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I hate it when someone is being interviewed, usually some B-list celeb like Emma Bunton, and they get asked about something (as happens in interviews). They respond "Yeah, I'm loving it", then they smile, and say "Lovin' it, lovin' it, lovin it!"
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
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Why can't people accept that current pop music is for kids. I can't stand it, but I don't want to become a hypocrite by saying that it shouldn't be allowed when I'm sure there are people that don't like what I listen to.
I think a big part of the problem is that when we grew up pop music was predominantly artists who could write good music themselves and perform it. From the late 70s you had artists like Blondie, The Police, The Jam, Madness, The Specials. In the early 80s you had even more 'poppy' artists like Duran Duran, Wham! and Culture Club. But again, on the whole, they wrote their own music. They all had incredibly successful chart careers. Yes they occasionally had down beat songs and lyrics, but they also had uplighting songs as well.
Singers not writing their own songs was very common in the 50s and 60s, but with artists like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, popular music culture gradually moved towards being more band centred. What we have now just seems like a huge step backwards. Like you say, at the end of the day, it just really matters what appeals to you. But in the greater scheme of things, these pop bands are going to mean absolutely nothing in a few years time. The UK has had a huge part in the history of popular music, and it just seems that we've dropped the ball, and have very little interest in picking it up again.
It's not just that these groups don't write their own songs or play instruments, it's that they're manufactured and pretty much interchangeable. All of the previously mentioned bands had something unique to offer. Now it's just like a huge collage of pretty boys and girls. When these groups die a death, invariably the members disappear into obscurity, or appear as C list celebs on some TV programme. If there was some great career/artist being produced as a result of the groups, at least you could think that it was worth the initial effort. At least Robbie Williams (and also potentially Mel C) look like they could make something worthwhile out of their initiation to the music business.
Music is a very passionate subject, and everyone has their opinions. I personally find a lot of 'indie' music down beat as well. But on the other hand, I like a lot of guitar based music, which in turn I know isn't someone else's cup of tea. It is good that these pop groups exist, as we need variety. But not to the detriment of other bands who have slogged their guts outs, only to be dropped because they don't fit in with the current trends.
Singers not writing their own songs was very common in the 50s and 60s, but with artists like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, popular music culture gradually moved towards being more band centred. What we have now just seems like a huge step backwards. Like you say, at the end of the day, it just really matters what appeals to you. But in the greater scheme of things, these pop bands are going to mean absolutely nothing in a few years time. The UK has had a huge part in the history of popular music, and it just seems that we've dropped the ball, and have very little interest in picking it up again.
It's not just that these groups don't write their own songs or play instruments, it's that they're manufactured and pretty much interchangeable. All of the previously mentioned bands had something unique to offer. Now it's just like a huge collage of pretty boys and girls. When these groups die a death, invariably the members disappear into obscurity, or appear as C list celebs on some TV programme. If there was some great career/artist being produced as a result of the groups, at least you could think that it was worth the initial effort. At least Robbie Williams (and also potentially Mel C) look like they could make something worthwhile out of their initiation to the music business.
Music is a very passionate subject, and everyone has their opinions. I personally find a lot of 'indie' music down beat as well. But on the other hand, I like a lot of guitar based music, which in turn I know isn't someone else's cup of tea. It is good that these pop groups exist, as we need variety. But not to the detriment of other bands who have slogged their guts outs, only to be dropped because they don't fit in with the current trends.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
. A lot of
> 'great' singers from the past never played instruments either, and
> relied on music played by other people, so why is it such a big
> issue now?
Because the great singers of the past mattered.
Jim Morrison - just sang. But he gave it 100% passion and energy, you could tell he was doing it because something inside him needed to get out.
Same with Janis Joplin.
There are NO female vocalists around today (I mean newcomers) with anything approaching her style and raw, pure heart. Anastasia, whilst I dont like her music, has an incredible voice, one of the best female vocalists in a long time.
But it's not about emotion and singing because you have to, it's about "he/she looks pretty, let's get them to sing".
It's not about passion and life and heart, it's about "they look like the last group, put them on CD"
The music industry
> is supposed to be about the music, not the image, so don't
> automatically dismiss a song just because it's sung by a group of
> pretty teenagers.
Agreed. But I judge a song on whether it's being sung like their world will end if they stop.
I don't want limp, flaccid pop bilge being played so that a few faces can prance about and smile a lot.
Goddamn it, music is about music.
I know I'm ranting, but I have to.
Purely from a personal viewpoint, I play with 100% energy and passion. I have bust my hand open whilst playing more than once, always finish drenched in sweat and bone-tired.
As soon as we've finished playing and packed up, I have to collapse in the bath and then sleep.
There is nothing left in me after a gig because I have played like the world will end when we stop, therefore you gotta make it matter, give it all you have.
THAT is what music is to me. Not anyone else, but to me.
I want to listen to a group and hear that they are going as hard as they can. Not in terms of power etc, but I need to able to hear life and soul coming out.
Not teenagers thrown together for profit and merchandising.
A1? Atomic Kitten? Westlife?
They dont even make music, they make videos to watch.
eMpTyV and The Box?
Music is emotion and aural pleasure.
Sure, videos are nice to watch sometimes but when a band spends more time on videos that bothering to sound like they even care about the song?
Go make corporate videos, not songs.
My head's going to explode now, I have to lay down.
. A lot of
> 'great' singers from the past never played instruments either, and
> relied on music played by other people, so why is it such a big
> issue now?
Because the great singers of the past mattered.
Jim Morrison - just sang. But he gave it 100% passion and energy, you could tell he was doing it because something inside him needed to get out.
Same with Janis Joplin.
There are NO female vocalists around today (I mean newcomers) with anything approaching her style and raw, pure heart. Anastasia, whilst I dont like her music, has an incredible voice, one of the best female vocalists in a long time.
But it's not about emotion and singing because you have to, it's about "he/she looks pretty, let's get them to sing".
It's not about passion and life and heart, it's about "they look like the last group, put them on CD"
The music industry
> is supposed to be about the music, not the image, so don't
> automatically dismiss a song just because it's sung by a group of
> pretty teenagers.
Agreed. But I judge a song on whether it's being sung like their world will end if they stop.
I don't want limp, flaccid pop bilge being played so that a few faces can prance about and smile a lot.
Goddamn it, music is about music.
I know I'm ranting, but I have to.
Purely from a personal viewpoint, I play with 100% energy and passion. I have bust my hand open whilst playing more than once, always finish drenched in sweat and bone-tired.
As soon as we've finished playing and packed up, I have to collapse in the bath and then sleep.
There is nothing left in me after a gig because I have played like the world will end when we stop, therefore you gotta make it matter, give it all you have.
THAT is what music is to me. Not anyone else, but to me.
I want to listen to a group and hear that they are going as hard as they can. Not in terms of power etc, but I need to able to hear life and soul coming out.
Not teenagers thrown together for profit and merchandising.
A1? Atomic Kitten? Westlife?
They dont even make music, they make videos to watch.
eMpTyV and The Box?
Music is emotion and aural pleasure.
Sure, videos are nice to watch sometimes but when a band spends more time on videos that bothering to sound like they even care about the song?
Go make corporate videos, not songs.
My head's going to explode now, I have to lay down.
Is music an art form or entertainment? Is entertainment an art form? Personally I think you should enjoy listening to music whatever type it happens to be. Pop means Popular and shouldn't get confused with manufactured pap. People moan that all producers use on manufactured records is Pro Tools and Fruity Loops, but they're industry standards and used by people like the Gorillaz. Why listen to something that depresses you? I just can't understand that.
I don't mind the pop kids. I like Atomic Kitten (though I haven't bought an album as yet) and Hear'Say, and Steps, and Britney... etc.
I don't like Boyzone, A1, Nsync etc., Christina Ugly-lera.
Surely the whole point of music - at least from a listener's point of view - is that people enjoy it. A lot of people will groan when yet another teen sensation gets to number one, but the fact is that (payola aside) people buy it because it appeals to them and they enjoy listening to it.
Although I do have a light-hearted dig at them on many occasions, I'd rather listen to Hear'Say than Oasis, because at least the music is up-beat and 'happy'. I'm not interested in songs abuot how grim life is in Manchester! (Okay, that's over-simplified, but you get my point.)
I don't know if it's a sign of the times, but so many of these 'real' bands' songs are so grim, bland and bloody depressing! "Music to slit your wrists to" as I call it.
These teeny-boppers - and pop in general - at least have some 'go' in them. Okay, so maybe they can't all play instruments, the songs may not always be original, and we all know there have been some lame covers, but is any of that the point?
They may all sound similar, but to me, so do most of the Indie bands around today. They may be manufactured, but a lot of them *can* actually sing. Those in Hear'Say all have good voices, as do those in Steps. A lot of 'great' singers from the past never played instruments either, and relied on music played by other people, so why is it such a big issue now?
Milli Vanilli were probably the biggest scam in recent history, and you rarely hear their music anywhere since their con was discovered. Why is this? Their records sold pretty well, and - in my opinion - they were some good songs, so why don't they get airplay on these 80's shows etc.? Okay, so were were all conned, but does that make the songs themselves any less? We all know that a hell of a lot of bands mime to backing tracks these days anyway, so is it really that big a deal that the two men providing the public face of MV didn't actually sing the song?
Personally, I don't care who a song is by, where they're from, if they were discovered or manufactured, or whether they're playing their own instruments or not. If I like the song, I'll buy it. If I like enough of their songs, I'll buy their album.
The music industry is supposed to be about the music, not the image, so don't automatically dismiss a song just because it's sung by a group of pretty teenagers.
I don't like Boyzone, A1, Nsync etc., Christina Ugly-lera.
Surely the whole point of music - at least from a listener's point of view - is that people enjoy it. A lot of people will groan when yet another teen sensation gets to number one, but the fact is that (payola aside) people buy it because it appeals to them and they enjoy listening to it.
Although I do have a light-hearted dig at them on many occasions, I'd rather listen to Hear'Say than Oasis, because at least the music is up-beat and 'happy'. I'm not interested in songs abuot how grim life is in Manchester! (Okay, that's over-simplified, but you get my point.)
I don't know if it's a sign of the times, but so many of these 'real' bands' songs are so grim, bland and bloody depressing! "Music to slit your wrists to" as I call it.
These teeny-boppers - and pop in general - at least have some 'go' in them. Okay, so maybe they can't all play instruments, the songs may not always be original, and we all know there have been some lame covers, but is any of that the point?
They may all sound similar, but to me, so do most of the Indie bands around today. They may be manufactured, but a lot of them *can* actually sing. Those in Hear'Say all have good voices, as do those in Steps. A lot of 'great' singers from the past never played instruments either, and relied on music played by other people, so why is it such a big issue now?
Milli Vanilli were probably the biggest scam in recent history, and you rarely hear their music anywhere since their con was discovered. Why is this? Their records sold pretty well, and - in my opinion - they were some good songs, so why don't they get airplay on these 80's shows etc.? Okay, so were were all conned, but does that make the songs themselves any less? We all know that a hell of a lot of bands mime to backing tracks these days anyway, so is it really that big a deal that the two men providing the public face of MV didn't actually sing the song?
Personally, I don't care who a song is by, where they're from, if they were discovered or manufactured, or whether they're playing their own instruments or not. If I like the song, I'll buy it. If I like enough of their songs, I'll buy their album.
The music industry is supposed to be about the music, not the image, so don't automatically dismiss a song just because it's sung by a group of pretty teenagers.
Don't get me started...oh wait, you just have.
Ok, strap in, get a cuppa and let's continue:
Covers of classic songs by no-name, 15minutes-almost-up teens that dont even remember the original.
"Take on Me" "Eternal Flame" etc etc. Leave it be.
All Saints covering "Under The Bridge". Idiots.
That song is about Anthony Keidis' heroin addiction and how he used to shoot up under a bridge controlled by gangs.
"Under the bridge downtown, is where I drew some blood..under the bridge downtown..I could not get enough..under the bridge downtown, I gave my life away"
But they chopped that part out.
Fools, turned it into some inane pop song.
"nu-metal"
Or jock-rock, sports metal etc.
30 year old men rapping about how mean parents are and how much life sucks.
Shut up Fred Durst, you are a 31 year old millionaire head of Interscope Records. I can imagine how tough it must be for you. This is a man that, in a Q interview, boasted "I have never read a book in my life"
What a great role model Fred.
These people have been offered the chance to make life playing music - be happy about that, enjoy and revel in that lifestyle.
Quit whining to sell records.
Ok, strap in, get a cuppa and let's continue:
Covers of classic songs by no-name, 15minutes-almost-up teens that dont even remember the original.
"Take on Me" "Eternal Flame" etc etc. Leave it be.
All Saints covering "Under The Bridge". Idiots.
That song is about Anthony Keidis' heroin addiction and how he used to shoot up under a bridge controlled by gangs.
"Under the bridge downtown, is where I drew some blood..under the bridge downtown..I could not get enough..under the bridge downtown, I gave my life away"
But they chopped that part out.
Fools, turned it into some inane pop song.
"nu-metal"
Or jock-rock, sports metal etc.
30 year old men rapping about how mean parents are and how much life sucks.
Shut up Fred Durst, you are a 31 year old millionaire head of Interscope Records. I can imagine how tough it must be for you. This is a man that, in a Q interview, boasted "I have never read a book in my life"
What a great role model Fred.
These people have been offered the chance to make life playing music - be happy about that, enjoy and revel in that lifestyle.
Quit whining to sell records.
I hate it when someone is being interviewed, usually some B-list celeb like Emma Bunton, and they get asked about something (as happens in interviews). They respond "Yeah, I'm loving it", then they smile, and say "Lovin' it, lovin' it, lovin it!"
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
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