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"why nintendo should just give up!!"

This is not meant as a big offenisve remark to people who really love nintendo and the nintendo company but i feel that it is about time that they should give up on the larger game console market. Throughout the years nintendo have always been second best to some other game consoles(that you must all admit), first it was that the master system and the megadrive which clearly overtook the market from nintendo. Now we have the playstation and PS2 and do nintendo seriously think that the Game Cube will be able to stand up against the PS2, in my own opinion the PS2 should outsell the game cube my popularity alone, and games made for it (eg Gran Turismo 3) Could sell the console by themselves. This, compared to the cutsie, sickening twaddle(Mario, Kurby etc...)that has been presented to the world by Nintendo and their associates, will once again send Nintendo's Game Cube scuttling back to it's creators all bloodied and bashed in the same way that the Playstaion duffed up the "more advanced" N64. Every time i walk into my city centre "GAME" shop there is always someone trading in a nintendo64 for a playstation or PS2, never the other way around. I have seen what the nintendo64 could do and to be honest i was not impressed, the graphics were shoddy and blured and the games are still on cartridges!!! aren't nintendo going to learn that cartridges were years ago and gamers have moved onto discs, will the game cube be still on cartridge. I do admit that the gameboy has been very successfull, luckly for nintendo, but look at the new gameboy advance. The technolgy that is being here was being used in the early 90's by sega's game gear (remember that?) and the graphics were still better then as they didn't use a dot matrix screen and it could double as a portable TV, plus the new gameboy advance does strangly look like the poor old game gear.

Turbonutter wrote:
> It's not hard, just different.

I don't know where you lot got
> this idea, but I'm willing to bet NOM have been spreading lies
> again.

NOM go on about Pokemon thats it, Developers dont like the PS2 and Sony have only started lending a hand.

Nitnendo's is easy and Nitnendo is helping Capcom and Namco and THQ with it as well as giving out several sets of development tools.

No ive read in tons of magazines that its a lot harder to make games for the PS2. Thats why GT3 is really the first game to show the PS2s actual power. GT3 was basically a case of Sony showing off what the PS2 can do, but the fact is that 3rd party manufacturers dont have the time that sony put into GT3 to make there games so mosyt the games released for PS2 wont use half of the the PS2s hardware capabilities.

Dringo, the Sony Studios have expert knowledge on tap, and that's why games such as GT3, Formula One 2001 and The Getaway are so amazingly good.

It's not hard, just different.

I don't know where you lot got this idea, but I'm willing to bet NOM have been spreading lies again.

Turbonutter wrote:
> Well, I'll tell you this for nothing:

Sony are a damn sight more
> helpful when it comes to developing games. The N64 was a nightmare
> and Nintendo didn't help much. Sony try to provide as much
> information as possible to their 3rd party developers and they
> create loads of middleware and libraries.

Indeed but lets ignore 3rd party, Nintendo and Rare could work on it very well as they knew how and that is why their games rule.

3rd party developers might not be able to get that much out of the 64 compared with the Playstation but if Sony made games other than the 2nd partys then they will be able to do more with it as they know how to use their own console.

Or do they?

the situation has reversed now though. the Gamecube has become much easier to develop for whereas the PS2 has gone the other direction.

You said Rare twice.

Well, I'll tell you this for nothing:

Sony are a damn sight more helpful when it comes to developing games. The N64 was a nightmare and Nintendo didn't help much. Sony try to provide as much information as possible to their 3rd party developers and they create loads of middleware and libraries.

Turbonutter wrote:
> GODDAMNIT! Sony do make their own games. They own at least 5
> software development houses!

Also, could you give a reason why
> the GameCube will be far better than the PS2?

Nintendo own HAL, Silicon knights, Rare, Retero Studio's, Camelot, Rare and Left field.

These are called second party games.

Sony do have second party as you quite rightly pointed out but not first party AKA Nintendo.

Didn't Sony amke that Fireworks game?

Nintendo's unique and special games are helped for 1 reason, they design the hardware they design their games on.

Without them deciding what the console needs inorder to make their games their games won't be as good.

If Nintendo become 3rd party their games will suffer and well...

so will the industry.

Come on bring it on Dringo is ready to back up Nitnendo in his very first forum once again!