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I hate it when someone is being interviewed, usually some B-list celeb like Emma Bunton, and they get asked about something (as happens in interviews). They respond "Yeah, I'm loving it", then they smile, and say "Lovin' it, lovin' it, lovin it!"
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
Oh! ha, ha, I see what they've done! They've gone and quoted from a naff song!
Damn I hate that.
And women called Ian.
What the hell is that all about? And how bad are those lyrics?
"Tell me why, we build castles in the sky,
Oh tell me why, all the castles way up high"
Let's see, well, we don't build castles in the sky, way up high. In fact i've never come across a castle in the sky in real life. Once in a game (Phantasy Star, Lassic's castle was on a floating island). But why ask such a daft question? Why bother with crap lyrics?
Finally, Roger Sanchez.
That song of his, reached number 1.
Sounds like the theme from some 80's soap, with all the synth, could have been the theme to a Brookside spin off. And that doof, doof, drum beat (just the two of them) between chorus and verse... That sounds so lame....
So, other current musical pet hates?
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Get back in the Wings forum, the first two episodes have been drafted, and there's been a murder in Beaver's Creek!
I can't help it.
Their upbeat, happy pop strikes a chord in me.
As does nails on blackboards
Their upbeat, happy pop strikes a chord in me.
As does nails on blackboards
Yeah, I got that.
Just didn't want to draw attention to the fact that you're obviously a closet Hear'Say fan, and thought I'd let it pass.
But no, you had to, didn't you? Eh? Eh?
Just didn't want to draw attention to the fact that you're obviously a closet Hear'Say fan, and thought I'd let it pass.
But no, you had to, didn't you? Eh? Eh?
Goatboy wrote:
They're Karaoke.
Pure and Simple.
Come on, that was funny.
"Pure and Simple"
They're Karaoke.
Pure and Simple.
Come on, that was funny.
"Pure and Simple"
Goatboy wrote:
> Because most of the people on that show couldnt hold a note to
> save their lives.
> Do not go to auditions for singing groups if you
> have not got a single ounce of talent.
I couldn't agree more - a lot of them were embarrassing to watch, and you have to question how many of them did it as a joke or were put up to it by friends. A lot of the early Popstars programs had me squirming in my seat, the people were that bad.
Having said that, though, none of them made it the final group, and at least one - Myleen - is a trained pianist. She plays on their cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water. Hear'Say also wrote at least one of the tracks on their album. (No, I don't own it, before you ask.)
So we know that they *can* do it, but once again, it's likely that they are being generally discouraged/prevented from doing so by the record company.
Of course, we don't know how many of the the members of other groups can also write and/or play, but aren't 'allowed' to because it doesn't fit with (here's that term again) 'the image' of the group.
> The trend right now? If you look at the album chart is
> real music by real bands.
True - but you could almost rename the singles chart as the 'kiddies' chart, and the album chart as the 'adult' chart.
The kids are only really interested in their favourite group getting a number one single, though they do buy the albums too. There seems to be more prestige to a hit single when you're younger. As an example, Phil Collins has had very few number one singles in recent years, yet his albums generally do very well in the charts. I personally always bought singles as a kid; now I rarely do - I'll go for the album instead.
> I just can't understand why they are counted as a "band" or "Musicians".
> They ain't. They're Karaoke.
Yep, I suppose you could put it that way. Personally, I never call them 'musicians' or 'bands' - I call them a 'group'.
> Because most of the people on that show couldnt hold a note to
> save their lives.
> Do not go to auditions for singing groups if you
> have not got a single ounce of talent.
I couldn't agree more - a lot of them were embarrassing to watch, and you have to question how many of them did it as a joke or were put up to it by friends. A lot of the early Popstars programs had me squirming in my seat, the people were that bad.
Having said that, though, none of them made it the final group, and at least one - Myleen - is a trained pianist. She plays on their cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water. Hear'Say also wrote at least one of the tracks on their album. (No, I don't own it, before you ask.)
So we know that they *can* do it, but once again, it's likely that they are being generally discouraged/prevented from doing so by the record company.
Of course, we don't know how many of the the members of other groups can also write and/or play, but aren't 'allowed' to because it doesn't fit with (here's that term again) 'the image' of the group.
> The trend right now? If you look at the album chart is
> real music by real bands.
True - but you could almost rename the singles chart as the 'kiddies' chart, and the album chart as the 'adult' chart.
The kids are only really interested in their favourite group getting a number one single, though they do buy the albums too. There seems to be more prestige to a hit single when you're younger. As an example, Phil Collins has had very few number one singles in recent years, yet his albums generally do very well in the charts. I personally always bought singles as a kid; now I rarely do - I'll go for the album instead.
> I just can't understand why they are counted as a "band" or "Musicians".
> They ain't. They're Karaoke.
Yep, I suppose you could put it that way. Personally, I never call them 'musicians' or 'bands' - I call them a 'group'.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
Exactly my point. So far, you haven't had a major
> breakthrough, despite all your hard work. Scott could have gone
> along to the Popstars auditions, got into the group, and be making
> his money. Would you have begrudged him that? How do you know that
> these teeny-boppers haven't been trying just as hard?
Because most of the people on that show couldnt hold a note to save their lives.
Do not go to auditions for singing groups if you have not got a single ounce of talent.
Just because someone can sing but not write surely doesn't
> make them less worthy than, say, a guitarist who can't sing.
No, but 5 of them is pushing it.
The Tempations, The Staple Singers, The Commodores..all vocal groups that didnt play instruments. But they wrote most of their own songs, but even those they didn't?
They made them their own, they gave total soul and heart.
Watch these "groups", they dont break a sweat ever.
I'm not saying any of these bands should not be listened to, I'm saying that they do not matter.
They won't be around in 5 years time, hell there's one along every 2 weeks.
The trend right now? If you look at the album chart is real music by real bands.
Not Karaoke singers.
People listen to whatever they like, and I havent said that you are wrong for liking (insert pop group name), I'm saying that as someone that plays his heart out whenever possible, it is frustrating and angering to watch some teen group shoot to the top because they look nice and can dance.
It's not jealousy, because if we get anywhere it will be on our own terms and merits.
I just can't understand why they are counted as a "band" or "Musicians".
They ain't.
They're Karaoke.
Pure and Simple.
Exactly my point. So far, you haven't had a major
> breakthrough, despite all your hard work. Scott could have gone
> along to the Popstars auditions, got into the group, and be making
> his money. Would you have begrudged him that? How do you know that
> these teeny-boppers haven't been trying just as hard?
Because most of the people on that show couldnt hold a note to save their lives.
Do not go to auditions for singing groups if you have not got a single ounce of talent.
Just because someone can sing but not write surely doesn't
> make them less worthy than, say, a guitarist who can't sing.
No, but 5 of them is pushing it.
The Tempations, The Staple Singers, The Commodores..all vocal groups that didnt play instruments. But they wrote most of their own songs, but even those they didn't?
They made them their own, they gave total soul and heart.
Watch these "groups", they dont break a sweat ever.
I'm not saying any of these bands should not be listened to, I'm saying that they do not matter.
They won't be around in 5 years time, hell there's one along every 2 weeks.
The trend right now? If you look at the album chart is real music by real bands.
Not Karaoke singers.
People listen to whatever they like, and I havent said that you are wrong for liking (insert pop group name), I'm saying that as someone that plays his heart out whenever possible, it is frustrating and angering to watch some teen group shoot to the top because they look nice and can dance.
It's not jealousy, because if we get anywhere it will be on our own terms and merits.
I just can't understand why they are counted as a "band" or "Musicians".
They ain't.
They're Karaoke.
Pure and Simple.
Goatboy wrote:
> Thousands of people can sing.
> That doesnt mean they should be in a group.
True, but every group needs a singer. Unless they're purely an instrumental group, of course.
It's true that five singers and no musicians may be major over-kill, but at the moment, that's what seems to be 'in'.
> But in regards to Parker, and I can only speak for us, we
> dont just sing in a pub for fun.
As you know, I wasn't suggesting you do. But that can and does happen, and in my view, these 'kids' are more worthy of their position than such groups. They can sing, they've proved it, and they're getting paid for it. I've no problem with that.
> Scott has a fantastic voice, he practices and
> does vocal exercises every single day. YOu dont just stand up and
> sing, otherwise you sound crap.
Exactly my point. So far, you haven't had a major breakthrough, despite all your hard work. Scott could have gone along to the Popstars auditions, got into the group, and be making his money. Would you have begrudged him that? How do you know that these teeny-boppers haven't been trying just as hard? They may have *eventually* got in through a slightly sneaky back-door method, but that doesn't mean they *haven't* worked for it.
> I personally have spent years
> learning to play drums, the effort and stamina it takes to pound
> those things for 50 minutes under burning hot lights.
Utmost respect, my man - again, I'm no expert, but drummer is supposed to be by far the hardest role - you get it wrong, the whole thing falls apart.
> And because they dont write songs.
True, but is that such a big deal? Opera singers are considered by many to be among the greatest singers in the world, but how many of them actually wrote what they're singing? It's still full of passion. (Allegedly - I can't stand opera.)
>Try writing a song.
The nearest I ever got to that was writing poetry. I used to write countless poems for my ex - personally I think they were good, but even that wasn't easy.
As for writing music, well - I wouldn't even attempt it.
Just because someone can sing but not write surely doesn't make them less worthy than, say, a guitarist who can't sing.
> Thousands of people can sing.
> That doesnt mean they should be in a group.
True, but every group needs a singer. Unless they're purely an instrumental group, of course.
It's true that five singers and no musicians may be major over-kill, but at the moment, that's what seems to be 'in'.
> But in regards to Parker, and I can only speak for us, we
> dont just sing in a pub for fun.
As you know, I wasn't suggesting you do. But that can and does happen, and in my view, these 'kids' are more worthy of their position than such groups. They can sing, they've proved it, and they're getting paid for it. I've no problem with that.
> Scott has a fantastic voice, he practices and
> does vocal exercises every single day. YOu dont just stand up and
> sing, otherwise you sound crap.
Exactly my point. So far, you haven't had a major breakthrough, despite all your hard work. Scott could have gone along to the Popstars auditions, got into the group, and be making his money. Would you have begrudged him that? How do you know that these teeny-boppers haven't been trying just as hard? They may have *eventually* got in through a slightly sneaky back-door method, but that doesn't mean they *haven't* worked for it.
> I personally have spent years
> learning to play drums, the effort and stamina it takes to pound
> those things for 50 minutes under burning hot lights.
Utmost respect, my man - again, I'm no expert, but drummer is supposed to be by far the hardest role - you get it wrong, the whole thing falls apart.
> And because they dont write songs.
True, but is that such a big deal? Opera singers are considered by many to be among the greatest singers in the world, but how many of them actually wrote what they're singing? It's still full of passion. (Allegedly - I can't stand opera.)
>Try writing a song.
The nearest I ever got to that was writing poetry. I used to write countless poems for my ex - personally I think they were good, but even that wasn't easy.
As for writing music, well - I wouldn't even attempt it.
Just because someone can sing but not write surely doesn't make them less worthy than, say, a guitarist who can't sing.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
> agree in part, but on the other hand, you could see from the
> auditions that the 'final five' could actually sing. Well, I think
> they have very nice voices, anyway.
Thousands of people can sing.
That doesnt mean they should be in a group.
I'm no expert on how these
> things work, and I mean no offence to you and the members of Parker
> by this, but I would have thought that the sheer number of auditions
> they went to, along with the vocal tests/stresses/training they went
> through, was far more work - and more 'qualifying' - than a band who
> sing in a pub for fun and might get picked/signed on the basis of
> one song that a scout heard and liked.
Kind of.
But in regards to Parker, and I can only speak for us, we dont just sing in a pub for fun.
We work ourselves like you wouldn't believe. Long drives to rehearse, finding studio time off work, getting the money together, making 150 phone calls every week to people, organising, designing and making 600 Cds, all hand posted, taking gigs wherever whenever, organising people.
Scott has a fantastic voice, he practices and does vocal exercises every single day. YOu dont just stand up and sing, otherwise you sound crap.
I personally have spent years learning to play drums, the effort and stamina it takes to pound those things for 50 minutes under burning hot lights.
The guitarists have learn their trade, keep it working, rehearse rehearse rehearse 2 nights a week etc.
I can see what you're saying,and whilst maybe not directed at me and mine, I will say that in this aspect, we work harder than you would believe.
Chris and Scott play in a duo for a living, they gig 5-6 nights a week to pay their bills, all over the country doing exactly what hearsay et al do, sing over click tracks and DATS. They play more often than these pop bands, for less money and no recognition, because music is life for them, and me.
The amount of effort that goes into a band when you start, and especially when you begin to make inroads is more than just turning up at the venue, plugging in and playing.
You may not have been referring to me personally mate (I know you better than that dude!), but I will take anyone to task that suggest Parker sit on their butts waiting for someone to phone them.
Changing the subject slightly, there are plenty of
> great singers appearing in every series of Stars in their Eyes;
Some of
> these people sound exactly like the person they're supposed to be,
> yet the 'real' star got the break, and these people didn't. Why?
> Because they weren't in the right place at the right time.
And because they dont write songs.
So you sound like someone?
Big deal, go work on a cruiseship or Butlins.
Try writing a song.
Please, anyone that doubts it, sit down over the weekend, write out lyrics and a melody.
See how bloody difficult it is to do.
I'm being serious, write a song over the weekend to get an idea of how tough it is.
Then watch me sing "Walk like an Egpytian" and get paid.
Then you'll understand why, personally, I want to shoot each and every one of these people that smile at the camera, sing someone elses words and look pretty.
Anyone can do Karaoke, it's not difficult.
But you try and write the music and words for yourself.
> agree in part, but on the other hand, you could see from the
> auditions that the 'final five' could actually sing. Well, I think
> they have very nice voices, anyway.
Thousands of people can sing.
That doesnt mean they should be in a group.
I'm no expert on how these
> things work, and I mean no offence to you and the members of Parker
> by this, but I would have thought that the sheer number of auditions
> they went to, along with the vocal tests/stresses/training they went
> through, was far more work - and more 'qualifying' - than a band who
> sing in a pub for fun and might get picked/signed on the basis of
> one song that a scout heard and liked.
Kind of.
But in regards to Parker, and I can only speak for us, we dont just sing in a pub for fun.
We work ourselves like you wouldn't believe. Long drives to rehearse, finding studio time off work, getting the money together, making 150 phone calls every week to people, organising, designing and making 600 Cds, all hand posted, taking gigs wherever whenever, organising people.
Scott has a fantastic voice, he practices and does vocal exercises every single day. YOu dont just stand up and sing, otherwise you sound crap.
I personally have spent years learning to play drums, the effort and stamina it takes to pound those things for 50 minutes under burning hot lights.
The guitarists have learn their trade, keep it working, rehearse rehearse rehearse 2 nights a week etc.
I can see what you're saying,and whilst maybe not directed at me and mine, I will say that in this aspect, we work harder than you would believe.
Chris and Scott play in a duo for a living, they gig 5-6 nights a week to pay their bills, all over the country doing exactly what hearsay et al do, sing over click tracks and DATS. They play more often than these pop bands, for less money and no recognition, because music is life for them, and me.
The amount of effort that goes into a band when you start, and especially when you begin to make inroads is more than just turning up at the venue, plugging in and playing.
You may not have been referring to me personally mate (I know you better than that dude!), but I will take anyone to task that suggest Parker sit on their butts waiting for someone to phone them.
Changing the subject slightly, there are plenty of
> great singers appearing in every series of Stars in their Eyes;
Some of
> these people sound exactly like the person they're supposed to be,
> yet the 'real' star got the break, and these people didn't. Why?
> Because they weren't in the right place at the right time.
And because they dont write songs.
So you sound like someone?
Big deal, go work on a cruiseship or Butlins.
Try writing a song.
Please, anyone that doubts it, sit down over the weekend, write out lyrics and a melody.
See how bloody difficult it is to do.
I'm being serious, write a song over the weekend to get an idea of how tough it is.
Then watch me sing "Walk like an Egpytian" and get paid.
Then you'll understand why, personally, I want to shoot each and every one of these people that smile at the camera, sing someone elses words and look pretty.
Anyone can do Karaoke, it's not difficult.
But you try and write the music and words for yourself.
devo wrote:
> Wings Hoser?
Linda McArtney?
> Wings Hoser?
Linda McArtney?
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