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2004 has seen the announcement and will see the unveiling and release of the Nintendo DS. A system that has caused debate on this forum, gamesradar's forums and in fact every gaming forum on the planet... it has also caused much arguments on gaming websites, magazine (all the new ones) and concepts being sprayed left right and centre. A failure or a success?
Or does it really matter?
I said does the success of the DS really matter? Surly when chief advisor and ex-president Yamauchi says Nintendo "will be crushed", we presume Nintendo are trying to sell it as a new craze... a money spinner.
But that isn't EXACTLY what Yamauchi said, he said "Nintendo won't go bankcrupt but they will be crushed". Now lets think about that. For a month we've presumed that Yamauchi is telling us that if DS does badly then Nintendo would be in serious trouble money wide. But is he? What if he means if the idea doesn't appeal to people Nintendo would be crushed. What if he is saying the DS is a massive clue to the future of Nintendo and if the public don't like it then it will seriously damage Nintendo's plans.
Iwati has said a few times he doesn't expect it to sell well... in fact he said he would be happy if just "15 people" clapped the unveiling at E3. Why? Because it won't sell... it won't do too well... but if we all like the idea, are interested in it, the critics and media fall in love with the idea... then Nintendo know they are onto something.
It has slowly come to my attention of a phrase Iwati will not stop sprouting around "It'll give a hint to the next generation of hardware".
What if Nintendo don't care for the sales of the DS? Sure they'd like to make their money back and a bit of profit... which can be attained by appealing to a small userbase. But what if the DS is really a stepping stone, an experiment. Think about it, it uses wireless technology for competeing, it uses 2 screens, perhaps a touch screen, it uses a completley new form of storage medium.... a new system of powering the console.
The DS is a console filled with Nintendo experimenting with hardware.
It may not sell well, it doesn't appeal to the average joe after all. But what if those who own the console, those who discuss on the net or in magazines... describe it as an undiscoverd gem... those who own it find the new hardware ideas just out of this world.
Now lets move onto the N5, Xenon and PS3. Xenon are hyping a faster, better, cooler online system... Sony have an improved online mode, better graphics... larger storage medium. In fact both consoles simply show off their power and strength. What can Nintendo do to beat this?
How about a downloadable storage medium for games? How about wireless technology for everything? How about a screen in built in the controller... the GBA-GC connection "cheap" version... the IQue is a console that fits into a controller after all. And that screen happens tp be touch screen. What if the DS is a stepping stone to the N5, an experimental system to see how well the new ideas go down rather than Nintendo putting their eggs into one basket.
Doesn't sound so silly now does it. The DS is Nintendo's new console of ideas. Iwati repeatidly says that he doesn't expect it to sell well, Yamauchi stated Nintendo won't go bankcrupt. If the ideas don't go down well Nintendo's plans are ruined, they'd be "crushed" as such... but lets be honest here, despite doubting it will sell well we can all agree it is a potentially fantastic idea can't we?
As long as the DS is a hit with those who buy it, it doesn't actually matter. But the DS can of course cause problems. Sure it doesn't matter if it sells well but will it damage the Gameboy? Well no not really, the Gameboy has already sold a massive amount, and if the DS does so well that the Gameboy is damaged what has Nintendo lost exactly? The Gameboy franchise will be re-started a year or so later... undercutting the DS... and either way Nintendo have a successful system.
What about the PSP? Well the DS, one way or another, no matter how you look at it, will do SOMETHING to the PSP. Hardcore gamers buy the DS then they'll probably not get another handheld... odd joe wants a new console... gets a DS... not a PSP. Another sale lost.
And what about the support though? Should Nintendo not be finishing products in time for 2004 rather than messing around with a new system? It is almost certain Pikmin 2's delay is because Shigsy is working on a DS game as well. BUT this has a different effect as described in a previous post... less Nintendo games ( Nintendo games being the main reason why people buy Nintendo consoles) means an increase in exclusive and multi-format third party sales such as James Bond, Harvest Moon, Starfox 2, Killer 7, Harry Potter etc.... This will please the third parties who were previously not selling well on the Gamecube.
And in the long run increase third party support.
Now Tilt and whoever else criticised the idea... NOW are you excited?
Or does it really matter?
I said does the success of the DS really matter? Surly when chief advisor and ex-president Yamauchi says Nintendo "will be crushed", we presume Nintendo are trying to sell it as a new craze... a money spinner.
But that isn't EXACTLY what Yamauchi said, he said "Nintendo won't go bankcrupt but they will be crushed". Now lets think about that. For a month we've presumed that Yamauchi is telling us that if DS does badly then Nintendo would be in serious trouble money wide. But is he? What if he means if the idea doesn't appeal to people Nintendo would be crushed. What if he is saying the DS is a massive clue to the future of Nintendo and if the public don't like it then it will seriously damage Nintendo's plans.
Iwati has said a few times he doesn't expect it to sell well... in fact he said he would be happy if just "15 people" clapped the unveiling at E3. Why? Because it won't sell... it won't do too well... but if we all like the idea, are interested in it, the critics and media fall in love with the idea... then Nintendo know they are onto something.
It has slowly come to my attention of a phrase Iwati will not stop sprouting around "It'll give a hint to the next generation of hardware".
What if Nintendo don't care for the sales of the DS? Sure they'd like to make their money back and a bit of profit... which can be attained by appealing to a small userbase. But what if the DS is really a stepping stone, an experiment. Think about it, it uses wireless technology for competeing, it uses 2 screens, perhaps a touch screen, it uses a completley new form of storage medium.... a new system of powering the console.
The DS is a console filled with Nintendo experimenting with hardware.
It may not sell well, it doesn't appeal to the average joe after all. But what if those who own the console, those who discuss on the net or in magazines... describe it as an undiscoverd gem... those who own it find the new hardware ideas just out of this world.
Now lets move onto the N5, Xenon and PS3. Xenon are hyping a faster, better, cooler online system... Sony have an improved online mode, better graphics... larger storage medium. In fact both consoles simply show off their power and strength. What can Nintendo do to beat this?
How about a downloadable storage medium for games? How about wireless technology for everything? How about a screen in built in the controller... the GBA-GC connection "cheap" version... the IQue is a console that fits into a controller after all. And that screen happens tp be touch screen. What if the DS is a stepping stone to the N5, an experimental system to see how well the new ideas go down rather than Nintendo putting their eggs into one basket.
Doesn't sound so silly now does it. The DS is Nintendo's new console of ideas. Iwati repeatidly says that he doesn't expect it to sell well, Yamauchi stated Nintendo won't go bankcrupt. If the ideas don't go down well Nintendo's plans are ruined, they'd be "crushed" as such... but lets be honest here, despite doubting it will sell well we can all agree it is a potentially fantastic idea can't we?
As long as the DS is a hit with those who buy it, it doesn't actually matter. But the DS can of course cause problems. Sure it doesn't matter if it sells well but will it damage the Gameboy? Well no not really, the Gameboy has already sold a massive amount, and if the DS does so well that the Gameboy is damaged what has Nintendo lost exactly? The Gameboy franchise will be re-started a year or so later... undercutting the DS... and either way Nintendo have a successful system.
What about the PSP? Well the DS, one way or another, no matter how you look at it, will do SOMETHING to the PSP. Hardcore gamers buy the DS then they'll probably not get another handheld... odd joe wants a new console... gets a DS... not a PSP. Another sale lost.
And what about the support though? Should Nintendo not be finishing products in time for 2004 rather than messing around with a new system? It is almost certain Pikmin 2's delay is because Shigsy is working on a DS game as well. BUT this has a different effect as described in a previous post... less Nintendo games ( Nintendo games being the main reason why people buy Nintendo consoles) means an increase in exclusive and multi-format third party sales such as James Bond, Harvest Moon, Starfox 2, Killer 7, Harry Potter etc.... This will please the third parties who were previously not selling well on the Gamecube.
And in the long run increase third party support.
Now Tilt and whoever else criticised the idea... NOW are you excited?
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Messy wrote:
> Do you really want to be able to see stuff on your controller as well
> as on your next console? The DC did it, with their VMU port. The VMU
> port actually doubled up as an on the go gamestation, as some games,
> after saving, imported a little game to it. Sure, this was hardly
> touched, but it's not as though Nintendo are trying something
> completly new and titilating.
I was going to mention the VMU...
The VMU would work in a completely different way, the screen in the controller or perhaps already built on the system would act as a second screen idea for the home console, sure it can hold stats or play some mini-games like the VMU but it can also house the same graphics as the home console version and be used as part of the gameplay.
Crystal Chronicles, Four Swords, Pacman are actually good game ideas... if it wasn't for the need of 4 GBA SP's and 4 link leads I'd go for it (Actually as i have 2 GBA's I am going for it but hey)... they are not bad. These are ideas that are easily possible on the N5 with a second screen in your controller. Imagine how Nintendo feel, they've got these fantastic game ideas but it costs you and I a fortune and Nintendo are struggling to do much about it. The connectivity idea would truly take off.
What about Gig sticks? Maybe Nintendo can use these sticks, which can be downloaded onto via the internet etc... for upgrades... or for playing classic Nintendo games... they'd have to be bigger if they were to be the main storage medium but it's still an intriguing possibility. This would be almost unpiratable... but what about backwards capability? Well Nintendo could release the N5 with a disc tray that plays Gamecube games, CD's, VCD's and DVD's etc... because their games are now on a totally different format... they no longer have to set up complex piracy systems like sony and Microsoft have done due to their multi-format system.
That's just a thought, wireless technology as a standard... touch screen? Could Nintendo be utterly re-developing the structure of home consoles? A second screen in a controller would be far more effective than the VMU concept and could make a massive change to gaming forever. This is what Nintendo means whe they say "We don't need flash graphics" doesn't mean they won't have flash graphics it means that there needs to be MORE than this... and the DS, a console that "gives a hint to the next generation of systems" could be showing us how Nintendo plan to change their direction... re-shape their market. And the virtual boy wasn't like the DS, that was different... it was Nintendo experimenting with hardware yes but it was far more risky that than the idea of duel screens and wireless technology.
Personally I think the DS is no longer a death nail when it comes to sales... I've read enough interviews to know Nintendo aren't concerned too much on sales... the DS could only be a death nail if we don't like the ideas.
And when haven't we not liked a Nintendo idea?
> Do you really want to be able to see stuff on your controller as well
> as on your next console? The DC did it, with their VMU port. The VMU
> port actually doubled up as an on the go gamestation, as some games,
> after saving, imported a little game to it. Sure, this was hardly
> touched, but it's not as though Nintendo are trying something
> completly new and titilating.
I was going to mention the VMU...
The VMU would work in a completely different way, the screen in the controller or perhaps already built on the system would act as a second screen idea for the home console, sure it can hold stats or play some mini-games like the VMU but it can also house the same graphics as the home console version and be used as part of the gameplay.
Crystal Chronicles, Four Swords, Pacman are actually good game ideas... if it wasn't for the need of 4 GBA SP's and 4 link leads I'd go for it (Actually as i have 2 GBA's I am going for it but hey)... they are not bad. These are ideas that are easily possible on the N5 with a second screen in your controller. Imagine how Nintendo feel, they've got these fantastic game ideas but it costs you and I a fortune and Nintendo are struggling to do much about it. The connectivity idea would truly take off.
What about Gig sticks? Maybe Nintendo can use these sticks, which can be downloaded onto via the internet etc... for upgrades... or for playing classic Nintendo games... they'd have to be bigger if they were to be the main storage medium but it's still an intriguing possibility. This would be almost unpiratable... but what about backwards capability? Well Nintendo could release the N5 with a disc tray that plays Gamecube games, CD's, VCD's and DVD's etc... because their games are now on a totally different format... they no longer have to set up complex piracy systems like sony and Microsoft have done due to their multi-format system.
That's just a thought, wireless technology as a standard... touch screen? Could Nintendo be utterly re-developing the structure of home consoles? A second screen in a controller would be far more effective than the VMU concept and could make a massive change to gaming forever. This is what Nintendo means whe they say "We don't need flash graphics" doesn't mean they won't have flash graphics it means that there needs to be MORE than this... and the DS, a console that "gives a hint to the next generation of systems" could be showing us how Nintendo plan to change their direction... re-shape their market. And the virtual boy wasn't like the DS, that was different... it was Nintendo experimenting with hardware yes but it was far more risky that than the idea of duel screens and wireless technology.
Personally I think the DS is no longer a death nail when it comes to sales... I've read enough interviews to know Nintendo aren't concerned too much on sales... the DS could only be a death nail if we don't like the ideas.
And when haven't we not liked a Nintendo idea?
*holds up hand*
Is this a hardware experiment like Virtual Boy?
*is blind*
Is this a hardware experiment like Virtual Boy?
*is blind*
Do you really want to be able to see stuff on your controller as well as on your next console? The DC did it, with their VMU port. The VMU port actually doubled up as an on the go gamestation, as some games, after saving, imported a little game to it. Sure, this was hardly touched, but it's not as though Nintendo are trying something completly new and titilating.
I think the GC has turned into an experiement too. They're trying different approaches and I expect they'll use the one that works best with their next console.
The Xbox is merely an experiment for Microsoft too, they're not out for the number 1 spot, yet, and neither are Nintendo.
Thankfully both companies have enough cash and guts to experiment, unlike a stagnant behemoth which still insists on using a tattered controller design with no real alternatives.
If one or the other can do half as much marketing as Sony, combined with superior gaming/hardware then I think we could see some serious shifting in the market.
Then again, as I always say, people's stupidity still surprises me.
"Mummy mummy I want to play some utter toss because it's been marketed well and I get a free sweetie"
Pfft.
The Xbox is merely an experiment for Microsoft too, they're not out for the number 1 spot, yet, and neither are Nintendo.
Thankfully both companies have enough cash and guts to experiment, unlike a stagnant behemoth which still insists on using a tattered controller design with no real alternatives.
If one or the other can do half as much marketing as Sony, combined with superior gaming/hardware then I think we could see some serious shifting in the market.
Then again, as I always say, people's stupidity still surprises me.
"Mummy mummy I want to play some utter toss because it's been marketed well and I get a free sweetie"
Pfft.
2004 has seen the announcement and will see the unveiling and release of the Nintendo DS. A system that has caused debate on this forum, gamesradar's forums and in fact every gaming forum on the planet... it has also caused much arguments on gaming websites, magazine (all the new ones) and concepts being sprayed left right and centre. A failure or a success?
Or does it really matter?
I said does the success of the DS really matter? Surly when chief advisor and ex-president Yamauchi says Nintendo "will be crushed", we presume Nintendo are trying to sell it as a new craze... a money spinner.
But that isn't EXACTLY what Yamauchi said, he said "Nintendo won't go bankcrupt but they will be crushed". Now lets think about that. For a month we've presumed that Yamauchi is telling us that if DS does badly then Nintendo would be in serious trouble money wide. But is he? What if he means if the idea doesn't appeal to people Nintendo would be crushed. What if he is saying the DS is a massive clue to the future of Nintendo and if the public don't like it then it will seriously damage Nintendo's plans.
Iwati has said a few times he doesn't expect it to sell well... in fact he said he would be happy if just "15 people" clapped the unveiling at E3. Why? Because it won't sell... it won't do too well... but if we all like the idea, are interested in it, the critics and media fall in love with the idea... then Nintendo know they are onto something.
It has slowly come to my attention of a phrase Iwati will not stop sprouting around "It'll give a hint to the next generation of hardware".
What if Nintendo don't care for the sales of the DS? Sure they'd like to make their money back and a bit of profit... which can be attained by appealing to a small userbase. But what if the DS is really a stepping stone, an experiment. Think about it, it uses wireless technology for competeing, it uses 2 screens, perhaps a touch screen, it uses a completley new form of storage medium.... a new system of powering the console.
The DS is a console filled with Nintendo experimenting with hardware.
It may not sell well, it doesn't appeal to the average joe after all. But what if those who own the console, those who discuss on the net or in magazines... describe it as an undiscoverd gem... those who own it find the new hardware ideas just out of this world.
Now lets move onto the N5, Xenon and PS3. Xenon are hyping a faster, better, cooler online system... Sony have an improved online mode, better graphics... larger storage medium. In fact both consoles simply show off their power and strength. What can Nintendo do to beat this?
How about a downloadable storage medium for games? How about wireless technology for everything? How about a screen in built in the controller... the GBA-GC connection "cheap" version... the IQue is a console that fits into a controller after all. And that screen happens tp be touch screen. What if the DS is a stepping stone to the N5, an experimental system to see how well the new ideas go down rather than Nintendo putting their eggs into one basket.
Doesn't sound so silly now does it. The DS is Nintendo's new console of ideas. Iwati repeatidly says that he doesn't expect it to sell well, Yamauchi stated Nintendo won't go bankcrupt. If the ideas don't go down well Nintendo's plans are ruined, they'd be "crushed" as such... but lets be honest here, despite doubting it will sell well we can all agree it is a potentially fantastic idea can't we?
As long as the DS is a hit with those who buy it, it doesn't actually matter. But the DS can of course cause problems. Sure it doesn't matter if it sells well but will it damage the Gameboy? Well no not really, the Gameboy has already sold a massive amount, and if the DS does so well that the Gameboy is damaged what has Nintendo lost exactly? The Gameboy franchise will be re-started a year or so later... undercutting the DS... and either way Nintendo have a successful system.
What about the PSP? Well the DS, one way or another, no matter how you look at it, will do SOMETHING to the PSP. Hardcore gamers buy the DS then they'll probably not get another handheld... odd joe wants a new console... gets a DS... not a PSP. Another sale lost.
And what about the support though? Should Nintendo not be finishing products in time for 2004 rather than messing around with a new system? It is almost certain Pikmin 2's delay is because Shigsy is working on a DS game as well. BUT this has a different effect as described in a previous post... less Nintendo games ( Nintendo games being the main reason why people buy Nintendo consoles) means an increase in exclusive and multi-format third party sales such as James Bond, Harvest Moon, Starfox 2, Killer 7, Harry Potter etc.... This will please the third parties who were previously not selling well on the Gamecube.
And in the long run increase third party support.
Now Tilt and whoever else criticised the idea... NOW are you excited?
Or does it really matter?
I said does the success of the DS really matter? Surly when chief advisor and ex-president Yamauchi says Nintendo "will be crushed", we presume Nintendo are trying to sell it as a new craze... a money spinner.
But that isn't EXACTLY what Yamauchi said, he said "Nintendo won't go bankcrupt but they will be crushed". Now lets think about that. For a month we've presumed that Yamauchi is telling us that if DS does badly then Nintendo would be in serious trouble money wide. But is he? What if he means if the idea doesn't appeal to people Nintendo would be crushed. What if he is saying the DS is a massive clue to the future of Nintendo and if the public don't like it then it will seriously damage Nintendo's plans.
Iwati has said a few times he doesn't expect it to sell well... in fact he said he would be happy if just "15 people" clapped the unveiling at E3. Why? Because it won't sell... it won't do too well... but if we all like the idea, are interested in it, the critics and media fall in love with the idea... then Nintendo know they are onto something.
It has slowly come to my attention of a phrase Iwati will not stop sprouting around "It'll give a hint to the next generation of hardware".
What if Nintendo don't care for the sales of the DS? Sure they'd like to make their money back and a bit of profit... which can be attained by appealing to a small userbase. But what if the DS is really a stepping stone, an experiment. Think about it, it uses wireless technology for competeing, it uses 2 screens, perhaps a touch screen, it uses a completley new form of storage medium.... a new system of powering the console.
The DS is a console filled with Nintendo experimenting with hardware.
It may not sell well, it doesn't appeal to the average joe after all. But what if those who own the console, those who discuss on the net or in magazines... describe it as an undiscoverd gem... those who own it find the new hardware ideas just out of this world.
Now lets move onto the N5, Xenon and PS3. Xenon are hyping a faster, better, cooler online system... Sony have an improved online mode, better graphics... larger storage medium. In fact both consoles simply show off their power and strength. What can Nintendo do to beat this?
How about a downloadable storage medium for games? How about wireless technology for everything? How about a screen in built in the controller... the GBA-GC connection "cheap" version... the IQue is a console that fits into a controller after all. And that screen happens tp be touch screen. What if the DS is a stepping stone to the N5, an experimental system to see how well the new ideas go down rather than Nintendo putting their eggs into one basket.
Doesn't sound so silly now does it. The DS is Nintendo's new console of ideas. Iwati repeatidly says that he doesn't expect it to sell well, Yamauchi stated Nintendo won't go bankcrupt. If the ideas don't go down well Nintendo's plans are ruined, they'd be "crushed" as such... but lets be honest here, despite doubting it will sell well we can all agree it is a potentially fantastic idea can't we?
As long as the DS is a hit with those who buy it, it doesn't actually matter. But the DS can of course cause problems. Sure it doesn't matter if it sells well but will it damage the Gameboy? Well no not really, the Gameboy has already sold a massive amount, and if the DS does so well that the Gameboy is damaged what has Nintendo lost exactly? The Gameboy franchise will be re-started a year or so later... undercutting the DS... and either way Nintendo have a successful system.
What about the PSP? Well the DS, one way or another, no matter how you look at it, will do SOMETHING to the PSP. Hardcore gamers buy the DS then they'll probably not get another handheld... odd joe wants a new console... gets a DS... not a PSP. Another sale lost.
And what about the support though? Should Nintendo not be finishing products in time for 2004 rather than messing around with a new system? It is almost certain Pikmin 2's delay is because Shigsy is working on a DS game as well. BUT this has a different effect as described in a previous post... less Nintendo games ( Nintendo games being the main reason why people buy Nintendo consoles) means an increase in exclusive and multi-format third party sales such as James Bond, Harvest Moon, Starfox 2, Killer 7, Harry Potter etc.... This will please the third parties who were previously not selling well on the Gamecube.
And in the long run increase third party support.
Now Tilt and whoever else criticised the idea... NOW are you excited?
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