 should really be how much you want the PS3 exclusive games. If you only want the ones that are also available on the 360, then the only other reason to get one is to be an early adopter for Blu-ray. I don't even think the blu-ray player is fully featured, but perhaps someone could confirm or deny this.
So, it's a case of buying a £279 console or a £425. The former has the option for HD DVD if you want to upgrade at £130, making it almost the same price for both machines if new DVD formats bother you. Graphics-wise, it's hard to tell the difference at the moment until Sony's console has some second generation games, which we can assume would be better looking, but by how much is hard to say.
Or you could always get a sub £200 Wii and have fun... :D
Anyway, there ARE reasons to get a PS3, especially for fans of Sony software and the greater number of Japanese titles out there. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans in Europe that haven't been put off by the launch delay or tempted in the meantime by one of the other options. Which means Sony will still have a guaranteed user base at launch, even if (going by the US launch) it's possibly not as much as they hoped.
In fact, I see the biggest obstacle for Sony in Europe as the length of time the other 2 have had to take hold of the market, not the price point or the delay. The 360 has a wealth of titles already and the Wii is just that much different, as well as having enough media space devoted to it to put it in the forefront of anyone’s mind when buying a new console. Though personally I think the Wii and PS3 audience will only cross over a small amount and their user bases will be different enough that they shouldn’t have too much effect on each other’s market.
Taking away all the arguments of price and delays, the machine itself seems to be well thought out and ready for anything the future has to offer (at least as far as the next 3-5 years go). Sony say that it’s fully upgradable, but I’m sceptical about how ‘fully’ that is. Obviously, a lot depends on whether the Blu-ray format takes off and whether there are any teething problems with disc errors etc (as the pits on the Blu-ray discs are smaller they may also be more susceptible to damage if scratched or dirty). But Sony are looking at upgrades as and when needed which, in 3 years time, may make all the difference against the 360 which competes with it on a graphical level.
Since graphics seem to be a strong focus for Sony and Microsoft this time around, updating the graphics on the PS3 would surely be the most important ability any console allegedly capable of being upgraded should have. Sony haven’t said anything, but I can’t see an easy way of updating graphics hardware, only the software. PCs have graphics cards, that’s how they stay ahead, but consoles have chips built specifically for them and often come attached to the mainboard. We’ll find out in time, but I remain sceptical about how long Sony can keep off the launch of another new console in 5-7 years, even with their ‘upgrade-ability’ on the PS3.
But we’re here now, so lets focus on this year. Sony need to make inroads with the PS3 and the only way they can do it is by showcasing their exclusive titles. It’s the only way that any console can compete. Historically, titles on multiple formats have often been written with the weaker format in mind, being ported across with few changes. This means that unless exclusive titles are present, people may go for the cheapest platform to play their games on. But Sony have some strong titles waiting for release. Gran Turismo has been the major talking point so far, especially graphically, and Sony’s deals with 3rd parties should bring some strong titles to the system.
So, is Sony doomed? No. Will they have a tougher time than with the PS2? Most definitely. It’s impossible to say that one console is better this time around, the 360 and PS3 are so similar, despite their different specs, and the Wii appeals to the rest of the market. We can only wait to see how it all pans out in a few years time, but it’s a hot battle this time around and an interesting one. Just don’t write Sony out of the game at this point…
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