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Tue 31/07/01 at 10:39
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Ok, this is not directed at any particular person here (except for the one that complained about C4 shouldn’t have shown this programme and then said they didn’t watch it), this is more of an open rant. Feel free to print it off and distribute to anybody screaming about Brasseye, League of Gentlemen or any other television programme, book or work of art that they find “offensive”.

There are two quotes applicable here:
“When did you ever hear anyone say – This work should be banned because I might be exposed to it and it might be dangerous to me”. Francis Bacon, Artist.

“I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to my death your right to say it” Abraham Lincoln.

You, as an individual, have the ultimate control over things that you find offensive. You can not subject yourself to the offending subject matter.
Turn off the television, stop reading that book, don’t look at that object of art.
You have been blessed with free will and independent intelligence. I beg you, please use it, don’t resort to lynch mob tactics and chasing those you disagree with through the village waving flaming torches.
Ok?

The furore of the previous few days over a simple television show has made me realise just how utterly thoughtless and moronic 80% of this population are.
All it takes is one newspaper to whip something up and the herd start lowing before stampeding. The events of the past few days have been like watching the Pamplona Bull run with crowds hurtling through the street, out of control.
Before this fuss, Chris Morris has been criticised by people, and cleared by the ITC over the last series of Brasseye.
The media was waiting for him, they know his style and the targets he attacks. Morris makes a complete mockery of the news media, and this group huddled in their ivory towers refuse to accept any kind of criticism at all, they are above it all.

So when Morris starts to poke around, they scream and cry “Devil!” so that people don’t bother watching the programme to see the actual content. In a previous series of Brasseye, Morris conned the editor of the Daily Sport, who subsequently printed his mobile and home phone number in revenge for being made to look foolish on television, they encouraged people to phone and harass Morris. This is far more abhorrent than any programme about peodophiles.
And it wasn’t even about that, it was about the way the mass media treat this subject.
Chris Morris is an extremely intelligent man, very very witty and very very clever.
He is able to make something look like one thing, whilst it is actually something completely different. And, at the risk of offending (most ironic considering the subject matter), most people do not understand and take offence at having their lack of intelligence highlighted.

Nobody likes to be made to look stupid, or admit that they didn’t understand something, which is how Morris gets away with what he does.
But you cannot censor and vilify somebody because they present a situation or programme that challenges what you may find acceptable.
This is the point of art, to provoke and inspire a response in people. It may be joy, sadness or even anger, but a reaction other than indifference has to be applauded in an age where apathy reigns supreme.
Robert Mapplethorpe, a US artist went on trial in 1990 for displaying photographs of underage children. They were not pornography, but some felt them obscene and tasteless. Much like the Brasseye storm.
After lengthy trial procedures, Mapplethorpe won and a victory claimed for artistic expression.
Morris does not force you to watch his programmes, it is out of your own free will that you do so.
And by subjecting yourself to his mindset, you may be presented with a view that offends or upsets you.
But that only means the problem lays with you. Nobody seriously believes that C4 would broadcast a pro-child sex programme, and indeed it wasn’t.
But in an age where soap operas pull in up to 18 million viewers daily, a programme that doesn’t attempt to install moral and social values through entertainment will be seen as a threat. TV isn’t supposed to challenge and make you think, it’s there to keep you quiet and pacified between sleep and work.
Morris doesn’t do that, and it upsets you.

I say good. TV is one of the most powerful mediums, and should be used as a tool of thought instead of a wet-nurse for oversized infants that are unable to exercise even the simplest of self-regulatory acts: Turning the damn thing off.

Don’t complain about Brasseye for shocking you, complain about all the other shows for not shaking you up.
For one brief instant, you were engaged and passionate enough to reply. When was the last time you did something like that?
So, I personally thank Chris Morris and C4 for pushing the envelope and allowing art to be exposed to an otherwise complacent nation.
Tue 31/07/01 at 11:46
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"Excommunicated"
Posts: 23,284
Goatboy wrote:
> Thank you for proving my point Dan.

:D
Tue 31/07/01 at 10:58
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Goatboy wrote:
> Thank you for proving my point Dan.

That's ok...
Tue 31/07/01 at 10:56
Regular
"Bored, Bored, Bored"
Posts: 611
Shame that you don't like it, and I quote:

“I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to my death your right to say it” Abraham Lincoln.


That's the point.
Tue 31/07/01 at 10:54
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"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Thank you for proving my point Dan.
Tue 31/07/01 at 10:48
Posts: 0
The League Of gentlemen is the most unfunny thing I have had the misfortune of watching
Tue 31/07/01 at 10:39
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Ok, this is not directed at any particular person here (except for the one that complained about C4 shouldn’t have shown this programme and then said they didn’t watch it), this is more of an open rant. Feel free to print it off and distribute to anybody screaming about Brasseye, League of Gentlemen or any other television programme, book or work of art that they find “offensive”.

There are two quotes applicable here:
“When did you ever hear anyone say – This work should be banned because I might be exposed to it and it might be dangerous to me”. Francis Bacon, Artist.

“I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to my death your right to say it” Abraham Lincoln.

You, as an individual, have the ultimate control over things that you find offensive. You can not subject yourself to the offending subject matter.
Turn off the television, stop reading that book, don’t look at that object of art.
You have been blessed with free will and independent intelligence. I beg you, please use it, don’t resort to lynch mob tactics and chasing those you disagree with through the village waving flaming torches.
Ok?

The furore of the previous few days over a simple television show has made me realise just how utterly thoughtless and moronic 80% of this population are.
All it takes is one newspaper to whip something up and the herd start lowing before stampeding. The events of the past few days have been like watching the Pamplona Bull run with crowds hurtling through the street, out of control.
Before this fuss, Chris Morris has been criticised by people, and cleared by the ITC over the last series of Brasseye.
The media was waiting for him, they know his style and the targets he attacks. Morris makes a complete mockery of the news media, and this group huddled in their ivory towers refuse to accept any kind of criticism at all, they are above it all.

So when Morris starts to poke around, they scream and cry “Devil!” so that people don’t bother watching the programme to see the actual content. In a previous series of Brasseye, Morris conned the editor of the Daily Sport, who subsequently printed his mobile and home phone number in revenge for being made to look foolish on television, they encouraged people to phone and harass Morris. This is far more abhorrent than any programme about peodophiles.
And it wasn’t even about that, it was about the way the mass media treat this subject.
Chris Morris is an extremely intelligent man, very very witty and very very clever.
He is able to make something look like one thing, whilst it is actually something completely different. And, at the risk of offending (most ironic considering the subject matter), most people do not understand and take offence at having their lack of intelligence highlighted.

Nobody likes to be made to look stupid, or admit that they didn’t understand something, which is how Morris gets away with what he does.
But you cannot censor and vilify somebody because they present a situation or programme that challenges what you may find acceptable.
This is the point of art, to provoke and inspire a response in people. It may be joy, sadness or even anger, but a reaction other than indifference has to be applauded in an age where apathy reigns supreme.
Robert Mapplethorpe, a US artist went on trial in 1990 for displaying photographs of underage children. They were not pornography, but some felt them obscene and tasteless. Much like the Brasseye storm.
After lengthy trial procedures, Mapplethorpe won and a victory claimed for artistic expression.
Morris does not force you to watch his programmes, it is out of your own free will that you do so.
And by subjecting yourself to his mindset, you may be presented with a view that offends or upsets you.
But that only means the problem lays with you. Nobody seriously believes that C4 would broadcast a pro-child sex programme, and indeed it wasn’t.
But in an age where soap operas pull in up to 18 million viewers daily, a programme that doesn’t attempt to install moral and social values through entertainment will be seen as a threat. TV isn’t supposed to challenge and make you think, it’s there to keep you quiet and pacified between sleep and work.
Morris doesn’t do that, and it upsets you.

I say good. TV is one of the most powerful mediums, and should be used as a tool of thought instead of a wet-nurse for oversized infants that are unable to exercise even the simplest of self-regulatory acts: Turning the damn thing off.

Don’t complain about Brasseye for shocking you, complain about all the other shows for not shaking you up.
For one brief instant, you were engaged and passionate enough to reply. When was the last time you did something like that?
So, I personally thank Chris Morris and C4 for pushing the envelope and allowing art to be exposed to an otherwise complacent nation.

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